Slam finals and semifinals between ATGs

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H2h between ATGs of the Open Era in slam finals and semifinals:

(federer, nadal, djokovic, agassi, sampras, becker, edberg, wilander, connors, mcenroe, lendl, borg)


Most matches played:

Federer 27
Connors, Lendl, Djokovic 25
McEnroe 24
Nadal 23
Edberg 18
Agassi 17
Becker 16
Wilander 15
Borg 13
Sampras 11


Highest winning percentage:

Nadal 17-6 (73.9%)
Sampras 7-4 (63.6%)
Edberg 11-7 (61.1%)
Wilander 9-6 (60%)
Borg 7-6 (53.8%)
McEnroe 12-12 (50%)
Djokovic 12-13 (48%)
Lendl 11-14 (44%)
Becker 7-9 (43.75%)
Connors 9-14 (39.1%)
Agassi 6-11 (35.3%)
Federer 9-18 (33.3%)
 
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JackGates

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So, Federer is not even top 10 player of all time? See, this is why everyone here laughs at you. Becker greater than Federer? LOL. Thanks for this thread, this made my day.
 
Raining hopes

Raining hopes

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Yay Lew's daily attempt at exposing Federer as a Fraud.


The man who made 8 or more slam finals straight twice(2005 WB-2008AO) and (2008 FO to 2010 Ao) having a record of 8-3 and 8-1 off clay(one was a SF loss to AO GOAT)in slams won in first period is actually the worst all time great ever.That 8 slams won is equal to the total of Andre,Lendl,more than Becker and Edberg and McEnroe.

GOAT?More like WOAT.


No?
 
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TheAssassin

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Can't lose to other ATG in the final or semifinal if you lose to a journeyman in the first week, no?

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merlinpinpin

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Still the same rubbish: Federer would have been better had he let his opponents win more. Duh. The fact that he never let anyone from his generation become an ATG skews the stats nicely, though.

And gotta love the fact that you arbitrarily make the "cut" at semis, just because you know that's the most detrimental to him, lol.
 
Backspin1183

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Lew said:
H2h between ATGs of the Open Era in slam finals and semifinals:

(federer, nadal, djokovic, agassi, sampras, becker, edberg, wilander, connors, mcenroe, lendl, borg)


Most matches played:

Federer 27
Connors, Lendl, Djokovic 25
McEnroe 24
Nadal 23
Agassi 17
Becker 16
Wilander 15
Borg 13
Edberg, Sampras 11


Highest winning percentage:

Nadal 17-6 (73.9%)
Edberg 8-3 (72.7%)
Sampras 7-4 (63.6%)
Wilander 9-6 (60%)
Borg 7-6 (53.8%)
McEnroe 12-12 (50%)
Djokovic 12-13 (48%)
Lendl 11-14 (44%)
Becker 7-9 (43.75%)
Connors 9-14 (39.1%)
Agassi 6-11 (35.3%)
Federer 9-18 (33.3%)
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No Murray? Your list is incomplete without him. Please edit the OP and include Murray.
 
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Backspin1183 said:
No Murray? Your list is incomplete without him. Please edit the OP and include Murray.
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Then he would also have to include Agassi, Sampras and Wawrinka. And of course if Murray counts, Safin and Hewitt also should count.
And Roddick at least on grass should count. He was 32-0 Versus the field in his peak years on grass, 0-3 versus Federer.
 
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JackGates said:
He dealt with them pretty poorly if he doesn't have 20 majors. Wawrinka, Murray and Cilic probably took like 6 majors from Nole, so he didn't "deal" with them so well.
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Exactly, but they were much tougher competition than what Federer dealt with in 2004-2007. If you put those players into that period Federer would have only won 6 majors. So Nole had it tougher.
 
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tennis_pro

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In how many of those was Federer 29+ years old?

14 out of 27 = more than 50%

Before that he won 80% of his Slam matches vs Djokovic (all but one of them in straight sets)
And faced Nadal 4 times on Nadal's best surface, 3 times on Nadal's 2nd best surface and once on Nadal's 3rd best surface so totally fair.

For Djokovic - 0 after his 29th birthday so far
For Nadal - 1 after his 29th birthday so far

Can't lose to an ATG in a SF/F when you suck past your prime, no?
 
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Lew said:
H2h between ATGs of the Open Era in slam finals and semifinals:

(federer, nadal, djokovic, agassi, sampras, becker, edberg, wilander, connors, mcenroe, lendl, borg)


Most matches played:

Federer 27
Connors, Lendl, Djokovic 25
McEnroe 24
Nadal 23
Agassi 17
Becker 16
Wilander 15
Borg 13
Edberg, Sampras 11


Highest winning percentage:

Nadal 17-6 (73.9%)
Edberg 8-3 (72.7%)
Sampras 7-4 (63.6%)
Wilander 9-6 (60%)
Borg 7-6 (53.8%)
McEnroe 12-12 (50%)
Djokovic 12-13 (48%)
Lendl 11-14 (44%)
Becker 7-9 (43.75%)
Connors 9-14 (39.1%)
Agassi 6-11 (35.3%)
Federer 9-18 (33.3%)
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It's a staggering data without doubt. Not surprised at all, but still, Federer's inferiority against his biggest rivals is immense...;)
 
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zagor said:
What Sabratha said, he also got destroyed in straights in two USO finals (in front of his home crowd) by a pair of weak era clowns.
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Yeah, I remember how the press was saying how they are the future and the next greats. But then just because Fed destroyed them, they are now considered weak?
Fed makes everyone look weak lol, that's why he is the goat and people don't get it. He was nr.1 against his 3 younger rivals who are closer to their primes, do people think that is easy? But just because Fed made it look easy, he humiliated them, somehow it's weak era again.
 
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ATGs beaten in final or semifinal for every slam title:

McEnroe 1.7
Lendl 1.4
Edberg 1.3
Wilander 1.3
Becker 1.2
Connors 1.1
Nadal, Djokovic 1
Agassi 0.75
Borg 0.64
Sampras 0.5
Federer 0.45
 
Sudacafan

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Lew said:
H2h between ATGs of the Open Era in slam finals and semifinals:

(federer, nadal, djokovic, agassi, sampras, becker, edberg, wilander, connors, mcenroe, lendl, borg)


Most matches played:

Federer 27
Connors, Lendl, Djokovic 25
McEnroe 24
Nadal 23
Agassi 17
Becker 16
Wilander 15
Borg 13
Edberg, Sampras 11


Highest winning percentage:

Nadal 17-6 (73.9%)
Edberg 8-3 (72.7%)
Sampras 7-4 (63.6%)
Wilander 9-6 (60%)
Borg 7-6 (53.8%)
McEnroe 12-12 (50%)
Djokovic 12-13 (48%)
Lendl 11-14 (44%)
Becker 7-9 (43.75%)
Connors 9-14 (39.1%)
Agassi 6-11 (35.3%)
Federer 9-18 (33.3%)
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The resourcefulness of some posters to make Federer appear as an undeserving GOAT never ceases to amaze me.
 
NatF

NatF

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Russeljones said:
At what point do they become ATGs? Federer's final loss at the 2008 AO was against an up-and-coming player, certainly not an ATG at that moment in time. Same counts for first couple of losses to Nadal.

This is a troll thread, to be sure.
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The real question is how relevant is being an ATG when things like surface and level of play on the day are taken into account.
 
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Tiki-Taka said:
Lew's baiting aside, 80s did have excellent depth at the top. Great tennis era.
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I disagree that more champions = more depth. It could be just lack of goat playing to dominate them. In other words, they could be equally average all of them.
You can't prove the other way. Maybe if peak Fed was there, he would reduce Mac to 3 majors for example.
 
Raining hopes

Raining hopes

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I don't know any stats, all I know that I was more scared of Fernando in 2007 AO than most of Fred's finals.Fernando may not have been a ATG,he was monster in the event.You don't need to be an ATG to play tennis at ATG level for short period of time.
 
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NatF said:
The real question is how relevant is being an ATG when things like surface and level of play on the day are taken into account.
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Exactly. Sometimes on fire opponent like Roddick or Gonzo with nothing to lose are tougher than for example Wawrinka playing subpar level and also choking.
 
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Raining hopes said:
I don't know any stats, all I know that I was more scared Fernando in 2007 AO than most of Fred's finals.Fernando may not have been a ATG,he was monster in the event.You don't need to be to play tennis at ATG level for short period of time.
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I agree, a lot of times unknown opponents with unique games who are on fire are even tougher. Rafa was used to playing Federer already, so it could be easier for him.
I think someone like peak Roddick on grass would be tougher for Djokovic than 33 year old Federer.
 
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