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Bonus question … if the endpoint is lack of scarcity … everyone has everything they need and doesn’t buy anything how would the rich get rich … I worry about them.
That is a wry and insightful question that flips the common concern about poverty on its head—you are highlighting a fundamental paradox of capitalism when faced with a lack of scarcity.

Your scenario describes a transition to an economy of post-scarcity for necessities, which fundamentally breaks the traditional mechanism of wealth creation.

To address this, we need to understand:
* How the Rich Get Rich Now (Scarcity-Based Wealth)
* What Wealth Would Mean in a Post-Scarcity World
* New (or Evolved) Mechanisms for Elite Accumulation.

First, I will run a search to see what economists and futurists have posited about wealth and inequality in a post-scarcity future.

That is a wry and insightful question that flips the common concern about poverty on its head—you are highlighting a fundamental paradox of capitalism when faced with a lack of scarcity for necessities.

Your scenario describes a transition to an economy of post-scarcity for basic necessities (food, shelter, energy, basic goods), which fundamentally breaks the traditional mechanism of wealth creation.

Here is an analysis of how the rich would continue to accumulate something valuable in a world where material needs are met, ensuring they remain "the rich," even if money as we know it changes.

1. How the Rich Get Rich Now (Scarcity-Based Wealth)

Today, wealth is accumulated by controlling things that are scarce and necessary.

Type of ScarcityWealth Mechanism
MaterialOwning the means of production (AI, factories, resources, land) to create goods that people must buy.
LaborExtracting profit from the difference between the value a worker produces and the wage they are paid.
MonopolyCreating artificial scarcity through patents, copyrights, and network effects (e.g., social media platforms).

In your post-scarcity scenario, material and labor scarcity are mostly solved for basic needs. The rich, therefore, must pivot to owning and controlling things that cannot be automated, replicated, or made infinite.

2. The New Scarcities: How the Rich Will Stay Rich

The search results suggest that in a post-scarcity economy, the elite would shift their focus from accumulating material wealth to accumulating access, time, and influence.

A. Non-Replicable Physical Resources
While food and basic goods may be infinite, the planet's physical space is not. The new wealth would center on exclusive control over:

* Prime Real Estate: The best views, the historic city centers, the private islands, the desirable climate zones (especially as climate change progresses). They will own the most desirable location, location, location.

* Energy & Raw Materials: Though energy may become "nearly free" from solar or quantum sources, the infrastructure for distributing it, and the raw (non-replicable) planetary materials (like rare-earth elements) required for the ultimate AI systems, will be tightly held.

B. Access and Influence (The Prestige Ledger)

If physical possessions become meaningless, the new competition will be for social status and experience. The rich will accumulate a new form of "currency" that represents power:

* Time: They won't buy a cheap automated surgery; they will pay a premium to skip the automated waiting list for the single, irreplaceable, world-expert human doctor. They buy immediate access to highly limited human attention.

* Bespoke Experiences: While a replicator can print a generic meal, only the rich can commission the unique, live, non-automated experience—a private concert by a famous human artist, a custom-designed piece of bio-art, or a dinner prepared by the last remaining master chef using traditional techniques.

* Information/Cognitive Capital: In a world saturated with easily generated AI content, the scarcity will be verifiable, unbiased, non-algorithmic truth, insight, and human-curated knowledge. The rich will pay to own the most valuable data sets, the best human-run research labs, and exclusive access to the highest cognitive networks (Source 2.2).

C. The Control of Digital and Governing Systems

The owners of the AI and automation platforms—the true means of post-scarcity production—will remain the ultimate elite.

* They may make basic goods free, but they will charge for access to the premium layers of the operating system, the best AI tools, or the exclusive cognitive bandwidth on the fastest quantum computers.

* The transition from capitalism to a post-scarcity system (often called "techno-socialism" or "Collaborative Commons" in the search results) hinges entirely on who owns and governs the AI. If the rich maintain private ownership of the AI, they maintain control over the entire system's output and rules.

Conclusion: Wealth Becomes Power
In the post-scarcity world, the rich don't worry about being rich because wealth is simply redefined as power and exclusivity. They will own the things that a machine cannot create or that are restricted by immutable physical laws (like geography and time).

They will own the governance of the endless production and, therefore, they still set the rules for what everyone else is allowed to do with their "Universal Meager Scraps."

The question of post-scarcity and its relationship to economics is explored in this video on the surprising economics of a moneyless world. The Economics of a Post Scarcity Universe - What Happens When Everything Is Free?

 
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In the UK it used to be traditional to put the tree up 12 days before and take down 12 days after. We are late this year as usually put it up at the start of the month - just been hectic weekends.
I like it longer because the spirit feels too divine to cut it short. The trees, decor and lights make people very happy and that’s the real beauty of the Christmas.
 
I like it longer because the spirit feels too divine to cut it short. The trees, decor and lights make people very happy and that’s the real beauty of the Christmas.
Completely agree, and lots of people here are getting into the spirit of it nicely, the street I live on is literally lit up like one big Christmas Tree with all the lights
 
Completely agree, and lots of people here are getting into the spirit of it nicely, the street I live on is literally lit up like one big Christmas Tree with all the lights
Lights are very important in people’s lives including the sun. It gives life, literally and brings happiness. Let there be light, as they say!
 
Lights are very important in people’s lives including the sun. It gives life, literally and brings happiness. Let there be light, as they say!
Big Fusion reactor in sky is key to all life … without it we wouldn’t exist. Heat and light are two of the main reasons we holiday in Spain so regularly.
 
Have a nice Holiday everyone! Hope to see you in the New Year well and good.

Why are you saying goodbye until New Year—are you going offline? Will you be in a place without Internet (provided it exists)?
Vacation from work and from this forum too? That’s impeccable schedule planning.
 
Why are you saying goodbye until New Year—are you going offline? Will you be in a place without Internet (provided it exists)?
Vacation from work and from this forum too? That’s impeccable schedule planning.
I wasn’t offline but I wanted to enjoy my vacation by cutting down all the other distractions. Is there a place without internet? I wouldn’t know!
 
Yes, I went out of country to attend a wedding. I took some extra days to have a full vacation. Why not.

How’s your holidays?
It’s nice to get away for the holidays, hope your break was good - where did you go? had nearly 2 weeks at home with the family for Christmas and NY. It’s all over before you know it and the food and drink were not in short supply, a lot of social commitments. Back on court working off the excesses.

Typing this now at 4.30am, cats and work the culprits this time. It took over a week to get out of the work intensity mode and within a day straight back into it.
 
It’s nice to get away for the holidays, hope your break was good - where did you go? had nearly 2 weeks at home with the family for Christmas and NY. It’s all over before you know it and the food and drink were not in short supply, a lot of social commitments. Back on court working off the excesses.

Typing this now at 4.30am, cats and work the culprits this time. It took over a week to get out of the work intensity mode and within a day straight back into it.
My break was great but too hectic for my liking. I would have liked to relax more but I was always on the go. The wedding happened in an island (my first time visiting it) and it was packed with activities. And of course, no lack of food and drinks.

After I got back, I could not keep my eyes open beyond 8pm. Now I can stay up until 10pm, lol. Interestingly, I got to spend some time with two cats, Ginger and Kitty. Ginger was good but Kitty was too much for me.

Glad you had a great time over the holidays! So sad that it’s all over.
 
My break was great but too hectic for my liking. I would have liked to relax more but I was always on the go. The wedding happened in an island (my first time visiting it) and it was packed with activities. And of course, no lack of food and drinks.

After I got back, I could not keep my eyes open beyond 8pm. Now I can stay up until 10pm, lol. Interestingly, I got to spend some time with two cats, Ginger and Kitty. Ginger was good but Kitty was too much for me.

Glad you had a great time over the holidays! So sad that it’s all over.
It’ll be back before you know it, sounds like the wedding and hols were good if not a little fast paced (y) At least one of the cats behaved, was Kitty a little hyper? Could have been pleased to see you after the break. I know my pride are really fussy after we’ve been away. Im sure they miss you, even if it’s just for some food and someone to do the claw thing on.
 
It’ll be back before you know it, sounds like the wedding and hols were good if not a little fast paced (y) At least one of the cats behaved, was Kitty a little hyper? Could have been pleased to see you after the break. I know my pride are really fussy after we’ve been away. Im sure they miss you, even if it’s just for some food and someone to do the claw thing on.
Oh those aren’t my cats! I am not a cat person, really. More of a dog lover. Anyway, Kitty is not highly disciplined or listens to the owner. Despite given plenty food, she still jumps on the dining table every time lunch or dinner is served. I wasn’t very comfortable with that. This was my first meeting both Ginger and Kitty.
 
Oh those aren’t my cats! I am not a cat person, really. More of a dog lover. Anyway, Kitty is not highly disciplined or listens to the owner. Despite given plenty food, she still jumps on the dining table every time lunch or dinner is served. I wasn’t very comfortable with that. This was my first meeting both Ginger and Kitty.
Cats are way more independent than dogs and I have the same problem with mine, they’ll jump anywhere and everywhere to get food. Like yourself, will usher them off the table as they shouldn’t be allowed to walk where you eat. They are funny though, as they don’t give in but they do learn eventually.
 
Cats are way more independent than dogs and I have the same problem with mine, they’ll jump anywhere and everywhere to get food. Like yourself, will usher them off the table as they shouldn’t be allowed to walk where you eat. They are funny though, as they don’t give in but they do learn eventually.
I actually found her more aggressive than independent. She simply didn't want to go away no matter what. I asked the owner if the cat could be in a room with door closed while we had lunch/dinner, but she said that Kitty would mess up the bed or the sofa or the carpet if she got locked up for an hour or so. She's only aggressive around dinner or lunch time though as otherwise she seemed mild mannered.
 
I actually found her more aggressive than independent. She simply didn't want to go away no matter what. I asked the owner if the cat could be in a room with door closed while we had lunch/dinner, but she said that Kitty would mess up the bed or the sofa or the carpet if she got locked up for an hour or so. She's only aggressive around dinner or lunch time though as otherwise she seemed mild mannered.
Sounds like she’s touchy at feeding times which my brood can be like as well. Not happy with my eldest Tom who left me
An unwanted present on the conservatory floor this morning. Im close to turning to dogs.
 
Sounds like she’s touchy at feeding times which my brood can be like as well. Not happy with my eldest Tom who left me
An unwanted present on the conservatory floor this morning. Im close to turning to dogs.
LOL at your eldest.

I did have another angle to Kitty’s feeding needs story and wondered if she was given the right kind of food. Or else why would she be interested more about the food on the table than what was given to her around the same time? Or maybe I don’t know anything about cats!
 
LOL at your eldest.

I did have another angle to Kitty’s feeding needs story and wondered if she was given the right kind of food. Or else why would she be interested more about the food on the table than what was given to her around the same time? Or maybe I don’t know anything about cats!
You might be onto something there, could be that the food wasn’t to Kittys taste, they can be fussy sometimes. That said, my lot eat their own and then help me with mine. When I’ve played tennis or racketball and I want a quick meal I’ll stick some meatballs on and have with soup. My youngest cat sits there and I can’t help but give little bits of meatball, I know bad but he’s v hard to say no to. Has a bad habit of helping himself if you’re not careful.
 
You might be onto something there, could be that the food wasn’t to Kittys taste, they can be fussy sometimes. That said, my lot eat their own and then help me with mine. When I’ve played tennis or racketball and I want a quick meal I’ll stick some meatballs on and have with soup. My youngest cat sits there and I can’t help but give little bits of meatball, I know bad but he’s v hard to say no to. Has a bad habit of helping himself if you’re not careful.
I was told that Ginger was a Persian cat while Kitty was local. I am not sure what they meant by local that mind you, this was all back in the island and if the cat was local then they probably eat everything. Your youngest sounds a lot like Kitty, actually who’s attracted to food that they are probably not supposed to eat. Again, I am completely naive when it comes to cats.
 
I was told that Ginger was a Persian cat while Kitty was local. I am not sure what they meant by local that mind you, this was all back in the island and if the cat was local then they probably eat everything. Your youngest sounds a lot like Kitty, actually who’s attracted to food that they are probably not supposed to eat. Again, I am completely naive when it comes to cats.
They have insatiable appetites, they’d literally eat until they burst. I had dogs asa kid and they were the same tbh, they’d eat everything and still give you the big eyes when you had yours. A friend at my tennis club had a lovely dog that was really good natured, who I always gave food if I had some. After a club social she ate over 20 pork pies once, leftovers really and doing the organisers a favour getting rid of them, and didn’t take her long either. My experience is that cats and dogs are very similar when it comes to food, anything meaty there straight in, no prisoners lol.
 
Btw on topic, work is the main reason for lack of sleep at the min. Busy, pressured and deadline driven, work seems to be speeding up the older I get. Surely it should be the other way round?
 
Btw on topic, work is the main reason for lack of sleep at the min. Busy, pressured and deadline driven, work seems to be speeding up the older I get. Surely it should be the other way round?
I am back to my old habits, sleeping late and having trouble waking up early. What else is new, lol.

But at least you can comfort yourself knowing that you are your own boss even if work is speeding up, which can also be a good sign for your company.
 
We are in the middle of a snowstorm! Expecting 35cm of snow once all is said and done. Schools are closed and we are advised to work from home. Kids are having a snow day, I can see on Telly. Current temperature is -14 but feels like -25, coldest of the month. Everything is stark white including trees. And not to mention, beautiful.

I slept only a few hours last night. Still better than no sleep at all.
 
We are in the middle of a snowstorm! Expecting 35cm of snow once all is said and done. Schools are closed and we are advised to work from home. Kids are having a snow day, I can see on Telly. Current temperature is -14 but feels like -25, coldest of the month. Everything is stark white including trees. And not to mention, beautiful.

I slept only a few hours last night. Still better than no sleep at all.
Sounds like it looks amazing, always enjoyed a snowfall but we don’t get that anymore in London, to wet and warm. Did you go out in it? 35cm is a big enough fall to make a pretty big snowman, bet the kids loved it.
 
Sounds like it looks amazing, always enjoyed a snowfall but we don’t get that anymore in London, to wet and warm. Did you go out in it? 35cm is a big enough fall to make a pretty big snowman, bet the kids loved it.
Got 25cm, but it was dry snow, easy to shovel. Didn't go out of the house though.
 
Cats are way more independent than dogs and I have the same problem with mine, they’ll jump anywhere and everywhere to get food. Like yourself, will usher them off the table as they shouldn’t be allowed to walk where you eat. They are funny though, as they don’t give in but they do learn eventually.
None of my 3 cats go on the table. None did, not even the previous 2.
 
Sounds like it looks amazing, always enjoyed a snowfall but we don’t get that anymore in London, to wet and warm. Did you go out in it? 35cm is a big enough fall to make a pretty big snowman, bet the kids loved it.
I didn’t go out at all, didn’t need to. It snowed yesterday too but it was light snow. I could see the park from my apartment building and I saw kids playing snowball. Did you use to get snow in the past?
 
I didn’t go out at all, didn’t need to. It snowed yesterday too but it was light snow. I could see the park from my apartment building and I saw kids playing snowball. Did you use to get snow in the past?
Yes a little bit although it was pretty rare, more heavy falls in the north of England and Scotland. Because it is so uncommon people especially the kids really enjoy going out in it. We had one 3 or 4 years back and the streets were full, even if people just going for a walk. My boys now young men enjoyed a good snowball fight. When they were very young we walked to a park that had a big hill and joined in with a load of people sledging. Was really good fun. Few bruises and wet socks but nothing that put us off.
 
They must be well trained as they always tend to gravitate towards heights, if there’s somewhere to loaf the higher the better for cats.
Well behaved, more like it.
The only part we trained is to walk with us without a leash. Even that is more of the mother cat's doing. They are following her lead, even the new addition who is not her litter and also some of the neighborhood cats, if I invite them.
 
Well behaved, more like it.
The only part we trained is to walk with us without a leash. Even that is more of the mother cat's doing. They are following her lead, even the new addition who is not her litter and also some of the neighborhood cats, if I invite them.
My eldest cat follows me when I walk down our street and to the local shop sometimes. He'll happily sit outside and wait and then walk me home.
 
Yes a little bit although it was pretty rare, more heavy falls in the north of England and Scotland. Because it is so uncommon people especially the kids really enjoy going out in it. We had one 3 or 4 years back and the streets were full, even if people just going for a walk. My boys now young men enjoyed a good snowball fight. When they were very young we walked to a park that had a big hill and joined in with a load of people sledging. Was really good fun. Few bruises and wet socks but nothing that put us off.
Kids do enjoy snow a great deal. We get snow a lot basically every year. Sometimes some winters are more on the milder side. Hope you get heavy but fun snow at some point this winter so that people can enjoy one more time!
 
Kids do enjoy snow a great deal. We get snow a lot basically every year. Sometimes some winters are more on the milder side. Hope you get heavy but fun snow at some point this winter so that people can enjoy one more time!
That would be great ... and a good excuse to take a day or twos holiday to unwind and enjoy.

How has the sleep been lately?
 
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