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Doflamingo

Professional
Any Snooker fans here?

Hoping to see Ronnie play the Masters and other tournaments thereafter since he pulled out of the UK champs even when he was the defending champ :eek:

Ronnie and Judd are my 2 fav players
 

Doflamingo

Professional
I was watching the Ronnie vs Selby WC highlights yesterday and that loss hurt the most. Ronnie was leading by a margin by the end of the first day and the next day, Selby did whatever he does and caught up. Ronnie started to come back but then he missed that PINK which was a sitter!

I wonder with him taking all these breaks lately, he's confident to repeat 2013 again. Miss all tournaments but win the WC.
 

Alex78

Hall of Fame
Another snooker fan here, will always root for the Rocket, and when he's not playing, Neil "The Thunder from Down Under" is my man.
 
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Nathaniel_Near

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Also pulled out of Champion Of Champions-which he likely would have won for the third year running.
Don't you think his form would have been off, given he hasn't been properly training? He's confirmed for the Masters.
 
Who knows? He won the world title just by rocking up having only played one tour match in a year since winning it the previous year-losing to Simon Bedford.
 

Chicharito

Hall of Fame
Hope to try and catch the SFs and F of the UK. Great run by Grace. Only earned 5k last year they said.

Re Ronnie, he has been playing exhos. Got 147s on consecutive nights and missed the last red going for his 3rd night in a row.

Exhos are just exhos though.
 
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Doflamingo

Professional
The most naturally gifted player I have ever seen play this game, 5 seasons in a row now he's been winning Triple Crown events. Wasn't his best performance today as Barry did have chances but it was decent, seven 70+ breaks and a Century. Barry doesn't have that "champion" mentality imo, like that angry passion, he always feels he's second whenever he plays against Ronnie, you'd think after having months off like Ronnie other players wouldn't fear him as much.

But damn, surpassing Davis now in Triple Crowns with 16.

5 UK
6 Masters
5 Worlds


Lol Ronnie has the chance to make 6-6-6...
 
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Nathaniel_Near

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If he makes it 6-6-6 he'd be equalling Hendry's tally of Triple Crown majors won. Hendry's 7 WSCs though is the ultimate benchmark. Only kidding, Joe Davis' 15 WSCs is the real benchmark.
 
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Nathaniel_Near

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Proven Championship calibre standard over numerous generations and over 2 decades. Longevity is proof of a great many things - Ronnie's snooker is absolute.
 

Doflamingo

Professional
Also, I feel for Judd. This guy's working his ass off trying to win the big events and accomplish his Triple Crown haul by the time he reaches 30 (Judd should be in his prime now tbh) yet keeps falling short against players that he should stomp against...while Ronnie just strolls in after 5 months or so and wins a Triple Crown event on his first return in the season by beating Williams, current No.1 Selby, current World Champion Bingham and Hawkins in the final lol

 
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Nathaniel_Near

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I think Judd is nearly there and honestly expected him to beat Hawkins and have a titanic battle with Ronnie. I still think he can have a dominant period at some point. Gotta remember, the chap is still only 26. Ronnie is 40 XD.
 

La Grande

G.O.A.T.
Can't say I've watched lots of Barry, but he didn't seem that angry. Disappointed, sure, that's natural. But hey ho, Ronnie was better by a clear margin today. Great to see a convincing win after his weird post match interview yesterday.
 
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Nathaniel_Near

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Higgins keeps fighting back and showing he's one of the greatest ever, and yet when it comes to the legacy events, once again Ronnie strolls in and widens the Triple Crown gap between himself and Higgins. #MasterOfMajors
 

Doflamingo

Professional
Yeah but other players like Ronnie at the age of 26 had 3 UK champs, 1 World and 1 Master...5 TC events, a foundation to build on while Judd currently just has 1. Tbf Judd did have to play Ronnie a lot in TC events since 2012, if you look at this, Ronnie's kind of created a wedge that hasn't allowed the newer generation like Selby, Judd to dominate.

 
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Nathaniel_Near

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Yeah but other players like Ronnie at the age of 26 had 3 UK champs, 1 World and 1 Master...5 TC events, a foundation to build on while Judd currently just has 1. Tbf Judd did have to play Ronnie a lot in TC events since 2012, if you look at this, Ronnie's kind of created a wedge that hasn't allowed the newer generation like Selby, Judd to dominate.

Yep, Ronnie got going quick and has been winning at a steady drip. I doubt Trump will ever be as great as Ronnie and he's behind Ronnie at the same age. I too noticed that Ronnie has won TC events for 5 consecutive years, which pleases me greatly. :D

Thanks for the graphic.

Now, can he win 2 in one year again (raises eyebrows)?

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The takeaway from those stats is that Ronnie has still been the best player of the last 5 years. Yes, Selby has been the #1, but Ronnie has won the most majors and the most WSCs.
 

Doflamingo

Professional
Yep, Ronnie got going quick and has been winning at a steady drip. I doubt Trump will ever be as great as Ronnie and he's behind Ronnie at the same age. I too noticed that Ronnie has won TC events for 5 consecutive years, which pleases me greatly. :D

Thanks for the graphic.

Now, can he win 2 in one year again (raises eyebrows)?

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The takeaway from those stats is that Ronnie has still been the best player of the last 5 years. Yes, Selby has been the #1, but Ronnie has won the most majors and the most WSCs.
Hehe, hopefully he wins the Worlds but that's a different beast. 16 days with multiple sessions, it will take a lot out of Ronnie and not sure if he can keep his concentration up for that many days. But with the break he's had and his short schedule anything is possible. I do think these 1 week tournaments with 19 frames suit him so I expect him to win the Welsh Open at least.

And yeah Ronnie's been the best player, he could easily have the #1 ranking if he played more ranking events but his goals are different - keep winning the majors at a steady pace and reach Hendry while the rest of the field aren't even close to it so they have to try and play all tournaments.

there are no women fans back there ?
Not in that picture but I've seen some fit birds at these games lol
 
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Nathaniel_Near

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The most important match in Ronnie O'Sullivan's career...
 

Poisoned Slice

Bionic Poster
I doff my cap to Ronnie.

''If only Bazza could have stung something together out there. Ronnie would have been toast''. Ronnie once again has earned his beans and chips.

The Icon, the showstopper, the main event.
 
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Nathaniel_Near

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Hendry wanted to win, but Ronnie wants to become perfect at the game. As such, Hendry was dominant, but Ronnie adapted. Ronnie failed to dominate but Hendry failed to adapt.

I still think Hendry is the greatest... for now.
 

Anaconda

Hall of Fame
Hendry wanted to win, but Ronnie wants to become perfect at the game. As such, Hendry was dominant, but Ronnie adapted. Ronnie failed to dominate but Hendry failed to adapt.

I still think Hendry is the greatest... for now.


I owe you an apology for the other day, I felt kind of tight after. Forgive me.





I love O'sullivan, and Trump because he's from Bristol and is entertaining. I don't think Ronnie realises how good he is; he has been winning triple crown titles for a very, very long time and has stayed relevant in the sport of Snooker. Hendry, as you said, was a force for a short period of time, but since Ronnie won his first world title, I don't actually think Hendry has won any of the triple crown events.



Don't think I've seen anyone take a year out and win the WC off the bat or take 8 months off and win the Masters off the bat.


I expect Ronnie to equal Hendry's record at the in the next 4 years. 8 is pushing it.



You think he can beat Hendry's record?
 
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Nathaniel_Near

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I owe you an apology for the other day, I felt kind of tight after. Forgive me.





I love O'sullivan, and Trump because he's from Bristol and is entertaining. I don't think Ronnie realises how good he is; he has been winning triple crown titles for a very, very long time and has stayed relevant in the sport of Snooker. Hendry, as you said, was a force for a short period of time, but since Ronnie won his first world title, I don't actually think Hendry has won any of the triple crown events.



Don't think I've seen anyone take a year out and win the WC off the bat or take 8 months off and win the Masters off the bat.


I expect Ronnie to equal Hendry's record at the in the next 4 years. 8 is pushing it.



You think he can beat Hendry's record?
I think he can and will win more Triple Crown events than Hendry did, but beating Hendry's record at the WSC, meaning to win it 8 times, seems highly unlikely to me. Him even equalling it is unlikely but I'm fishing in the dark here because we're in an era where the standard O'Sullivan's generation set hasn't been bettered - only equalled - so if Ronnie cares enough he might still have 10 years of prime left, which should yield 2-3 further WSCs.

He's on 16 "majors" now. Thinking about it, nobody new is threatening to crash the scene, so it will be the usual suspects along with Trump and Ding Junhui. I'm guessing he'll win about 22 majors by the time he's finished. Perhaps that's generous but he's very obviously still in his prime.

Perhaps you're right that Ronnie really doesn't realise how good he is and that's been a blessing in disguise, because unlike Hendry he's always adapted his game and never become complacent. He talked about how he was watching all the snooker while off the tour, studying players. I bet Hendry never did that after he was about 25 years old. Ronnie is doing it at 40.

Nothing to forgive. We can both be feisty and have strong opinions on many topics. It's often an asset.


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WSC 6
UK 7
Masters 9

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WSC 7
UK 6
Masters 9
 
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Doflamingo

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WSC 2014 against Selby was a big opportunity missed for a 6th WSC title, and that loss still hurts the most ever since I started watching snooker in 2000/2001 when I was 8/9 years old

MAN, I was GUTTED in that final...like, wow. :(:(
 
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Nathaniel_Near

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WSC 2014 against Selby was a big opportunity missed for a 6th WSC title, and that loss still hurts the most ever since I started watching snooker in 2000/2001 when I was 8/9 years old

MAN, I was GUTTED in that final...like, wow. :(:(
And many snooker fans over at the forums felt that would be the beginning of the end for Ronnie, what with him being "old" and everything and not keeping the streak going, with Hendry's record looking out of reach. Since, he's won 2 further Triple Crown events - far from done then. Ronnie can be dangerous at 50 if he manages his life well enough. He's still playing snooker at an incredibly high level, but his recent matches against Trump have concerned me somewhat, and I think he's a guy who could start shutting Ronnie out should he peak. He barely got over the line against Judd Trump at the 2014 UK Champs and he gave Ronnie a good roasting at the 2015 World Grand Prix. Granted, you can't win them all, but when Ronnie's on he has the game to crash through Selby and Robertson, but Trump plays a game that intimidates Ronnie and he can beat him at his own game. I think a lot of what happens over the next 5 years, assuming Ronnie keeps good form, depends on Judd Trump.
 
Hendry wanted to win, but Ronnie wants to become perfect at the game. As such, Hendry was dominant, but Ronnie adapted. Ronnie failed to dominate but Hendry failed to adapt.

I still think Hendry is the greatest... for now.
Hendry couldn't adapt because he had only one style of play-all out attack & when age caught up with him & his levels dropped as he was unable to keep knocking the long balls in & missing easy pots he had nothing to fall back on. Ronnie has for the last few years finally fully adopted the safety game Reardon taught him over a decade back-only thing he lacks is mental strength. I still rate Davis the best because he had the best all-round game & was able to remain a major force in the game into his fifties purely off his tactical game.
 
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Nathaniel_Near

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Davis would have had to become a better scorer in the current era as by the standards of today even at his best I'd give him like a 7 out of 10, whereas I give Ronnie at least an 8 for safety and tactics and so I'd feel happy to transport him back to the 80s and expect him to do well enough. Selby for example is a better scorer than Davis ever was and a tactician of the same calibre. I'm accounting for tables and eras - scoring has moved on. Do I believe Davis had the talent though to have been a better scorer than he was had he been born into this era though, say as a peer of Robbo and Selby? Absolutely, I believe it. He'd be #1 today. Actually, in an era of well-rounded snooker players at the top, Davis might have actually been better suited to the era than Hendry, but Hendry at his best would still blow everybody off the table if he was in his pomp now except for Ronnie if he's also firing.
 
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Nathaniel_Near

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More on Ronnie's lack of complacency in general when trying to stay relevant in the game at the highest level -----

O'Sullivan, who made breaks of 136 and 82 as he swept to victory, attributed his win to his ability to modify his game in order to remain competitive.

"I've tried to reinvent myself," he said. "I've looked at a lot of the younger players coming through - Neil Robertson, Judd Trump, Ding Junhui - and they're just such great potters and great cueists and power players.

"I decided that if I was going to challenge these players, I'd have to change my game slightly, to try and add a bit more power to it. So when you get on the black you can open the balls up and try and win the frame in one visit.

"I think that's helped. The game does move on and you've got to move with it."


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/snooker/35339925

And that's Ronnie's biggest claim as the best ever, in my view.
 
Davis would have had to become a better scorer in the current era as by the standards of today even at his best I'd give him like a 7 out of 10, whereas I give Ronnie at least an 8 for safety and tactics and so I'd feel happy to transport him back to the 80s and expect him to do well enough. Selby for example is a better scorer than Davis ever was and a tactician of the same calibre. I'm accounting for tables and eras - scoring has moved on. Do I believe Davis had the talent though to have been a better scorer than he was had he been born into this era though, say as a peer of Robbo and Selby? Absolutely, I believe it. He'd be #1 today. Actually, in an era of well-rounded snooker players at the top, Davis might have actually been better suited to the era than Hendry, but Hendry at his best would still blow everybody off the table if he was in his pomp now except for Ronnie if he's also firing.
It is hard to compare eras because it was a different game back then-the cloths were nowhere near to the standards of the modern era, they were far thicker & slower & so making tons was nowhere near as easy. Thing is with Davis he didn't need to make centuries to win-he just had to make 60 or 70 & then tie his opponent up in knots because he is comfortably the best safety game ever. Even so he is still in tenth place with 355 tons-ahead of the likes of White, Williams, Doherty, Ebdon, which is quite incredible.

I am not so sure Hendry would be top dog in this era-he paved the way for what we are seeing today & would still be a top player just on scoring, but he would more likely be like Trump-an incredible potter & break builder but just not good enough tactically. Hendry dominated because of his 9/10 long pot success rate & general potting, but in this era where there is so much more depth & so many players have those kind of success rates he wouldn't dominate.
 
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Nathaniel_Near

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It is hard to compare eras because it was a different game back then-the cloths were nowhere near to the standards of the modern era, they were far thicker & slower & so making tons was nowhere near as easy. Thing is with Davis he didn't need to make centuries to win-he just had to make 60 or 70 & then tie his opponent up in knots because he is comfortably the best safety game ever. Even so he is still in tenth place with 355 tons-ahead of the likes of White, Williams, Doherty, Ebdon, which is quite incredible.

I am not so sure Hendry would be top dog in this era-he paved the way for what we are seeing today & would still be a top player just on scoring, but he would more likely be like Trump-an incredible potter & break builder but just not good enough tactically. Hendry dominated because of his 9/10 long pot success rate & general potting, but in this era where there is so much more depth & so many players have those kind of success rates he wouldn't dominate.
And when the cloths changed to close enough to what we see today, Davis improved his scoring, especially to try and keep pace with Hendry and to move with the times, but the changes were too jarring and he never reached anything remotely near the heights of the scoring achieved in the modern day. A player can only reinvent themselves so much after they've learned the game a certain way, which is why in terms of observed level I don't think Davis could just be 'dropped in' to today and be the number 1, but I DO believe that had he been able learned his trade 10-15 years later, that he'd have the talent to be a better scorer and of course he'd still be a great tactician, so I like his chances to be the current best player in an era of well rounded players including Robbo and Selby, and indeed agree that he'd get the better of Hendry in the current landscape. It's cruel on Hendry because in many ways he did change the game but IMO the generation that came after learned to mix a good dose of Davis with a good dose of Hendry and then the following generation (Selby and co.) developed quite total games reasonably early on. Davis couldn't keep pace with Hendry and the old dog couldn't be taught enough new tricks. He was unfortunate to have the paradigm of the game shift away from what he had so thoroughly mastered, and Hendry was the chosen one to first take brutal advantage of what Snooker was to become. So, I can see why many would think Steve Davis is the greatest ever.
 
Yep-sadly Davis had passed his peak by 32-33 & although still a top player until around the age of 40 was struggling to keep up with Hendry & the new breed of the early 1990's that came through. Then came his drop out of the top 16 & then incredibly in his mid 40's his improvement to where he was able to get back in & get to the business end of majors-runner up in the 2005 UK, quarters of the world in 2005 & 2010-the latter of which he was 52.

Ronnie is really a freak to still be performing like this at 40-only Reardon was able to play at such a high level consistently in his forties & even in his early fifties-but the tour was nothing like it is nowadays in terms of opposition outside of the top guys like Spencer, Higgins & maybe a couple of others when he was at his peak.
 
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Nathaniel_Near

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I think a lot of it is Ronnie's mentality and not just his other talents. I just rewatched his winners speech from the 2004 WSC and he stated ''... and if I do carry on playing, I just wanna keep improving. That's it really.''

It seems to be more important to him than winning. Seems he genuinely searches for snooker perfection and that his study of the generations and willingness to learn from others is unusual, especially as he's now 40 but is still as malleable as ever. It's an odd psychology really but it has helped Ronnie achieve tremendous levels for a very long time. However, he wouldn't dominate any era - as in win tournie after tournie - because he's not built that way. His whole motivation seems very different to S.Davis' or Hendry's. It's certainly interesting.
 
Yep, although perfection never exists in anything-he beats himself up too much mentally striving for something that can never be attained.
 
Yep, although perfection never exists in anything-he beats himself up too much mentally striving for something that can never be attained.
Which is also his strength. No wonder he gets along very well with artists, he's certainly the snooker player with the most "artistic" view of the game.
 
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Nathaniel_Near

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Do you think Ronnie's the greatest snooker player ever Nathaniel?
No but he can be argued for as can Hendry and S.Davis.
Do you think he needs to at least equal Hendry's World Championship record?
I don't think he has to, no (for me to personally see him as the greatest that is). He's at 16 TC events right now and Hendry has 18. If he surpasses that total by a couple or more then I might be swayed, especially given Ronnie's incredulous longevity at the highest level, in which he's consistently adapted his game to meet the demands of the times. Ronnie will never have the dominance of Hendry or S.Davis. The amazing thing about Ronnie is that he's won majors over a span of more than 20 years now.
Yeah I pretty much agree although I do think he needs at least one more World Championship. With his talent he should really have a few more titles already but he's never exactly been the most professional of players over the years, certainly nowhere near as dedicated as Davis and Hendry were in their pomp and that's what ultimately might end up costing him.
Might cost him, as Hendry's stubbornness might end up costing him in these trivial GOAT matters. S.Davis has a good enough excuse, as the game was taken out of his hands quite suddenly and into Hendry's wheelhouse with changing table conditions. I think Davis did all he could.
Davis was always my favourite player and tbh I still think he has a pretty decent argument of being the greatest himself.
What's the story here? I'm not a Snooker historian and I wasn't alive in the 70's or 80's
Ronnie also has the argument of playing in a stronger era than Hendry ever did considering his prime coincided with Higgins' and Williams'.
In the late 80s the game was transitioning with much faster snooker baize being used and the transition was pretty quick also. Davis was still the best in the world for a while behind Hendry after Hendry ascended but such a change can be the difference between winning and losing. The game started to become a scorers game and Hendry was the perfect prototype for dominance for a game that would have changed regardless of his presence - meaning the changing conditions were always bound to have a profound effect on the way snooker would be played. Hendry got hauled in by some decline and also the rising class of '92 in Williams, Higgins and O'Sullivan, the latter two of which developed thorough all-round games. Hendry's stubbornness cost him in that the game he had built for the rigours of his era needed to include more contingency as the new generation ascended, and he more or less refused to master safety play and tactics. He had solid safety and tactics by all means, but he needed to take those aspects to new levels and he didn't. He dominated hard for many years and lost some hunger.
On pure level, I don't think so - and I'm trying to account for all the changes in the game and eras and competition yadda yadda. In terms of his potential to excel in any era, I had a discussion recently where we suggested that Davis born into Ronnie's era (or later) would have developed into a better scorer and still been a superb tactician, and would have been well suited to being the #1 today against similarly complete players such as Selby, Robertson, O'Sullivan, Higgins and others. On the flipside, we suggested that Hendry would struggle more in the era because beating such players on the trot with an almost purely attacking game would not be sustainable. However we were probably being unfair, becauase if Hendry came along later he'd have probably built a winning formula for a different circumstance.
Nobody will surpass Joe Davis' 15 world titles though. Or?
I think Davis' incredible safety game would have enabled him to excel in any era and it's not like he wasn't capable of being a great attacking player as well. I'm not so sure that Hendry would've achieved as much had he been born a few years later considering there are now so many more players such as the ones you mentioned who are also able to rack up century after century which would frustrate the Scot who hated sitting down for too long!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-2453073/Ronnie-OSullivan-accuses-World-Snooker-trying-stop-winning-title.html

When they installed a presumably thicker and slower cloth for the 2013 final, we saw a record number of centuries in the WSC final (tied record, Ronnie had a chance to break it in the last frame but missed one of the low value colours on 80-odd). When the tables are too fast it becomes incredibly hard to control the cueball. The sweet spot and you get centuries galore - fast enough to split the balls and recover bad position and not too fast as to be playing on ice.
Yes, but when on, Hendry is still the most brutal attacking force ever seen in Snooker, including Higgins or O'Sullivan, or Ding, Trump, White, or anyone else. Hendry was a good attacking player and potter, but would've have been a better one had he been part of the class of '92 Trifecta.
Can he still be classed as the most brutal given that Ronnie has now surpassed him for most century breaks? I guess if you're talking about a certain period of dominance then yeah, there's been nobody better.
Ronnie is the best break-builder overall, in that he constantly can make big breaks at a clip of say a 9 out of 10 rating. Peak Hendry produced more 10 out of 10 stuff though - most centuries ever at 1 WSC, most centuries in a best of 19 match.. things like that.

Go to cuetracker for more stats. You can see Ronnie gets centuries at a faster rate than Hendry and many modern day players also do the same. None of them though have bettered Hendry's best and most brutal levels of attacking play though. Hendry managed a 147 against Ronnie in a deciding frame of a significant snooker final, albeit not a ranking event (IIRC). Hendry is the most brave attacker that Snooker has seen - Ronnie gets it done in a greater variety of ways and produces the best clearances I've seen from difficult positions.

I kinda liken Hendry to Sampras and Ronnie to Federer in terms of how they played.
Hendry's also the best long ball potter I've ever seen. Man it used to frustrate me so much how many of those he used to make in his pomp. :D
Yeah. I think Hendry firing would destroy Selby almost every time. Hendry would down even most of the difficult tempters.
The guy was like a machine out there. Merciless and without feeling. :eek:
Frustrating that he lost some drive because it would have been interesting to really see him try to go at the class of '92 for longer, much like Federer has tried in tennis. Yes, he kept playing for many years after his prime but he stopped "trying". He stopped trying to improve and went backwards.
I'm glad he did Nathaniel - the guy had won more than enough already!
I always rooted against him. When Higgins became #1, I was most pleased.
Me too mate. He was to snooker in the 90s what Graf was to tennis!
Woaaaaah, I had a little look at that article, scroll down and we have a.. well a story Djokovic could relate too :)

Ronnie O'Sullivan has claimed he was offered £20,000 to fix a snooker match.

The reigning world champion writes in his new autobiography, Running, that the financial proposal was put to him by a person he knew.

The offer was not recent, with the 37-year-old saying it was made 10 years ago and concerned a match in the Premier League.

'Someone rang me and said he'd like to meet me over in the forest and have a walk through the woods,' O'Sullivan writes. 'I knew the fella, and it was someone you don't want to mess around with.

'What they were offering me, 20 grand, I could get for a couple of nights' work.'

Detailing the offer, O'Sullivan writes: ''You're playing in the Premier League,' he said. 'Yes.'

And we've got people who can put big bets on. If you lose this frame and this frame we can get enough on it to make some money. We'll give you this out of it.'

O'Sullivan turned down the offer.



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-2453073/Ronnie-OSullivan-accuses-World-Snooker-trying-stop-winning-title.html#ixzz3xlXKqvP8
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Nathaniel_Near

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@La Grande

Yeah... and Stephen Lee took the brunt of the scandal in snooker, and do you know about the whole John Higgins incident, after which he won numerous further world titles?
 
Impossible to tell as the NOTW had zero interest in going through with the cash exchange-just a headline story on the day of the WC Final. Higgins was in a position he should have never been in-trying to do what the people running the game should have been doing, trying to take the sport into new markets & create more tournaments for the players who under the Walker regime had an incredibly weak schedule & money making chances as a result.

The tournament they were discussing didn't exist & it is impossible to know whether he would have taken the cash or was legit scared thinking it was mafia & just said it to get out of there-although he didn't report the approach as he should have done, but they gave him that out in their rush for a story.
 
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