Smash preparetion

toth

Semi-Pro
It is said und written, if i see my opponent wants to send a lob, first turn than move back.
My problem, at the moment i see he wants to send a lob, i dont know if i can take this lob with my fh smash or i have to prepare a bh smash.
So which is the good approach?
1.first turn for a fh smash than move back and if i have to take it with bh, ,,double turn" for bh smash
2.first to see if can i take it with fh or only with bh, than turn to the fh or bh side than move back
3.something other

Thank you for your answer
Toth
 
If I turn to hit a regular OH, it's because I've already determined I can make it work. I don't usually turn towards that side and then undo the turn by going 180 degrees in the other direction; maybe on a windy day when I mis-judge the trajectory.

Obviously, you need to be good at recognizing quickly which side you're going to hit with: if you don't, you won't be in position to hit either stroke very well.
 

xFullCourtTenniSx

Hall of Fame
Instead of turning, you can hop backwards as you split step, then recognize where the ball is going and whether you can hit a normal overhead, then turn to the appropriate side, then move.

Realistically, if you have good footwork for the overhead, it doesn't matter too much about saving the extra second to turn before the ball is even hit.
 

Born_to_slice

Hall of Fame
Try to catch all lobs with normal smash if you have time. Once your opponent plays the lob move quickly into a position then get in a trophy position and use tips of your off hand fingers to help you target the ball while it is still high in the air. If you don't target the ball with the off hand or do it too late you'll feel rushed and most likely butcher the smash. Bh smash is more of a high volley you're forced to hit on the fly when there is no time.

Anticipating the lob is hard, so turning to run backwards before lob is even played would require a crystal ball. It's kind of counter-intuitive but try not to get past the middle of the service box when playing a volley (unless you're sure it will be a winner). From there you can usually catch all but most precise of lobs with small positioning adjustments.
 

toth

Semi-Pro
Try to catch all lobs with normal smash if you have time. Once your opponent plays the lob move quickly into a position then get in a trophy position and use tips of your off hand fingers to help you target the ball while it is still high in the air. If you don't target the ball with the off hand or do it too late you'll feel rushed and most likely butcher the smash. Bh smash is more of a high volley you're forced to hit on the fly when there is no time.

Anticipating the lob is hard, so turning to run backwards before lob is even played would require a crystal ball. It's kind of counter-intuitive but try not to get past the middle of the service box when playing a volley (unless you're sure it will be a winner). From there you can usually catch all but most precise of lobs with small positioning adjustments.
This is the point: i would like to turn and move back, even before the lob is played.
Than, if i can not hit it with the regulary fh, i am helpless to turn 180 degrees for the bh smash.
But it is not a many balls.
 

Dragy

Hall of Fame
This is the point: i would like to turn and move back, even before the lob is played.
Than, if i can not hit it with the regulary fh, i am helpless to turn 180 degrees for the bh smash.
But it is not a many balls.
If you expect a lob, position yourself accordingly, don’t put your belly on the net cord. Then splitstep as he makes contact, recognize the ball and move.
 

Born_to_slice

Hall of Fame
This is the point: i would like to turn and move back, even before the lob is played.
Than, if i can not hit it with the regulary fh, i am helpless to turn 180 degrees for the bh smash.
But it is not a many balls.
You can't turn your back on opponent to run down shot that hasn't been played yet. That's not how tennis works.
 

toth

Semi-Pro
You can look for cues that indicate how likely a lob is [but there's no guarantee you'll be correct]:


Is this what you're looking for?
This video super that how to anticipate lob is coming.
But for me not this is the main problem.
My main problem is how to anticipate can i take the lob with my fh swing or unfortunately not - in this case i am late to take it with bh.
 
This video super that how to anticipate lob is coming.
But for me not this is the main problem.
My main problem is how to anticipate can i take the lob with my fh swing or unfortunately not - in this case i am late to take it with bh.
The cues that ET mentions can also be used to anticipate which side the lob will go to. But it also sounds like you're relying too much on anticipation and when you're wrong, you're in a tough spot. One suggestion is to only commit when you see the lob going up and stop prematurely positioning yourself for a FH OH.

Have someone feed you and you call out FH or BH depending on which side you think you'll intercept the lob. Don't actually hit the ball, just train your recognition. Then start making it more difficult by moving around and catching the ball with the appropriate hand [sans racquet]. Finally, real OHs.

I played doubles against a guy who would stand at the net assuming he'd hit a FH volley. Great. But terrible if the ball goes to his BH: his weaker volley became much weaker because he had to undo his FH assumption. It stemmed from a desire to protect a weakness but it made that weakness that much more glaring.
 

toth

Semi-Pro
The cues that ET mentions can also be used to anticipate which side the lob will go to. But it also sounds like you're relying too much on anticipation and when you're wrong, you're in a tough spot. One suggestion is to only commit when you see the lob going up and stop prematurely positioning yourself for a FH OH.

Have someone feed you and you call out FH or BH depending on which side you think you'll intercept the lob. Don't actually hit the ball, just train your recognition. Then start making it more difficult by moving around and catching the ball with the appropriate hand [sans racquet]. Finally, real OHs.

I played doubles against a guy who would stand at the net assuming he'd hit a FH volley. Great. But terrible if the ball goes to his BH: his weaker volley became much weaker because he had to undo his FH assumption. It stemmed from a desire to protect a weakness but it made that weakness that much more glaring.
For me it is a percentage question: 1.how many point i lose if i do turn early to the fh and move back and can not take it with fh 2. or how many point i lose if i wait for the moment when i know for sure to which side schould i turn and i can not move back enough.

I naurally choise for the option, early turn for the fh smash and move back.
 
For me it is a percentage question: 1.how many point i lose if i do turn early to the fh and move back and can not take it with fh 2. or how many point i lose if i wait for the moment when i know for sure to which side schould i turn and i can not move back enough.

I naurally choise for the option, early turn for the fh smash and move back.
If I was your opponent and noticed you were setting up for a FH OH before I lobbed, you can bet I'd be targeting your BH. Even if you didn't turn prematurely, I'd be targeting your BH. So you should expect the majority of lobs to be towards the BH since that's the weaker side.

Now, this is tempered by the cues the video mentioned: the more unfavorable for my opponent, the more likely I'll be able to position myself for a FH OH.

Another thing: if you're losing points because you can't get back quickly enough, that tells me you need to work on your movement and reaction time and also maybe you're too close to the net?

Again, if you turn prematurely, you run the risk of being wrong more often than right since you know an intelligent opponent will be targeting your BH.

Watch pros: are any of them regularly turning before the lob?
 

toth

Semi-Pro
If I was your opponent and noticed you were setting up for a FH OH before I lobbed, you can bet I'd be targeting your BH. Even if you didn't turn prematurely, I'd be targeting your BH. So you should expect the majority of lobs to be towards the BH since that's the weaker side.

Now, this is tempered by the cues the video mentioned: the more unfavorable for my opponent, the more likely I'll be able to position myself for a FH OH.

Another thing: if you're losing points because you can't get back quickly enough, that tells me you need to work on your movement and reaction time and also maybe you're too close to the net?

Again, if you turn prematurely, you run the risk of being wrong more often than right since you know an intelligent opponent will be targeting your BH.

Watch pros: are any of them regularly turning before the lob?
Pros play a different game from us...
For me it is much more difficoult to smash a ball that is behind me.
 
Pros play a different game from us...
For me it is much more difficoult to smash a ball that is behind me.
I'm not pointing to pros to tell you to hit OHs at their level. I'm pointing you to pros to observe their decision-making process.

Yes, a ball that gets behind you is tougher to smash than one in front of you. But that's not what your original post was about: you were discussing whether to turn prematurely towards the FH or wait until the lob goes up.

Or are you saying that turning prematurely makes it easier to move backwards to get that deep lob? If so, OK, I'd agree. So you have to weigh that against when you guess wrong.

Again, if you're not getting to deeper lobs with an OH, perhaps you are too close to the net and additionally need to work on your footwork and anticipation.

Also, what's your range? If you're standing halfway between the net and SL, how far back can you move and still be able to hit an OH [without letting the lob bounce]?

Do you have a coach you can ask? If not, what other videos have you watched that talk about OH positioning? Do any of them recommend turning before the lob is hit?
 

xFullCourtTenniSx

Hall of Fame
This is the point: i would like to turn and move back, even before the lob is played.
If you could know the future, why work hard. Just play the lotto and pay your opponents to only lob to your forehand side.

You can narrow down the likeliness of where they are going to hit, but you can't narrow it down enough to guarantee one shot over the other unless you give up a lot of court, which is the antithesis to good positioning.
 

toth

Semi-Pro
I'm not pointing to pros to tell you to hit OHs at their level. I'm pointing you to pros to observe their decision-making process.

Yes, a ball that gets behind you is tougher to smash than one in front of you. But that's not what your original post was about: you were discussing whether to turn prematurely towards the FH or wait until the lob goes up.

Or are you saying that turning prematurely makes it easier to move backwards to get that deep lob? If so, OK, I'd agree. So you have to weigh that against when you guess wrong.

Again, if you're not getting to deeper lobs with an OH, perhaps you are too close to the net and additionally need to work on your footwork and anticipation.

Also, what's your range? If you're standing halfway between the net and SL, how far back can you move and still be able to hit an OH [without letting the lob bounce]?

Do you have a coach you can ask? If not, what other videos have you watched that talk about OH positioning? Do any of them recommend turning before the lob is hit?
I have thought after in which case how i react.
I am righty, most of my opponents are righties too with weaker bh. I used to attak their bh, and i used to see well if lob is coming. In this case i used to turn early and move back, i can take the high ball usually with my fh smash.
If i sometimes attak their fh, i do not turn early, from this position they could find my bh swing.
I meant pros play different game, if they can hit the high ball they usually win the point, not as me, for me help a lot if the high ball is a bit infront. I know my smash is to improve, unfortunately not enogh possibility to practise it...
 

toth

Semi-Pro
I am not satisfied with my smashes this was the reason of my thread. I work on my half volleys too, i think if i can improve my half volleys, i can stay a bit more back at the net, at the half of the serve boxes in the middle, as recommend is.
 
I have thought after in which case how i react.
I am righty, most of my opponents are righties too with weaker bh. I used to attak their bh, and i used to see well if lob is coming. In this case i used to turn early and move back, i can take the high ball usually with my fh smash.
If i sometimes attak their fh, i do not turn early, from this position they could find my bh swing.
I meant pros play different game, if they can hit the high ball they usually win the point, not as me, for me help a lot if the high ball is a bit infront. I know my smash is to improve, unfortunately not enogh possibility to practise it...
All of this is well and good but I think you could accomplish the same thing without turning prematurely and guessing you'll get a FH. You have to get better at reading your opponent and knowing his tendencies and perhaps stay further away from the net. I can't help you foretell the future of where the lob is going apart from the cues in that video I linked to.

You can practice your OH several ways:
- Have someone feed you lobs
- Hit against a wall: hit downward so the ball bounces a few feet from the wall, bounces up, rebounds up, and now you have another lob. After a while you can get into a consistent rhythm.
- Hit the ball up in the air to simulate a lob

People argue that the latter 2 are not ideal but if that's all you have, you might as well use it.
 
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