GhostofPetros
Semi-Pro
Nobody plays like Fed though. I get that he has the most sponsorships, and Barilla is totally behind the Spaghetti-Man, but people actually by and large play like Novak as well...
So basically, have we all admitted to ourselves Novak is > Fedal?
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Sunny014
Legend
Nadal has 20 slams because of 13 on 1 Surface, without that surface he has what ?
For the record Nadal has less AOs than Sampras, less USOs than Sampras, less wimbledons than Sampras, less WTFs than Sampras, significantly less weeks at 1 compared to Sampras, has never played on carpets.
So outside clay he is even below Sampras, how can this be compensated ?
He will need more slams outside clay to compensate this, good luck doing that.
Nah,
Without Nadal, Fed would have won all 4 slams a year at least 2 times.
The slowing down of courts favored all 3 Fed Novak and Nadal but mostly Nadal. In another era he would have not won AO Wimb and USO.
Without Nadal, Fed would have won all 4 slams a year at least 2 times.
The slowing down of courts favored all 3 Fed Novak and Nadal but mostly Nadal. In another era he would have not won AO Wimb and USO.
Beckerserve
Legend
Thanks for the mention. I felt left out.
20-20-19...game on.
Lets see how it plays out.
Gotta give Novak credit, he's a great champion, grinds out the wins and is just one Slam behind Federer and Nadal. He's won at least 2 of every Slam and beaten Nadal twice at Roland Garros. He could be judged the best across all surfaces so with his Slam distribution and he's halfway to the Grand Slam for 2021 as well.
GhostofPetros
Semi-Pro
Which is the point. Fed had a laughably, historically weak era where one player was capable of beating him. Nole has played with at least 2 players his equal, and a smattering of young talent that can beat him (and Fedal) on their day.
TopspintheTerrible
Hall of Fame
Yes TennisTV & the Tennis warehouse forum will still talk about him, no argument there.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
Now that it is has happened, Djokovic has a strong case for the greatest tennis player of all time. The double career Slam, Nole Slam, most weeks at #1, tied with most YE #1's, 5 WTFs and double career Masters is too much to be ignored. The cherry on top is his head to against his main two rivals.
GhostofPetros
Semi-Pro
Do you think that if you just say things, that makes them fact? No one of any importance or significance agrees with you. You might as well say the sky is green. No one is listening to you.
Sunny014
Legend
Nole had to beg before Becker to improve his grass game after he was having just 1 slam on his 27th birthday, isn't that pathetic?
Do you think he would have had the luxury to win 4 slams from 27 onwards on Grass with 2 young ATGs below him in the immediate next gen aged 5-6 years younger ???
Only turf where Nole was great from day 1 was on HCs like Fed and it is there where he is comparable to Federer.
Do you think he would have had the luxury to win 4 slams from 27 onwards on Grass with 2 young ATGs below him in the immediate next gen aged 5-6 years younger ???
Only turf where Nole was great from day 1 was on HCs like Fed and it is there where he is comparable to Federer.
GhostofPetros
Semi-Pro
I agree. Fed has 7 real slams.
Guys from Fed's era own Djokodal
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
Remember when the TTW gurus were laughing at the idea of him getting 2 slams?
2 Slams this year? Lol yea I remember. Now he has a good chance to get more than 2.
Phoenix1983
G.O.A.T.
Novak Djokovic trails Fedal in slams, so no, I don’t consider him greater than them yet.
GhostofPetros
Semi-Pro
Lol my favorite counterargument, as if 4-5 compares to 16-24, or 23-27 with 6-11 in slam matches
Beckerserve
Legend
If Nadal wins slam race he is greatest. If Federer does he is greatest. If Djokovic does he is. That is called competitive sport.
I am happy to let it play out. If you want to give up at this stage lol then that is your choice. Doubt Djokovic will. Or Rafa. Or Roger.
Game on Bud.
ValenOuteRF
New User
Pretty much. Same way Maradona will always be greater than Pele even though Pele has 3 World Cups, for example.LeBron can win 10 rings & you’ll still never convince anybody he’s better than Jordan. And maybe he would be but honestly nobody would give a sh*t either. Same goes for Djokovic. Outside of Serbia & apart from his club level pusher fans, nobody cares. In 10 years people will still be talking about 2008 Wimby, 2017 AusOpen & Nadal’s 13 RG titles. And Djokovic will be remembered as a consistent player who got really angry often & hit a line judge.
Congrats on 19 though
Beckerserve
Legend
Djokovic fans are throwing in the towel it seems.
Lets see how it plays out. No point arguing about who is best now. Too close to call. We will know in 4-12 months though.
What a sad, bitter take. As a Djokodal fan who admires Fed though I'm not a fan of his, I find your stand extremely blinkered, shows to me you aren't a true lover of the game.LeBron can win 10 rings & you’ll still never convince anybody he’s better than Jordan. And maybe he would be but honestly nobody would give a sh*t either. Same goes for Djokovic. Outside of Serbia & apart from his club level pusher fans, nobody cares. In 10 years people will still be talking about 2008 Wimby, 2017 AusOpen & Nadal’s 13 RG titles. And Djokovic will be remembered as a consistent player who got really angry often & hit a line judge.
Congrats on 19 though
People who love TENNIS as a sport as opposed to camps of player, you think they don't appreciate several other matches than the ones you've cherry picked above? What about the 2012 AO final, 2013 RG Semi, 2014 and 2015 Wimbledon finals, 2018 Wimbledon Semi, 2010 and 2011 USO semis?
You don't want to acknowledge these great matches, you don't want to acknowledge that each of the Big 3 is fabulous and talented in their own right. And YOU have the gall to term other fans as "club level pushers". Take a long, hard look at your own attitude, your post is that of a camp adherent and not that of a tennis lover.
Lol my favorite counterargument, as if 4-5 compares to 16-24, or 23-27 with 6-11 in slam matches
Ownership is ownership. Fed era guys past prime destroyed Nadal at his peak. Fed faced much tougher competition than these next gen nothings. Djokodal stats all inflated.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
No way can Nadal be considered greater than him now. Federer stilll has an argument although it's not as strong as it once was.
Fedal trails in double career grand slams, weeks at No. 1, golden Masters, and non-career calendar slams.
And you already knew this.
ForehandCross
G.O.A.T.
I don't see any argument for Federer, tbh.
In terms of ability each of the three are evenly matched.
But in terms of results and actual play, Novak has surpassed both.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
It's small but he has 1 more Slam and 1 more WTF, plus 300+ weeks at #1 and dominance from 2004-2007. But right now, Djokovic has had the best career of the 3.
eagletennis
Semi-Pro
Nope. For most fans is championships. In the case of country club sports like golf and tennis is majors. So no he is still not GOAT he needs to get to 20.
Phoenix1983
G.O.A.T.
I’ll accept him as GOAT with 21 slams.
If Novak Djokovic fans are so certain of their man’s brilliance, then he should get there soon enough and secure my vote as the greatest (despite my animosity towards him).
GhostofPetros
Semi-Pro
One slam is the only partially valid point. Nobody cares about WTF, its not nearly the tournament it used to be.
How delusional can you get, you bitter, vile person? Why on earth would Novak fans throw in the towel on the day he has won a famous, electrifying victory and become the first man in the open era to win each slam twice??
You are vicious and insecure, and frankly, as a fan of both Novak and Rafa, I find your posts one the most distasteful on the forum. You are one of the worst trolls out here, it's pitiable.
And also this guy ...
The current world #1, Novak Djokovic, has proclaimed victorious of today's final of Belgrade 2. The Serbian comfortably defeated Alex Moican (#255) to win his first Belgrade 2 title. Djokovic played solid tennis during the week, losing only 1 set in the whole tournament.
This title represents Novak's 83th in his career and his 10th ATP 250 title!
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
Sport's ok though and I won't group him in with those other 3 or 4.
Beckerserve
Legend
Exactly. I am simply saying game on bring it. Not sure what the controversy is.I’ll accept him as GOAT with 21 slams.
If Novak Djokovic fans are so certain of their man’s brilliance, then he should get there soon enough and secure my vote as the greatest (despite my animosity towards him).
Perhaps you and I are more in tune with professional sportsmen mindset?
Nah.
It's over for Nadal.
Novak is already ahead of Nadal: Better slams distribution MS 1000 WTF number of weeks as number 1
But won't be easy for any of them Tsitsipas Zverev Sinner Alcaraz etc etc are pushing.
It's over for Nadal.
Novak is already ahead of Nadal: Better slams distribution MS 1000 WTF number of weeks as number 1
But won't be easy for any of them Tsitsipas Zverev Sinner Alcaraz etc etc are pushing.
eagletennis
Semi-Pro
It doesn't matter. You can have that conversation all you want. When ESPN graphics flash on the screen in 99/100 cases it will be number of GS. Everything else is tiebreaker. This is same for golf and tennis. He is almost there but not yet
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
I mean I'm just comparing the two and saying where he has a small argument. WTF is an important tournament though.
Beckerserve
Legend
Djokinho
Rookie
LeBron can win 10 rings & you’ll still never convince anybody he’s better than Jordan. And maybe he would be but honestly nobody would give a sh*t either. Same goes for Djokovic. Outside of Serbia & apart from his club level pusher fans, nobody cares. In 10 years people will still be talking about 2008 Wimby, 2017 AusOpen & Nadal’s 13 RG titles. And Djokovic will be remembered as a consistent player who got really angry often & hit a line judge.
Congrats on 19 though
James and Jordan did not compete with each other.
When there is competition, history changes. See LeBron x Kobe.
Federer can't be GOAT being made from the punching bag of his biggest opponents. Jordan was a big winner, he dominated. Federer no. The difference in hype over Federer today and in 2015 is huge.
TopspintheTerrible
Hall of Fame
I don’t really care all that much tbh. I wanted Tsitsipas to win because it would have been cool to see a new slam winner.
The reality is the most press coverage Novak ever received was when he hit the lineperson. And the 2nd most coverage was when he hosted the Adria tour & caught Covid. Those are really the only times people outside the tennis world cared about Djokovic. So I’m just not sold on the idea he’ll still be massively relevant after he retires.
roysid
Legend
I would say yes. With this years AO and FO wins, and also the past wins of W 2018, 19 over very close matches against Rafa and Roger hes cemented it.
All Grand slams 2 times over, most #1 weeks and definitely all GS record. So yes
Aabye5
G.O.A.T.
Yes! The NextGen are starting to pull their weight in these Slams. Even if they don't win Wimbledon, I think they are going to spoil someone's day. Nole is one away from 20, Rafa and Roger one away from 21, Muzzah on home soil, Stan could get the missing Slam, and everyone else is looking for their 1st ('cept Marin and Domi). I am excited....there are not enough exclamation points to convey it in text
TTW - Are you ready?
Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
Impossible. Fedal’s got 40 slams, and Nole only 19. He must wait.
Well, you don't seem to follow much press, then. Novak gets plenty of attention for his victories. You don't like his wins so you don't want to focus on them, and want to deny his relevance as an ATG, that's on you. Your right, your choice, ofc. Just don't pretend it's a global phenomenon.
GhostofPetros
Semi-Pro
TopspintheTerrible
Hall of Fame
42,000 people payed to see Federer play an exhibition vs Zverev in MEXICO a little over a yr ago.
NoleIsBoat
Hall of Fame
Spot on as usual
Djokovic doesn’t need “without Nadal” - he went out and beat him twice at his pet slam, and Fed 3 times
Fed actively needed Nadal and Djokovic injured so he could vulture and win slams in 09 & 17-18, where as Novak just goes out and destroys his in form main rivals.
And the same people showing this ESPN graphic will not agree with a word you just said (unless you have the TV on mute and make up your own commentary)
As it stands now, Djokovic is GOAT.
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