Slams won before hitting 30

Rosstour

Rosstour

G.O.A.T.
dking68 said:
Doubt it
Click to expand...

He could easily win a few more if draws fall apart. Like imagine Casper Ruud or TPas or De Minaur in a Wimbledon final w/Djoko on the other side of the net.

He just beat Alcaraz at AO so I'm thinking that match for match, there are only 1-2 players at any tournament that he just couldn't beat.
 
M

messiahrobins

Legend
GrassMasters said:
Federer(oldest)-Nadal(second oldest)-Djokovic(youngest)
16-14-12

Over career
20-22-24

After 30
4-8-12

hmmmmm.......:unsure:

Anyway nice symmetry.
Click to expand...
The best comparator of the Big 3 is 2007-2014 as thats when they were top 3 all the time basically. Not sure what the score was overall titles wise but at slams it was
Federer: 8 (aged 25-32)
Nadal: 11 (aged 20-27)
Djokovic: 7 ( aged 19-26)

Everyone has their own criterias but for me, at Slam level Nadal was the greatest of the 3 unquestionably with Federer slightly ahead of Novak.

What is interesting is Alcaraz at 21 already has 4 Majors. Sinner is 23 with 3. Sinner seems possibly on the Djokovic trajectory and Alcaraz the Nadal trajectory. Unless a third ATG emerges those two will almost certainly surpass the slam count of the Big 3.
 
M

messiahrobins

Legend
Hitman said:
I think I need to make things clear here.

I am not ruling him out completely from winning one more slam.

I hope that clears that up for you.
Click to expand...
Novak needs to win a title in the next couple of months to have a chance at a slam. His aura is fading with so many early defeats and as there more players who havent the baggage of playing him much like the Zverevs and Medvedevs. This new generation hit the ball so hard now and for an older guy thats going to be a problem as obviously any player late 30s wont have the athleticism of younger guys and if they cannot match the power coming at them it spells problems.
The game has changed so much the last year or so.
 
M

messiahrobins

Legend
duaneeo said:
Since the 1970s, no player after hitting 30 won more than 2 slams. But since 2017, players after hitting 30 won 3-8-12 slams.
Click to expand...
What i find interesting is that the New Gen (Fonseca Musetti Alcaraz Sinner Draper) seem to suggest very subtly that Federer was the greatest. That is fascinating to me given at their ages i would think Nadal and Djokovic were there heroes. I wonder if your post explains why they think like that maybe
 
Galvermegs

Galvermegs

Professional
messiahrobins said:
Novak needs to win a title in the next couple of months to have a chance at a slam. His aura is fading with so many early defeats and as there more players who havent the baggage of playing him much like the Zverevs and Medvedevs. This new generation hit the ball so hard now and for an older guy thats going to be a problem as obviously any player late 30s wont have the athleticism of younger guys and if they cannot match the power coming at them it spells problems.
The game has changed so much the last year or so.
Click to expand...
But regardless it is overall as boring and homogenous as many other recent years.
 
G

gamelovergold

Semi-Pro
messiahrobins said:
What i find interesting is that the New Gen (Fonseca Musetti Alcaraz Sinner Draper) seem to suggest very subtly that Federer was the greatest. That is fascinating to me given at their ages i would think Nadal and Djokovic were there heroes. I wonder if your post explains why they think like that
Click to expand...
THERE is explanation for that.
Fonseca musetti alcaraz sinner and new generation of players has not played against fedrer for longer period of time to completely feel the game of fedrer.
Alcaraz and Sinner has defeated novak and played against nadal on equal terms so that X factor is not there. And as it is
Grass looks greener on the other side.
Fedrer H2Hagainst nadal and novak does not suggest that he was anyway better than both 2. (Given age gap we can put fedrer in other generation )
 
Bride of Alcaraz

Bride of Alcaraz

Semi-Pro
Galvermegs said:
Federer aging. Rafa more easy to upset by lower ranked players.
Younger players lacking game or inner resolve.
Click to expand...
Only on grass.
And i think if Nadal skipped Halle he'd have never lost so early at Wimbledon.
He's made the Wimbledon Semis in the last 3 years he's played, because he skipped Halle.
Halle grass is nothing like Wimbledon grass, plus Nadal needs rest just after the clay season, instead of going to Germany...
 
AO13

AO13

Hall of Fame
duaneeo said:
Since the 1970s, no player after hitting 30 won more than 2 slams. But since 2017, players after hitting 30 won 3-8-12 slams.
Click to expand...
How odd. One could say those guys who managed to win multiple slams after 30 are the greatest tennis players ever? :unsure:

Especially that one guy who managed to win 12 slams both before and after 30, while the other 2 GOATs were still playing. One could say he is the GOAT of the GOATs? :unsure:​
 
TennisGrandpA

TennisGrandpA

Rookie
Bride of Alcaraz said:
Only on grass.
And i think if Nadal skipped Halle he'd have never lost so early at Wimbledon.
He's made the Wimbledon Semis in the last 3 years he's played, because he skipped Halle.
Halle grass is nothing like Wimbledon grass, plus Nadal needs rest just after the clay season, instead of going to Germany...
Click to expand...

Him playing unnecessary so many clay tune ups also resulted in his Wimbledon misery post 2011.
 
P

ppma

Professional
messiahrobins said:
The best comparator of the Big 3 is 2007-2014 as thats when they were top 3 all the time basically. Not sure what the score was overall titles wise but at slams it was
Federer: 8 (aged 25-32)
Nadal: 11 (aged 20-27)
Djokovic: 7 ( aged 19-26)

Everyone has their own criterias but for me, at Slam level Nadal was the greatest of the 3 unquestionably with Federer slightly ahead of Novak.

What is interesting is Alcaraz at 21 already has 4 Majors. Sinner is 23 with 3. Sinner seems possibly on the Djokovic trajectory and Alcaraz the Nadal trajectory. Unless a third ATG emerges those two will almost certainly surpass the slam count of the Big 3.
Click to expand...

I get your point, but that comparison is fair to Nadal and Djokovic that are about the same age, but it's unfair to Federer being 6-7 yolder.
 
GoatNo1

GoatNo1

Hall of Fame
messiahrobins said:
The best comparator of the Big 3 is 2007-2014 as thats when they were top 3 all the time basically. Not sure what the score was overall titles wise but at slams it was
Federer: 8 (aged 25-32)
Nadal: 11 (aged 20-27)
Djokovic: 7 ( aged 19-26)

Everyone has their own criterias but for me, at Slam level Nadal was the greatest of the 3 unquestionably with Federer slightly ahead of Novak.

What is interesting is Alcaraz at 21 already has 4 Majors. Sinner is 23 with 3. Sinner seems possibly on the Djokovic trajectory and Alcaraz the Nadal trajectory. Unless a third ATG emerges those two will almost certainly surpass the slam count of the Big 3.
Click to expand...
it is not true

nole become no3 first after at 2007/07/09 and rafa got out of top3 at 2015/04/20. than nole was no4 from 2009/05/11 to 2009/10/12 (almost a half year). fed was out of top3 (no4 to no8) from 2013/07/08 to 2014/06/23, so that is almost a whole year. rafa was not in top3 from 2012/09/10 to 2013/08/05, almost one year too.

so tournament that you should not count are:
AO07 - fed
RG07 - rafa
W07 - fed
RG09 - fed
W09 - fed
AO13 - nole
RG13 - rafa
USO13 - rafa
RG14 - rafa

they was top3 even from 2018/09/10 to 2019/01/28 and from 2019/05/06 to 2020/03/02!

so tournament that should go in are:
AO15 - nole
AO19 - nole
RG19 - rafa
W19 - nole
USO19 - rafa
AO20 - nole

so when all 3 was in top3:
fed 4
nole 10
rafa 9
 
GrassMasters

GrassMasters

Rookie
Average time it took for the next ATG (at least 3 slams) to come along, about 2-6 years (a generation).
From Djokovic to Sinner, 14 years:
uQWzqGK.png


hhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.............................. :unsure: :unsure: :unsure: :unsure: :unsure: :unsure:
 
GoatNo1

GoatNo1

Hall of Fame
GrassMasters said:
Average time it took for the next ATG (at least 3 slams) to come along, about 2-6 years (a generation).
From Djokovic to Sinner, 14 years:
uQWzqGK.png


hhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.............................. :unsure: :unsure: :unsure: :unsure: :unsure: :unsure:
Click to expand...
but nole had muzza (3 slams) that is only one week older and rafa (22 slams) that is less than one year older. så it is 2 ATG and one almost GOAT that is he same age! it is harder if you have 2 ATG at same age than if you have 2 5-6 year younger. if same age so you have them more or less whole career no 5 free years without any.

if you coll of your table you see that fed was THE ONLY ATG born in 10 years period (76 to 85)!!!! and nole had 3 ATG born in less than 2 years before him!!

why would 3 players in the same age (but very slightly older) be so much better than no older or younger players in 4-5 years distance???? no logic at all!!!
top8elo.jpg

 
Last edited:
F

fedfan24

Hall of Fame
BauerAlmeida said:
Weird distribution for Federer, wins 3 slams a year in 2004, 2006 and 2007 (and one point away in 2005). Wins 1 from AO 2010 to AO 2017, then wins 3 out of 4. Very curious.
Click to expand...
He got surpassed by younger ATGs then had a late career surge with a new racket after 6 months off to practice. He won 17 slams between ages 21-31 then another 3 between 35-36.

Not quite the same as winning 12 in your 30s vs the most pathetic generation of all time.
 
  • Like
Reactions: DSH
Hitman

Hitman

Bionic Poster
Third Serve said:
Djokovic was maybe like 80% of his 2011-2016 level in 2018-2023 and yet won a higher number of Slams. Fascinating stuff, however trite this line of reasoning has become.
Click to expand...

He was also playing less everywhere else, and where he did play, many times he didn't play anywhere near his best level. 2011 to 2016, Djokovic was making finals every week like they were going out of business. From that mid 2018 to 2023, he was absent for many parts of the season, choosing to specifically target slams.
 
Biotic

Biotic

Hall of Fame
BauerAlmeida said:
Weird distribution for Federer, wins 3 slams a year in 2004, 2006 and 2007 (and one point away in 2005). Wins 1 from AO 2010 to AO 2017, then wins 3 out of 4. Very curious.
Click to expand...
Fraud has like 10 slam runs in 2011-2016 that would have wrecked the 04-07 field bar 05-07 RG.
 
S

SonnyT

Legend
fedfan24 said:
He got surpassed by younger ATGs then had a late career surge with a new racket after 6 months off to practice. He won 17 slams between ages 21-31 then another 3 between 35-36.

Not quite the same as winning 12 in your 30s vs the most pathetic generation of all time.
Click to expand...
The most pathetic generation was the one which allowed Federer to win 11 out of 12 non-RG slams in 4 years, 2004-07. Djokovic and Nadal showed it wasn't so easy in the 10's!
 
F

fedfan24

Hall of Fame
SonnyT said:
The most pathetic generation was the one which allowed Federer to win 11 out of 12 non-RG slams in 4 years, 2004-07. Djokovic and Nadal showed it wasn't so easy in the 10's!
Click to expand...
Did you not watch tennis between 2018-2023 buddy? A geriatric Djokovic being allowed to win 2 RG, 2 USO and 4 W titles vs the worst decade of players in history! These being titles he never won more than 3 of in his actual prime years and struggled at, especially RG.

Federer at his peak winning a bucket load of off clay slams isn’t a surprise and it doesn’t matter what field you put him in. Put him in 18-23 and I don’t think Djokovic wins a single W/USO title.
 
S

SonnyT

Legend
Post-'11, Djokovic limited Federer to ONE WB, when he was healthy. And hard to believe, he shut out Nadal off AO & WB completely when he was allowed to participate! I said 'hard to believe', because just prior to '11, Nadal whipped Federer on AO & WB stadiums.
 
Galvermegs

Galvermegs

Professional
Bride of Alcaraz said:
Only on grass.
And i think if Nadal skipped Halle he'd have never lost so early at Wimbledon.
He's made the Wimbledon Semis in the last 3 years he's played, because he skipped Halle.
Halle grass is nothing like Wimbledon grass, plus Nadal needs rest just after the clay season, instead of going to Germany...
Click to expand...
Rafa made more finals at rg than any other slam. Aussie open he made enough finals but still always had plenty of work to do. Getting even 2 majors there was a great effort (cf sampras)
Us open was a major where he did well but two of them were very favorable opponents in the finals (med almost pulled off a comeback too).
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

K
The Top 20 has only one player over age 27
2 3 4
Replies
188
Views
5K
ghostofMecir
ghostofMecir
M
Average Games Won In Grand Slam Final Losses - Federer - 22, Nadal - 17, Djokovic - 17, Lendl - 15, Murray - 14
Replies
6
Views
416
Ann
Ann
James P
Positives for NextGen post-Wimbledon
Replies
4
Views
434
Technology Ruined Tennis
T
D
Most GS wins by year - Top10
2
Replies
56
Views
3K
MatsPhilander
MatsPhilander
superstition
Records in women's tennis
Replies
22
Views
2K
Condoleezza
C
Top