Smaller grip size better forehand, bigger grip size better one handed backhand?

davced1

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This is a trade-off for me, my forehand seems to be better with a smaller grip but then I lack control of the one handed backhand since the grip is not stable enough. If I go up in grip size the forehand lose some power because of less wrist action but I feel confident to rip the backhand because the grip feels more stable.

I tend to go somewhere in between the optimal grip size for both, slightly too big for forehand and slightly too small for backhand. Is there any solution to this trade-off? Some technical aspect maybe? Ideally I want to feel confident in the backhand with the smaller grip.
 

golden chicken

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Some racket brands use a more diamond or rectangular grip shape, and other use a square shape. Depending which grips you use for each stroke, and which racket brand you use, you might be able to find a shape that works better for both strokes.

You might also be able to modify your own grip to build it up on maybe just the bevels you need.
 

davced1

Hall of Fame
Some racket brands use a more diamond or rectangular grip shape, and other use a square shape. Depending which grips you use for each stroke, and which racket brand you use, you might be able to find a shape that works better for both strokes.

You might also be able to modify your own grip to build it up on maybe just the bevels you need.
I have both shapes and actually with the rectangular one I feel I can go slightly smaller in grip size and still maintain control with the backhand.
 

Arak

Hall of Fame
You’re probably using a SW or W grip on your forehand which works better with smaller grip sizes. If you use an eastern grip, you won’t have this problem. One solution is to choose the smaller grip with two overgrips. The extra cushion will give you more stability on the backhand. Or go up one size. That shouldn’t make a huge difference. I can play with sizes L2 to L4 without any problem, though my preferred one is L4.
On the technical side, I tend to be more wristy with smaller grips on the backhand side too. I don’t mind it at all. It gives more spin and power but less precision. Watch videos of Dominic Thiem. He has a very wristy action on his backhand with his ridiculously small grip size.
 

Goof

Professional
You’re probably using a SW or W grip on your forehand which works better with smaller grip sizes. If you use an eastern grip, you won’t have this problem. One solution is to choose the smaller grip with two overgrips. The extra cushion will give you more stability on the backhand. Or go up one size. That shouldn’t make a huge difference. I can play with sizes L2 to L4 without any problem, though my preferred one is L4.
On the technical side, I tend to be more wristy with smaller grips on the backhand side too. I don’t mind it at all. It gives more spin and power but less precision. Watch videos of Dominic Thiem. He has a very wristy action on his backhand with his ridiculously small grip size.
My backhand (a one-hander) got immediately better when I went down a grip size. It didn't affect my precision at all but immediately allowed for more power without making any conscious changes to my stroke (I'm sure I unintentionally got a little more wrist action though and that was the difference).
 

Arak

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My backhand (a one-hander) got immediately better when I went down a grip size. It didn't affect my precision at all but immediately allowed for more power without making any conscious changes to my stroke (I'm sure I unintentionally got a little more wrist action though and that was the difference).
Most one handers I know hit their backhand with a locked wrist, hence their preference for a larger grip. Nothing wrong with a little wrist action though. If it works on the forehand, it works on the backhand side too, as evidenced by Thiem and Tsitsipas.
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
This is a trade-off for me, my forehand seems to be better with a smaller grip but then I lack control of the one handed backhand since the grip is not stable enough. If I go up in grip size the forehand lose some power because of less wrist action but I feel confident to rip the backhand because the grip feels more stable.

I tend to go somewhere in between the optimal grip size for both, slightly too big for forehand and slightly too small for backhand. Is there any solution to this trade-off? Some technical aspect maybe? Ideally I want to feel confident in the backhand with the smaller grip.
How are you adjusting grip size? Is it by over grips and adding or removing?? If so then what is probably going on has little to do with grip size and more to do with recoil weight. The bh needs more recoil weight so a larger handle made by adding weight from some overgrips will increase the recoil weight and feel better. Fh is often more of a brush so recoil weight isnt as big of a deal. My take is weight the racquet with the ideal bh grip. Then make the grip smaller to the ideal fh size. Measure and see the difference. Lets say its like 8g less with the smaller fh grip. Then use that grip but add 8g to the trap door and see if that doesnt help the bh. Maybe you have have your cake and eat it too
 

davced1

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How are you adjusting grip size? Is it by over grips and adding or removing?? If so then what is probably going on has little to do with grip size and more to do with recoil weight. The bh needs more recoil weight so a larger handle made by adding weight from some overgrips will increase the recoil weight and feel better. Fh is often more of a brush so recoil weight isnt as big of a deal. My take is weight the racquet with the ideal bh grip. Then make the grip smaller to the ideal fh size. Measure and see the difference. Lets say its like 8g less with the smaller fh grip. Then use that grip but add 8g to the trap door and see if that doesnt help the bh. Maybe you have have your cake and eat it too
To adjust grip size I use different methods but no weight in handle so far. I add overgrips, use replacement grip only, different thickness (and weight) of replacement grips.
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
To adjust grip size I use different methods but no weight in handle so far. I add overgrips, use replacement grip only, different thickness (and weight) of replacement grips.
Good. So get the bh right, weigh it. Then remove stuff for the fh and weigh it. Add the missing weight in the handle so you have the size of the fh grip but the weight of the bh grip
 

davced1

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Is your BH grip almost continental? Having a stronger EBH grip might help your stroke be more stable and powerful.
This is my grip is it continental? I tried to find the eastern backhand grip for 10 years but it never felt right so I just went with what feels comfortable and works for me and this is it.
 

socallefty

Legend
This is my grip is it continental? I tried to find the eastern backhand grip for 10 years but it never felt right so I just went with what feels comfortable and works for me and this is it.
Yes, this is a very weak grip that will make it hard to hit with any topspin and cause mishits off hard balls if you setup even slightly late. This is the main issue and you can’t really compensate by changing your racquet grip size. Maybe choke up a bit higher to see if it helps with stability.

If you are open to changing grips, I suggest a full EBH grip and you can see pics in the link below under the 1HBH grip section.


It takes a lot of work though to change grips and it is easier only if you keep your offhand on the racquet throat during your takeback/unit turn as the offhand will help you to rotate the grip from your ready position. I find that having more of a vertical take back (racquet tip pointing up) with my offhand on the racquet throat (see images of Wawrinka) facilitates the grip change.

 
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davced1

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Yes, this is a very weak grip that will make it hard to hit with any topspin and cause mishits off hard balls if you setup even slightly late. This is the main issue and you can’t really compensate by changing your racquet grip size. Maybe choke up a bit higher to see if it helps with stability.

If you are open to changing grips, I suggest a full EBH grip and you can see pics in the link below under the 1HBH grip section.


It takes a lot of work though to change grips and it is possible only if you keep your offhand on the racquet throat during your takeback/unit turn as the offhand will help you to rotate the grip from your ready position. I find that having more of a vertical take back (racquet tip pointing up) with my offhand on the racquet throat (see images of Wawrinka) facilitates the grip change.
Interesting this grip feels stable to me. It's the way the racquet "falls" in my hand naturally but thanks for the advice. I have a habit of using two hands sometimes so it makes sense to use slightly more continetal grip so I can decide in the last moment to hit two-handed.
 
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Arak

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EBH is the standard grip for one handers. Continental was the standard until Becker/Edberg days but the preparation and swing path are completely different. It’s very difficult to use a modern swing path with continental.
 

davced1

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EBH is the standard grip for one handers. Continental was the standard until Becker/Edberg days but the preparation and swing path are completely different. It’s very difficult to use a modern swing path with continental.
I grew up with Becker/Edberg so my backhand is old school I guess. I mainly use slice anyway and was told I play like Dan Evans :)
 

Arak

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I grew up with Becker/Edberg so my backhand is old school I guess. I mainly use slice anyway and was told I play like Dan Evans :)
Of course, you need continental for slice. You can hit some nice driving backhands with continental too, with the appropriate swing. I started with the continental in the late 90s (I started tennis quite late) but quickly switched to eastern even before Federer made it popular.
 

davced1

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Is your BH grip almost continental? Having a stronger EBH grip might help your stroke be more stable and powerful.
Of course, you need continental for slice. You can hit some nice driving backhands with continental too, with the appropriate swing. I started with the continental in the late 90s (I started tennis quite late) but quickly switched to eastern even before Federer made it popular.
Is this passable for an eastern? Feels ok
 

davced1

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Pretty mild eastern. You are going to have to go a little more if you want more racquet head speed. Also, that tourna grip is atrociously dirty and you should change it immediately.
Nothing like a dirty tourna grip they only get better with time!
 
I use a mild eastern on my OHBH, and use a very small grip (4 1/4, two overgrips). It works great. It takes a while to become confident enough to unlock your wrist as you hit, but boy is the OHBH an effective shot once you can do so, especially when it comes to passing shots.

The one thing I'll say is make sure you're not unlocking your wrist until very late in the swing - all the flicky action happens well in front of you, during the upward part of the swing. If it happens too early, you'll completely lose control of your contact.
 
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