Slow courts in Paris

[torpantennis]

Ok, so local so called "experts" say that it is sooo slooow... Now look at Federer-Raonic stats: both have over 90% 1st serve points won. Is that slow??? Since when?

Nothing related to fast/slow. That's INDOORS, there are no elements like sun/wind, that'd distract your serving rhythm.

 

[Rock Strongo]

Hell, even Isner vs Monfils looked slow!

 

[Chico]

Roger's poor performance this week is further proof of the slow, clay-like surface they are using this year.

:lol: At Chico bleating "all courts are the same", "Paris, WTF, Beijing are fast", "They don't change the speed" etc.
Nobody is buying it. Just give up.

LOL. So slow courts favor Raonic more than Federer. Sure. Maybe in some trolling parallel universe. :roll:

Raonic beating Fed is just a confirmation that courts in Paris are fast and as fast as always.

And BTW Djokovic-Muray H2H on fast HC is now 6-4. Just to prove you wrong even more.

 

[Deleted member 688153]

LOL. So slow courts favor Raonic more than Federer. Sure. Maybe in some trolling parallel universe. :roll:

Raonic beating Fed is just a confirmation that courts in Paris are fast and as fast as always.

And BTW Djokovic-Muray H2H on fast HC is now 6-4. Just to prove you wrong even more.

We really are becoming the BEST of friends, are we not?

Raonic plays the same on slow and fast courts (he has done well on clay this year buddy).
Fed plays worse on slow courts.
Advantage Raonic. He deserved the win though.

Nice win for Novak against Murray (I was impressed actually), but the Paris courts are slower than Madrid.
You still haven't actually watched any of the footage, have you?

Here you go. Fed/Raonic and Djoke/Andy
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pP2uy3svZgM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5vXP8hoQXTE

Do watch them, and then tell me with a straight face that surface is fast.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

Fast and low bouncing is what suits Fed's game best.

That was when Federer was young and quick!

Vero, if you are going to pretend to be an expert that understands the sport (we know that you are not, but I see that you are trying too hard in other threads, so it must be important for you to be perceived as such), at least you should start using your brain when making "analysis".

 

[coloskier]

You're right my friend. Defensive minded player like Raonic really loves this slow as molasses Bercy surface...

Actually, they do, because they can hit through the court with FH and serve even on a slow court, but have more time to get to the ball on a slower court. Isner's best wins have come on a clay court (beating Djoker). Same with Soderling against Nadal at FO.

 

[TMF]

Paris and the WTF have been slow and low bouncing for like the last 3 years now. Not a surprise. These are actually Federer's ideal conditions IMO, he just had an off day today.

I don't agree. Dubai, Shanghai and Basel suit him the most.

 

[Sysyphus]

I don't agree. Dubai, Shanghai and Basel suit him the most.

Cincy for sure, no?

 

[tipsa...don'tlikehim!]

Yeah Raonic benefited from a slow surface.

 

[Netspirit]

That was when Federer was young and quick!

Vero, if you are going to pretend to be an expert that understands the sport (we know that you are not, but I see that you are trying too hard in other threads, so it must be important for you to be perceived as such), at least you should start using your brain when making "analysis".

Nope, she is right. It is not about being "young and quick". It is about the biomechanics of his game.

Federer relies a lot on his serve, so faster courts help him. Aggressive serve returns are not natural to him; instead, he relies on his reaction to block serves back - and faster courts make block returns more effective. He has a 1HBH so low-bouncing courts allow him to be more aggressive off his backhand and slice less. He likes to hit wrist shots and half-volleys which faster, low-bouncing courts are well suited for.

Federer has most success at Wimbledon, Halle, Cincy, Dubai, and WTF. This cannot be a coincidence.

 

[Chanwan]

The courts are the same as last year and as 5 years ago. You people are imagining things.

Quoted for untruth

 

[Tennis_Hands]

Nope, she is right. It is not about being "young and quick". It is about the biomechanics of his game.

Federer relies a lot on his serve, so faster courts help him. Aggressive serve returns are not natural to him; instead, he relies on his reaction to block serves back - and faster courts make block returns more effective. He has a 1HBH so low-bouncing courts allow him to be more aggressive off his backhand and slice less. He likes to hit wrist shots and half-volleys which faster, low-bouncing courts are well suited for.

Federer has most success at Wimbledon, Halle, Cincy, Dubai, and WTF. This cannot be a coincidence.

I am well aware of Federer's game.

Nowadays Federer's best surface would be slow and low-bouncing.

 

[Shoeless99]

And onward to 2015 Paris indoors. The court still looks slow to me.

 

[Murrayfan31]

Sounds like a bad surface for Nadal. Fed would prefer faster as well. Ideal for Djokovic and Murray.

 

[helterskelter]

It seems that the organizers of the Paris Bercy tourney have not fixed the surface from last year.

What is going on here? Paris used to be great.
I do wish they would stop messing with/slowing down court surfaces. If you or the players want slow HC, we have AO/WTF/Miami/IW.
Why ruin one of the only fast tournaments. The only others are Cincy and Dubai.

I thought after they fixed Shanghai this year, we would be having a good season for court speed. Nope.

I reckon this is what happened: Some of the top guys moaned and complained that Paris was too different to the WTF, and that it wasn't fair that they had to adjust. Thus, the organizers turned the court to mud to stop players from skipping Paris.

What do you think?

AO was more medium-paced than slow in both 2014 and 2015.

The conditions at IW are very different than those in Miami, because the air in the desert is so much drier than on what's pretty much a swamp.

 

[gn]

The ball motion reminds me of Montreal.

 

[jm1980]

Bercy looks slower this year (compared to 2014)

 

[Nachiket Nolefam]

I don't care who wins, want variety on court speed. Clay should be slower and hard courts especially second half should be faster.

 

[Starfury]

I don't mind the speed but the court is absolutely awful to look at.

To its credit, it's taught me that "drab" is an actual color.

 

[TheGhostOfAgassi]

To me even the lighting in the is bad.
moaning moaning lol. Basel was so much better! Basel for 1000! paris for 500

 

[morten]

I just dont understand why they simply put less sand in the paint, easy to do, atleast half of the hard court tournaments should be faster than they are now... It would make room for more playing styles

 

[Murrayfan31]

Way slower than Basel. And the bounce is higher as well. The difference between another close match with Rosol and a blowout.

 

[Shoeless99]

Could it be the camera angle that makes the ball look slow?

 

[Gary Duane]

Could it be the camera angle that makes the ball look slow?

I think it makes it appear that way. But I think most of what makes a court play "slow" or "fast" is the height of the bounce. Higher bounce gives the players more time, and you see players Nadal move way back, but it jams players with a 1HBH because the ball goes up to shoulder height...