Slovenia player Jakupovic retired playing Aus Open qualies due to "breathing difficulties"

tonylg

Hall of Fame
Yes, well, workplace accidents do happen
Sort of begs the question of whether it's up to the tournament to provide safe conditions, or the player as a self employed competitor to make their own call.

If both can see the air quality at the time, which one is it?
 

James P

Hall of Fame
The trick is to get off the court in straight sets in an hour instead of getting caught in a 2.5 hour slog, I guess...
 

tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
Yes, well, workplace accidents do happen, but perhaps not to coffee house political junkies like you.
You work in Dubai, you have to put up with the heat.
You work in Chicago, you have to deal with the wind.
You work in Alaska, be prepared for darkness.
You work in Australia, learn to deal with bad air quality
 

tonylg

Hall of Fame
Are they playing matches outside? I saw a statement saying that they would get by using the 3 roofed courts and 8 indoor practice courts.

Yes, that might blow the schedule out, but so does rain (which I understand may also be forecast).
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
It's always the case that the tournament has to provide safe conditions. The competitor has no choice over the workplace. He or she is not responsible for this aspect of the relationship.

If you invite someone to your house and they fall off the balcony because your railings are inadequate try telling the judge it was their call. You should even have public liability insurance for this.

Sort of begs the question of whether it's up to the tournament to provide safe conditions, or the player as a self employed competitor to make their own call.

If both can see the air quality at the time, which one is it?
 
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Bartelby

Bionic Poster
This is hardly an annual occurrence. it is an exceptional event, unlike heat, wind, and darkness.

In fact, you will have to put up with the heat, but they now also have safety rules about this semi-frequent event.

You work in Dubai, you have to put up with the heat.
You work in Chicago, you have to deal with the wind.
You work in Alaska, be prepared for darkness.
You work in Australia, learn to deal with bad air quality
 
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Bartelby

Bionic Poster
The facts are that they are going to pay lip service to player health at the moment because the Weather Bureau has a very poor to hazardous warning out.

If they were to take that seriously, the schedule would be seriously set back.
 

tonylg

Hall of Fame
This is hardly an annual occurrence. it is an exceptional event, unlike heat, wind, and darkness.
In the past, yes.

In the future, it may become the new normal.

Perhaps BHP need to build a complex of 30 indoor tournament courts in every capital city of Australia?
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
If the quality of the air remains very poor to hazardous then guys like Djokovic won't be winning too many matches, as he himself recognises, especially if there is heat as well.
 

merwy

Legend
I think the fact that players are hindered/might have to retire/are unable to play their best, is completely secondary to the fact that they have to play in conditions that could lead to long term health complications. If it is really true that players are bothered by the pollution this much, it’s preposterous that the tournament directors aren’t taking more action. And if they don’t have any more options left, they should just cancel the whole thing. Sucks for us, but come on man. This isn’t Ancient Rome where we let people fight to the death in the colosseum. We care about the wellbeing of players
 

Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
I think the fact that players are hindered/might have to retire/are unable to play their best, is completely secondary to the fact that they have to play in conditions that could lead to long term health complications. If it is really true that players are bothered by the pollution this much, it’s preposterous that the tournament directors aren’t taking more action. And if they don’t have any more options left, they should just cancel the whole thing. Sucks for us, but come on man. This isn’t Ancient Rome where we let people fight to the death in the colosseum. We care about the wellbeing of players

The crazy thing is they have multiple options. They have the indoor courts at the national tennis centre (I believe 2 or three) + Melbourne, Rod Laver and Margaret Court Arena. I know it's just qualifying but surely player safety is best? Jakupovic has a reason to sue now for being forced to play in these conditions. Absolutely no reason for this to have happened. They have 5 days til the tournament starts and it's expected to be better in coming days.
 

tonylg

Hall of Fame
Perhaps it will be in the future, but the employer class has mostly got its head stuck in the past so they won't take any action unless Greta gets up them.
It was swings in working class electorates that delivered our current government.

Playing matches outdoors when the air quality is poor is negligent. There's no excuse, particularly when you can't claim it was unforeseeable.
 

WNB93

New User
Until the well known players start their matches nobody will do anything unfortunately.
Nobody cares about the qualifications.
Djokovic (as the president of the players council) said that they will ask for a postponement of the tournament if the air quality does not improve. It has not, yet nobody proposed the event to be postponed.
The lower ranked players have no choice but to play in conditions that are classified as hazardous and when people are strongly advised to stay indoors by the government.

The situation is to improve in the next few days due to rain so the higher ranked players will just say it's fine and nobody will even remember that qualifications were played in unsafe conditions.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
We don't have a working class. They were all put of work by the Liberal Government outsourcing industry to China. Maybe we are importing their pollution as welll!

It was swings in working class electorates that delivered our current government.

Playing matches outdoors when the air quality is poor is negligent. There's no excuse, particularly when you can't claim it was unforeseeable.
 

Tennis_Hands

Bionic Poster
Until the well known players start their matches nobody will do anything unfortunately.
Nobody cares about the qualifications.
Djokovic (as the president of the players council) said that they will ask for a postponement of the tournament if the air quality does not improve. It has not, yet nobody proposed the event to be postponed.
The lower ranked players have no choice but to play in conditions that are classified as hazardous and when people are strongly advised to stay indoors by the government.

The situation is to improve in the next few days due to rain so the higher ranked players will just say it's fine and nobody will even remember that qualifications were played in unsafe conditions.
Djokovic is the president of his interests, nothing more and it is exactly as you say: as long as the show can be had nobody will give a damn about some lower ranked players. If the media or the troubled players make a big stink he will come out with some half-***** statement that he is concerned and that will be that.

 

Lumber

New User
I think the players will do ok. People who live in very big cities can often breathe some very bad air every day. It shortens their lives, and this is very bad. However playing one tournament should be ok, compared to living a lifetime in a big city
 

Bender

G.O.A.T.
Perhaps it will be in the future, but the employer class has mostly got its head stuck in the past so they won't take any action unless Greta gets up them.
I don't think they've got their heads stuck in the past. Chances are that they fully aware and understand the issues at hand; they just act the way they do because of the sweet Rupert Murdoch moolah and their voter base, which if true is a whole lot worse.
I think the players will do ok. People who live in very big cities can often breathe some very bad air every day. It shortens their lives, and this is very bad. However playing one tournament should be ok, compared to living a lifetime in a big city
"Some bad air" is a bit of an understatement if it's caused by a fire that is literally the size of Guatemala, Iceland, or South Korea.

For reference:

 

Red Rick

Talk Tennis Guru
I don't think they've got their heads stuck in the past. Chances are that they fully aware and understand the issues at hand; they just act the way they do because of the sweet Rupert Murdoch moolah and their voter base, which if true is a whole lot worse.

"Some bad air" is a bit of an understatement if it's caused by a fire that is literally the size of Guatemala, Iceland, or South Korea.
IT also doesn't help that when the rest of the world calls an Australian out on their **** and calls them a cünt they'll take it as a compliment and go right ahead.
 

THUNDERVOLLEY

G.O.A.T.
This is hardly an annual occurrence. it is an exceptional event, unlike heat, wind, and darkness.

In fact, you will have to put up with the heat, but they now also have safety rules about this semi-frequent event.
Yes, only a fool desperate to see players for his own selfish reasons would leap to make a false equivalency about darkness and other common conditions to an unusual, major natural disaster that also threatens health.
 

tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
This is hardly an annual occurrence. it is an exceptional event, unlike heat, wind, and darkness.

In fact, you will have to put up with the heat, but they now also have safety rules about this semi-frequent event.
You don’t get sarcasm , do you ??
I don’t believe anyone is suggesting that players should really get used to this .

But the Genie Bouchard types are quick to take advantage of such a situation by having injury lawyers on speed dial and that is what the post is about
 

D-Lite

Semi-Pro
You don’t get sarcasm , do you ??
I don’t believe anyone is suggesting that players should really get used to this .

But the Genie Bouchard types are quick to take advantage of such a situation by having injury lawyers on speed dial and that is what the post is about
I imagine if any of these tennis players who have a case and enough money to take the AO to court would surely do so if they develop a respiratory condition while playing at the event.
I don't get the issue with Bouchard? Obviously as a tennis player she doesn't exactly help herself sometimes but she won her lawsuit and I feel like most players would have pursued the USTA had that happened to them, particularly the big players with the financial backing.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
All players should wear breathing apparatuses. I always liked Jacques Cousteau. It should be a good spectacle.
 

BGod

Legend
Anyone that's downplaying the air quality doesn't know what's actually going on or is from Mexico City (worst air quality in the world).

Even these qualifiers have just cause to sue. Tennis Australia claiming their "experts" are monitoring and giving clearance would not hold up in court if other legitimate sources are stating the air quality is unhealthy or very poor.

The event needs to be post-poned weeks if the fires persist. Rain appears to be coming though but we'll see.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
They should have just cancelled the qualifiers and tossed a coin to see who goes through.

The event can't be postponed. You can only cancel events of this magnitude, and that won't happen.

Anyone that's downplaying the air quality doesn't know what's actually going on or is from Mexico City (worst air quality in the world).

Even these qualifiers have just cause to sue. Tennis Australia claiming their "experts" are monitoring and giving clearance would not hold up in court if other legitimate sources are stating the air quality is unhealthy or very poor.

The event needs to be post-poned weeks if the fires persist. Rain appears to be coming though but we'll see.
 

Rogfan

Professional
I hope some players will indeed sue AO, unfortunately the qualifiers probably don’t have the means to do so. It’s negligence at its worse and I have to say there’s a degree of discrimination as well. I’m sure if it was the main draw where any of the big names were playing, they’d have postponed it.
 

jon70

Semi-Pro
Besides the poor girl who retired, Bouchard, and to a lesser degree Tomic, did any other player complain though?

I don't think they've got their heads stuck in the past. Chances are that they fully aware and understand the issues at hand; they just act the way they do because of the sweet Rupert Murdoch moolah and their voter base, which if true is a whole lot worse.
I don't want to get political on a tennis forum, but it's possible that some of our politicians think it's not Australia's job to bow to Greta and lead the way on these issues...
 

Tshooter

Legend
...

I don't want to get political on a tennis forum, but it's possible that some of our politicians think it's not Australia's job to bow to Greta and lead the way on these issues...
o_O

"I don't want to" = I want to. :cool:
 
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TheGhostOfAgassi

Talk Tennis Guru
I hope some players will indeed sue AO, unfortunately the qualifiers probably don’t have the means to do so. It’s negligence at its worse and I have to say there’s a degree of discrimination as well. I’m sure if it was the main draw where any of the big names were playing, they’d have postponed it.
I saw Rafa started practicing on AO courts. He is probably not the only main draw player doing that. Let’s see what they say. I guess some journalist will ask them soon.
 
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