Slam score against non-Big4

[Lew II]

Slam score against non-Big4 (players born since 1980)

1) Del Potro 93-19 (83.0%)
2) Tsonga 116-28 (80.6%)
3) Raonic 86-22 (79.6%)
4) Roddick 128-34 (79.0%)
5) Cilic 119-32 (78.8%)
6) Nishikori 93-25 (78.8%)
7) Wawrinka 139-39 (78.1%)
8) Berdych 140-42 (76.9%)
9) Thiem 57-18 (76.0%)
10) Hewitt 145-48 (75.1%)
11) Ferrer 142-49 (74.3%)
12) Monfils 109-38 (74.1%)
13) Ancic 41-15 (73.2%)
14) Safin 92-34 (73.0%)
15) Nalbandian 83-31 (72.8%)
16) Bautista Agut 56-21 (72.7%)
17) Gasquet 106-41 (72.1%)
18) Ferrero 98-40 (71.0%)
19) Goffin 54-23 (70.1%)
20) Soderling 49-21 (70.0%)

 

[Lew II]

7 of the top8 were born from 1985 to 1990, the same years as Nadal, Djokovic and Murray. What a gen

 

[aman92]

Strongest era in the history of men's professional tennis

 

[Oceans]

Raonic > Roddick and Nishikori > Hewitt. Not LostGen, more like UnluckyGen.

 

[beard]

Slam score against non-Big4 (players born since 1980)

1) Del Potro 93-19 (83.0%)
2) Tsonga 116-28 (80.6%)
3) Raonic 86-22 (79.6%)
4) Roddick 128-34 (79.0%)
5) Cilic 119-32 (78.8%)
6) Nishikori 93-25 (78.8%)
7) Wawrinka 139-39 (78.1%)
8) Berdych 140-42 (76.9%)
9) Thiem 57-18 (76.0%)
10) Hewitt 145-48 (75.1%)
11) Ferrer 142-49 (74.3%)
12) Monfils 109-38 (74.1%)
13) Ancic 41-15 (73.2%)
14) Safin 92-34 (73.0%)
15) Nalbandian 83-31 (72.8%)
16) Bautista Agut 56-21 (72.7%)
17) Gasquet 106-41 (72.1%)
18) Ferrero 98-40 (71.0%)
19) Goffin 54-23 (70.1%)
20) Soderling 49-21 (70.0%)

Rao is Federer him self for Rod, Tsonga is Nadal for Safin, and Cilic is Djokovic for Nalbandian...Laughable

When I hear RodDick, Ancic, Nalbandian, Gonzales, Safin... as great competition it makes me

 

[Nadal_Django]

7 of the top8 were born from 1985 to 1990, the same years as Nadal, Djokovic and Murray. What a gen

Naah. Weak era. Hewitt, Roddick, Blake and Robredo were better.

 

[tennisaddict]

Guys like Raonic ,Nishikori who cannot even wins piddly Masters or for that matter handful of 500’s outside of DC are top of the list ... LMAO

Why are we discussing tennis ? New York is averaging 800 deaths every day

 

[NoleFam]

This supports my view that Del Potro is the most talented player outside the big 4 in the past generation and underachieved quite a bit, mostly due to injuries.

 

[MasterZeb]

 

[junior74]

Strongest era in the history of men's professional tennis

What era are you referring to?

 

[NatF]

Look at all these 80's and 90's era mugs, most barely level with Del Potro and Tsonga - what mugs.

Sampras: 203-37 (85%)
Lendl: 222-49 (82%)
Agassi: 223-49 (82%)
Becker: 163-40 (80%)
Edberg: 178-47 (79%)
Courier: 118-38 (76%)
Chang: 120-53 (69%)
Ivanisevic: 110-50 (69%)

 

[Poisoned Slice]

Del Potro goat.

 

[Lew II]

Look at all these 80's and 90's era mugs, most barely level with Del Potro and Tsonga - what mugs.

Sampras: 203-37 (85%)
Lendl: 222-49 (82%)
Agassi: 223-49 (82%)
Becker: 163-40 (80%)
Edberg: 178-47 (79%)
Courier: 118-38 (76%)
Chang: 120-53 (69%)
Ivanisevic: 110-50 (69%)

They won many more matches than Del Potro and Tsonga.

 

[KINGROGER]

Great stats. No doubt 2007-2012 is the greatest era of all time. Shame the tour fell off a cliff in the following years.

 

[NatF]

They all won many more matches than Del Potro and Tsonga.

The likes of Hewitt, Ferrer and Roddick are relatively as close to the likes of Edberg and Becker as they are to Del Potro, Raonic etc...

 

[Lew II]

The likes of Hewitt, Ferrer and Roddick are relatively as close to the likes of Edberg and Becker as they are to Del Potro, Raonic etc...

Yes, they won more matches than them.

 

[beard]

Guys like Raonic ,Nishikori who cannot even wins piddly Masters or for that matter handful of 500’s outside of DC are top of the list ... LMAO

Why are we discussing tennis ? New York is averaging 800 deaths every day

Poor guys are doing good, look at stats, but are unlucky to play in strong era

 

[NatF]

Yes, they won more matches than them.

What does winning more matches mean? You seemed to only care about the percentage in the OP.

Are Tsonga, Cilic, Nishikori, Del Potro and Raonic better players than Courier? Is Gasquet better than Chang? Etc...

 

[beard]

Look at all these 80's and 90's era mugs, most barely level with Del Potro and Tsonga - what mugs.

Sampras: 203-37 (85%)
Lendl: 222-49 (82%)
Agassi: 223-49 (82%)
Becker: 163-40 (80%)
Edberg: 178-47 (79%)
Courier: 118-38 (76%)
Chang: 120-53 (69%)
Ivanisevic: 110-50 (69%)

Yes, another prove that Delpo, RaoRao and few other from the list are unlucky to play in strong era... In usual era they would have few slams themselves...

 

[Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil]

MILOS above Roddick. People didn't want to believe me when I said that but the truth is starting to come out.

"Anyways, this is not the time to discuss tennis"

 

[NatF]

Yes, another prove that Delpo, RaoRao and few other from the list are unlucky to play in strong era... In usual era they would have few slams themselves...

I think your logic is crap but at least you're consistent

 

[Lew II]

What does winning more matches mean? You seemed to only care about the percentage in the OP.

Are Tsonga, Cilic, Nishikori, Del Potro and Raonic better players than Courier? Is Gasquet better than Chang? Etc...

Sampras, Lendl, Agassi, Edberg, Becker, Courier dealt with other ATGs.

The ATGs of the 2000s are the Big4 instead.

 

[tennis_pro]

Naah. Weak era. Hewitt, Roddick, Blake and Robredo were better.

Especially Blake who was 3-0 against Nadal yeah

 

[Lew II]

MILOS above Roddick. People didn't want to believe me when I said that but the truth is starting to come out.

"Anyways, this is not the time to discuss tennis"

Raonic will win a Slam eventually. He owns the next gens in slams.

2-0 vs Zverev
1-0 vs Tsitsipas
3-1 vs Kyrgios
1-0 vs Garin
1-0 vs Opelka
1-0 vs McDonald

Total score against players born since 1995 --> 9-1

 

[NatF]

Sampras, Lendl, Agassi, Edberg, Becker, Courier dealt with other ATGs.

The ATGs of the 2000s are the Big4 instead.

They were only ATG's because secondary players like Chang and Ivanisevic were so poor - a guy with a lower win/loss than Gasquet was Pete's biggest competition at Wimbledon...

 

[Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil]

Raonic will win a Slam eventually. He owns the next gens in slams.

2-0 vs Zverev
1-0 vs Tsitsipas
3-1 vs Kyrgios
1-0 vs Garin
1-0 vs Opelka

Given the Next Gens' returns of serve you never know if someone could bot his way to a Slam in the future. Unfortunately Raonic is about to turn 30 and has been injury prone for a while.

 

[Lew II]

Raonic will win a Slam eventually. He owns the next gens in slams.

2-0 vs Zverev
1-0 vs Tsitsipas
3-1 vs Kyrgios
1-0 vs Garin
1-0 vs Opelka
1-0 vs McDonald

Total score against players born since 1995 --> 9-1

Nishikori owns them too --> 10-1 against born since 1995

He never played Zverev or Tsitsipas though.

 

[PeoplesChamp]

In the legendary year of 2015, the leader of our list Juan Martin Del Potro did not play a grand slam match and went 2-2 for the season. The other tennis Titan so revered in this thread being Milos Raonic, played a total of 11 GS slam matches in 2015 with losses to Djoko fan favorite Kyrgios and Deliciano Lopez...

 

[metsman]

Wow that last totally changes my opinion on RaoMUG ROFLMAO

 

[Lew II]

Wow that last totally changes my opinion on RaoMUG ROFLMAO

In this era Roddick, Hewitt, Safin, Ferrero would be just as mug.

 

[weakera]

In this era Roddick, Hewitt, Safin, Ferrero would be just as mug.

They would be worse.

 

[KINGROGER]

In this era Roddick, Hewitt, Safin, Ferrero would be just as mug.

In this pathetic era Roddick would be a Wimbledon champion.

 

[beard]

I think your logic is crap but at least you're consistent

I think your logic is crap, too bad you are consistent

 

[RelentlessAttack]

This supports my view that Del Potro is the most talented player outside the big 4 in the past generation and underachieved quite a bit, mostly due to injuries.

Would have been a lesser ATG without injuries

 

[NatF]

I think your logic is crap, too bad you are consistent

You don't know it but this is actually a compliment.

 

[daggerman]

In this pathetic era Roddick would be a Wimbledon champion.

Because clearly slowing down the grass at Wimbledon would be a boon to Roddick's playing style

 

[The Guru]

In this pathetic era Roddick would be a Wimbledon champion.

The 2019 final was pretty much a mugfest. It was an epic match for the stakes and drama but the quality was pretty bad after the 1st set. I'd favor peak Roddick over that Djokovic for sure especially considering ARod returned Fed's serve in 04 about as well as Djoko did. So the serve-return gap (which is what matters most on grass) is pretty big. Any reasonable Djoko fan would concede that A-Rod's peak is better than Djoko's W 19 which is probably Djokovic's worst slam. However, outside of 2019 I don't see him winning any other Wimbledon's. Maybe if he played his best level he could snatch W 17. I think Murray beats him in W 16 based on match up more than level. Murray owns serve bots.

 

[Lew II]

The 2019 final was pretty much a mugfest. It was an epic match for the stakes and drama but the quality was pretty bad after the 1st set. I'd favor peak Roddick over that Djokovic for sure especially considering ARod returned Fed's serve in 04 about as well as Djoko did. So the serve-return gap (which is what matters most on grass) is pretty big. Any reasonable Djoko fan would concede that A-Rod's peak is better than Djoko's W 19 which is probably Djokovic's worst slam. However, outside of 2019 I don't see him winning any other Wimbledon's. Maybe if he played his best level he could snatch W 17. I think Murray beats him in W 16 based on match up more than level. Murray owns serve bots.

Nole-Roger at Wimbledon --> 3-1
Roddick-Roger at Wimbledon --> 0-4

Facts.

 

[MeatTornado]

In this era Roddick, Hewitt, Safin, Ferrero would be just as mug.

No they would be incredible because as we all know, the level of play goes up every year.

If they had the training and knowhow of today, they'd be unstoppable

 

[Lew II]

Least 1st/2nd round exits (players in OP list):

Raonic 7/32 (21.9%)
Tsonga 10/45 (22.2%)
Nishikori 11/39 (28.2%)
Roddick 13/46 (28.3%)
Cilic 15/49 (30.6%)
Monfils 17/52 (32.7%)
Ferrer 21/63 (33.3%)
Nalbandian 12/36 (33.3%)
Ancic 7/21 (33.3%)
Wawrinka 20/59 (33.9%)
Berdych 21/61 (34.4%)
Bautista Agut 10/29 (34.5%)
Del Potro 13/37 (35.1%)
Soderling 11/31 (35.5%)
Goffin 11/30 (36.7%)
Ferrero 18/46 (39.1%)
Hewitt 26/66 (39.4%)
Gasquet 24/59 (40.7%)
Safin 18/41 (43.9%)
Thiem 11/25 (44.0%)

 

[Lew II]

Least 1st/2nd round exits (players in OP list):

Raonic 7/32 (21.9%)
Tsonga 10/45 (22.2%)
Roddick 13/46 (28.3%)
Nishikori 11/39 (28.2%)
Cilic 15/49 (30.6%)
Monfils 17/52 (32.7%)
Ferrer 21/63 (33.3%)
Nalbandian 12/36 (33.3%)
Ancic 7/21 (33.3%)
Wawrinka 20/59 (33.9%)
Berdych 21/61 (34.4%)
Bautista Agut 10/29 (34.5%)
Del Potro 13/37 (35.1%)
Soderling 11/31 (35.5%)
Goffin 11/30 (36.7%)
Ferrero 18/46 (39.1%)
Hewitt 26/66 (39.4%)
Gasquet 24/59 (40.7%)
Safin 18/41 (43.9%)
Thiem 11/25 (44.0%)

In case anyone wants to know:

Djokovic 5/60 (8.3%)
Federer 7/79 (8.9%)
Nadal 7/59 (11.9%)
Murray 6/48 (12.5%)

 

[PeoplesChamp]

Least 1st/2nd round exits (players in OP list):

Raonic 7/32 (21.9%)
Tsonga 10/45 (22.2%)
Roddick 13/46 (28.3%)
Nishikori 11/39 (28.2%)
Cilic 15/49 (30.6%)
Monfils 17/52 (32.7%)
Ferrer 21/63 (33.3%)
Nalbandian 12/36 (33.3%)
Ancic 7/21 (33.3%)
Wawrinka 20/59 (33.9%)
Berdych 21/61 (34.4%)
Bautista Agut 10/29 (34.5%)
Del Potro 13/37 (35.1%)
Soderling 11/31 (35.5%)
Goffin 11/30 (36.7%)
Ferrero 18/46 (39.1%)
Hewitt 26/66 (39.4%)
Gasquet 24/59 (40.7%)
Safin 18/41 (43.9%)
Thiem 11/25 (44.0%)

 

[Lew II]

Raomug is actually the best at... beating mugs

 

[Lew II]

Three players that averaged more early exits than Goffin and Bautista Agut won 5 slams and were all #1