So are we entering a dark era?

[TimHenmanATG]

Correction:

A Pickleball confession

I came to know that the rec center nearest to me has open play Pickleball. So last week I landed up at lunch time dressed for tennis but with no Pickle paddle. Immediately, the "Pickle ambassadors" for the site, the husband-and-wife team of Jim and Marsha welcomed me. They asked if I could...

tt.tennis-warehouse.com

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

How about responding to the questions raised by the OP instead of just making a rude, crude personal remark? If you don’t want to discuss the topic, don’t post. Posting this as a response says a lot more about you than the OP.

What is there to be discussed? Yes it's the woatest era and dullovic plunder to the shameless enjoyment of their phans. What of it? Nothing can be done, can it?

 

[TimHenmanATG]

I guess that I'm more curious as to how you stumbled across this particular genre...

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

That's in essence my point. I'm a Nadal fan, so you draw a weird conclusion that I musn't care certain things. Whereas you, a Federer fan, for some reason are immune from this line of logic? I find you more enamored with Federer than I am with Nadal. Not only that, but you assume you hold the right to gatekeep over something as general as "level." Who made you the arbiter here? The arrogance to not only say that, but to think in this way speaks for itself. Meanwhile you're criticizing people like @MichaelNadal for being arrogant. Do you not see your own hypocrisy?

Not that I even have to address your point, but yes I do care, because tennis is a form of entertainment for me, so I have something to lose if nobody is there nobody to sustain my interest after Nadal and the rest of the Big 3 retires.

I'm past endlessly promoting 'my' player as da bestest as mikedoll does all the time, mate. I do react with disdain to such instances of confidently extolling whoever you pull for to be supreme by consistently overcrediting him to the detriment of thus undercredited opponents.

Well then, you might want to consider this as due payment for your beloved RAFA hoarding extra numbers to be proclaimed as the best in the masses' minds. Apparently it required the advent of such a terrible mugzeit that may well last for decades. Are you honestly saying you would rather prefer a turn of events where tennis remains as robust as ever but Nadal stays numerically second or even third thanks to appropriate competition? Doubt. I realise I may after all be underestimating you but I certainly struggle to believe the answer would be yes.

 

[Rattie]

What is there to be discussed? Yes it's the woatest era and dullovic plunder to the shameless enjoyment of their phans. What of it? Nothing can be done, can it?

Fine. That’s your opinion. Sneering rude personal remarks are uncalled for.

 

[thrust]

Tiebreak in 5th. It was more epic when decided by break of serve.

I think tie breaks in the fifth set makes sense, except in the Finals. A slam final should not be decided in a tiebreak.

 

[StrongRule]

I think tie breaks in the fifth set makes sense, except in the Finals. A slam final should not be decided in a tiebreak.

They don't make any sense. There were many matches which would have been ruined by a fifth set tiebreak.

 

[Permitlady]

I see so many of the great new players having to go 5 sets in the first round. gimme a break. thank you Fedalovic

 

[Third Serve]

Awpee making a show of caring about level while mentally ejaculating over godal's success, so what else is new.

this comment is certainly not your moral peak

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

this comment is certainly not your moral peak

It's what this whole situation deserves, hohoho.
This era has allowed doll to claim false supremacy and now we see certain worshippers lament the state of tennis *after* he claimed the shiny number peak. Tells us?

 

[BrokenGears]

I think this is the only year so far that neither had a great tournament nor a consistently impressive level from either Nadal or Djokovic in the slams they've won. The combination of that and the Next Gen continuation of inconsistency is why 2022 has particularly been pretty bad.

I've long said it was the 2017 Wimbledon final that truly ushered in the woat era. Up till then there was enough level to display to sate oneself, but it had been running thin for a while and came crashing quickly at last.

What is there to be discussed? Yes it's the woatest era and dullovic plunder to the shameless enjoyment of their phans. What of it? Nothing can be done, can it?

Just forgetting the arbitrary and self-serving delineation of tournaments/years when it comes to this conversation(seriously? 2017 Wimbledon?), I think the biggest problem that you and people of similar mindset(i.e. Fed fans) unironically believe phrases like " dullovic " and always only had a begrudging respect for different play styles.

Latest WO was a great example, obviously wasn't really that good of a tournament at all in its totality, but the need to discredit carried over to even Djokovic's performance in the final. Can't even manage to call that a good match.

Worst part about definitely has to be the above it all attitude and the need to pretend that base tribalism isn't motivating a lot of the sentiment.

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

Just forgetting the arbitrary and self-serving delineation of tournaments/years when it comes to this conversation(seriously? 2017 Wimbledon?), I think the biggest problem that you and people of similar mindset(i.e. Fed fans) unironically believe phrases like " dullovic " and always only had a begrudging respect for different play styles.

Latest WO was a great example, obviously wasn't really that good of a tournament at all in its totality, but the need to discredit carried over to even Djokovic's performance in the final. Can't even manage to call that a good match.

What could possibly be iffy about 2017 Wimby being the watershed / final straw, lol. That's the tournament where all of Djokovic, Murray and Wawrinka simultaneously crashed out for health reasons (Djokovic took a year to recover, Mandy and Stan never recovered to top level) and were not replaced by anyone strong to battle resurgent fedoldal. Cilic may have been able to salvage the tournament with a big performance he's occasionally been capable of, but broke down in the final instead, which was the moment of fail about to envelop the whole tennis world.

Meh, Fed lost plenty of 'good matches' while playing as well or better than Djokovic in the '22 final, and won plenty of those over opponents playing as well or better than that, too. Where's the credit? Of course, if in your world even 22vic is automatically better than decent Roddick/Hewitt because boatvak, I've no respect for that I do confess outright.

 

[BrokenGears]

What could possibly be iffy about 2017 Wimby being the watershed / final straw, lol. That's the tournament where all of Djokovic, Murray and Wawrinka simultaneously crashed out for health reasons (Djokovic took a year to recover, Mandy and Stan never recovered to top level) and were not replaced by anyone strong to battle resurgent fedoldal. Cilic may have been able to salvage the tournament with a big performance he's occasionally been capable of, but broke down in the final instead, which was the moment of fail about to envelop the whole tennis world.

I mean, you do realize that things aren't stuck in stone right? Djokovic did recover, Ned didn't collapse, and for all of the memes and ****posts, the Next Gen put up some good performances as well.

Meh, Fed lost plenty of 'good matches' while playing as well or better than Djokovic in the '22 final, and won plenty of those over opponents playing as well or better than that, too. Where's the credit? Of course, if in your world even 22vic is automatically better than decent Roddick/Hewitt because boatvak, I've no respect for that I do confess outright.

I originally didn't understand how people could have the mindset in which Fed's best years are looked at with a fine-tooth comb while just completely disregarding that framework for other players and tournaments, but it all makes sense once you realize that the " dullovic " complaints are much more serious.

How much respect do you think I should give to what essentially boils down to " muh pushovic " claims in which you mirror StrongRule in endlessly moaning about how everyone misses when they're playing Djokovic? Who do you want credit from again?

 

[Third Serve]

the Next Gen put up some good performances as well.

those exist?

 

[Jokervich]

An era where nobody is dominant.
Nobody is consistently entertaining to watch.
The top seeds regularly get upset in the first rounds of slams and masters.
Random players outside the top 20 regularly win slam and masters tournaments.
Endless train hopping when it comes to who your favorite player is.
Gasquet-level hype of all upcoming teenagers, only to turn out like Gasquet.
This continues for 5-10 years.
Spectators lose interest.
People who have watched the sport for years stop watching.
New spectators are drawn to other sports.
The decline in the popularity of tennis leads to a further decline in the quality of tennis.
Negative feedback loop.
Over the next 30 years, tennis dies a slow and painful death.
It is no longer telecast.

Is this what's going to happen, or will someone save tennis?

Without Djokovic and Nadal, we would be in a dark era. We're not quite at that stage yet, but we're getting close.

 

[BrokenGears]

those exist?

Guess not since the self-referential feedback loop in how everything feeds into the grand narrative of the Asterisk Era is incredibly strong.

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

I mean, you do realize that things aren't stuck in stone right? Djokovic did recover, Ned didn't collapse, and for all of the memes and ****posts, the Next Gen put up some good performances as well.

2019 was the last season to have all of the beak 3 uninjured for most of the season. Do you honestly think it was a historically great season regaring the quality of tennis on display? ecksdee

I originally didn't understand how people could have the mindset in which Fed's best years are looked at with a fine-tooth comb while just completely disregarding that framework for other players and tournaments, but it all makes sense once you realize that the " dullovic " complaints are much more serious.

How much respect do you think I should give to what essentially boils down to " muh pushovic " claims in which you mirror StrongRule in endlessly moaning about how everyone misses when they're playing Djokovic? Who do you want credit from again?

It's not like the feebleness of lulzgen games is only visible against boatvak/goatdoll, ha. I mean, "not top 10 in any decent times" is obviously an exaggeration, Medvedev could make an alright #5 in a solid era, but he's #1/2 instead, lel.

I don't appreciate discrediting djokodal like they are lucky to win double digit slams at all, naturally they are worthy top ATGs as well, as I said the simple point is that the recent years barely featured any historically outstanding play at all yet people still act like it's there because of the names they like to see winning.

 

[Herald]

Yes a 2002 type era that expands 10-20 years (if tennis survives that long that is). The big 3 kind of ruined even though they didn’t mean to as they were so good. But they casted a large shadow that can’t be followed

to be they need to go back in 90s conditionswhere everything is diversified so they will create a few stars out of it. If the conditions stay as such forget it because these new generations can’t physically and mentally hang from one week to the next

We've gotten through worse before. Nadal and Djokovic brought us out of a dark era, other ATGs will rise to do the same.

 

[DSH]

An era where nobody is dominant.
Nobody is consistently entertaining to watch.
The top seeds regularly get upset in the first rounds of slams and masters.
Random players outside the top 20 regularly win slam and masters tournaments.
Endless train hopping when it comes to who your favorite player is.
Gasquet-level hype of all upcoming teenagers, only to turn out like Gasquet.
This continues for 5-10 years.
Spectators lose interest.
People who have watched the sport for years stop watching.
New spectators are drawn to other sports.
The decline in the popularity of tennis leads to a further decline in the quality of tennis.
Negative feedback loop.
Over the next 30 years, tennis dies a slow and painful death.
It is no longer telecast.

Is this what's going to happen, or will someone save tennis?

The 'tiny' Carlos, the sinner, the magician Musetti on clay, will be the new Big 3.

 

[DSH]

Propaganda Era

What about the Finnish Era?

 

[DSH]

Federer’s kids will save tennis

Tennis table!