So, Carlo's absymal form on HC continues?

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What's wrong with Carlos HC game? Has he maxed out already or players have figured it out? As a Sinner fan I want him to do well and meet Sinner in USO final but the way he has been playing on HC I doubt he makes beyond qf lol. His serve seems ineffective on HC, his point construction and shot selection is suspect, he's losing games he should have won . In a nutshell, he's playing same tennis he was playing at 19. If I was a Carlos fan I would be worried since 2 slams are on HC . What do you sons think about his HC form post Wimbledon 2023? What changes he should make in his game? Should he fire JCF? Discuss
 
Aussie Darcy said:
Didn't Sinner just lose to Rublev in the QF's in Canada? And he's never gone past the QF's at the US Open while Alcaraz is a former champion of that slam and the holder of 2 slams right now?

Why are you assuming Sinner is making the US Open final? Lol
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These reactionary jerks (who do not take into account any context that could persuade them away from hideous takes) do amuse me. May whatever happen happen, but I have a feeling Alcaraz will do a tad bit better than what these profoundly dumb takes imply.
 
FeroBango said:
These reactionary jerks do amuse me. May whatever happen happen, but I have a feeling Alcaraz will do a tad bit better than what these profoundly dumb takes imply.
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Yeah sure , this is dumb take and there's nothing wrong with his HC game , nothing to fix. It's just his HC form has been absymal ( except IW) is just a coincidence. One HC trophy in last 12 months is such a low bar for future GOAT lmao. Getting beaten by a washed up clownfils is not a good look but it's nothing new , his form on HC has been bang average since Wimbledon 2023.
 
NeutralFan said:
Yeah sure , this is dumb take and there's nothing wrong with his HC game , nothing to fix. It's just his HC form has been absymal ( except IW) is just a coincidence. One HC trophy in last 12 months is such a low bar for future GOAT lmao. Getting beaten by a washed up clownfils is not a good look but it's nothing new , his form on HC has been bang average since Wimbledon 2023.
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Sure bro Sinner bro cygs 2025 bro
 
I'm only a little less critical of Karl than Kral amongst his fans but I have zero interest in bad faith arguments with the thick headed posters here.

I.e, lol I'm not gonna discuss the nuances of this game of his with, say, a dking. Waste of time. Time is precious.
 
In my opinion Sinner is the favourite for us open. His ball striking is amazing and he moves even better on hard.

Carlos will likely have a run but he’s more rushed on hard courts. I see him losing to one of sinner, Djokovic, meddy or Zverev. He can be vulnerable to others too but especially them.

I think Carlos will have a good domination run on grass and maybe clay but hard courts will prove more challenging.
 
Djokovic_is_the_best#1 said:
He does struggle on hard court and the faster hard court surfaces more. There is a pattern here. After Wimbledon last year he fell away in 2023.

I don’t see him winning the us open or dominating the fall season.
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Yeah and only HC tournament he won plays like Clay ( high bounce) he needs to figure it out soon, saying nothing wrong with his HC game is burying head in sand. Two slams on HC is not looking good for his future resume. He gotta mould his game if he wants to compete on HC for bigger prizes.
 
FeroBango said:
These reactionary jerks (who do not take into account any context that could persuade them away from hideous takes) do amuse me. May whatever happen happen, but I have a feeling Alcaraz will do a tad bit better than what these profoundly dumb takes imply.
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I mean to be fair this time there seems to me some fraction of an honest discussion, talking about shot selection and such instead of the normal teeth discourse
 
Djokovic_is_the_best#1 said:
He does struggle on hard court and the faster hard court surfaces more. There is a pattern here. After Wimbledon last year he fell away in 2023.

I don’t see him winning the us open or dominating the fall season.
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But the thing is, Alcaraz fans aren't saying he will dominate the USO and 'fall season'. Yet people here are saying Sinner will win USO & WTF and the AO. I don't even need to tell you who i'm referring too lol.

Alcaraz has already won 2 of the 3 slams this year and the person i'm referring to said Sinner would win the CYGS this year and embarrassed himself when that failed constantly..
 
RS said:
Neither Sinner or Alcaraz winning USO calling it
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The meltdown will be more glorious if that’s the case. Old Djokovic tying the open era record or meddy/Zverev/Tsitsipas type player winning causes more meltdowns here in my view.

I’m all for it. Probably sinner winning causes bigger meltdown too. I think only Alcaraz winning keeps a lot more happy here as he meant to be the chosen one to track down big 3 records but I don’t think it will be that easy and hard courts will prove a challenge.
 
InsuranceMan said:
I mean to be fair this time there seems to me some fraction of an honest discussion
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Nah, seen enough of this nonsense here.
It won't take too long before he resorts to a lol teeth is a HC sux.

Pointless. I'm open to a good faith argument but one where you do NOT consider the past three months at all, and his immediate shift to NA HC after Olympics plus Channel Slam, is barely an argument at all -- especially when Sinner is shoehorned in here to be waiting him at the USO final, nevermind that Sinner himself lost to Rublev last week.
 
Djokovic_is_the_best#1 said:
In my opinion Sinner is the favourite for us open. His ball striking is amazing and he moves even better on hard.

Carlos will likely have a run but he’s more rushed on hard courts. I see him losing to one of sinner, Djokovic, meddy or Zverev. He can be vulnerable to others too but especially them.

I think Carlos will have a good domination run on grass and maybe clay but hard courts will prove more challenging.
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The guy who just lost to Rublev in Canada and didn't even play the Olympics is the favourite? At least the other top players had the excuse of going from French clay to North American hard court for their poor losses. But Sinner took time off with his "tonsillitis" while he was hooking up with Kalinskaya in Italy and then embarrassed himself in Canada.

How is he the favourite? I'd dare say Novak is more of a favourite for the USO than the dude who's never gone beyond the QF in New York.
 
Aussie Darcy said:
But the thing is, Alcaraz fans aren't saying he will dominate the USO and 'fall season'. Yet people here are saying Sinner will win USO & WTF and the AO. I don't even need to tell you who i'm referring too lol.

Alcaraz has already won 2 of the 3 slams this year and the person i'm referring to said Sinner would win the CYGS this year and embarrassed himself when that failed constantly..
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Sinner is a strong contender for these tournaments. I don’t think most are saying he’s a lock even the OP. I do at his best Sinner has the game on hard courts to rack up a few HC slams but needs to stay fit.
 
Djokovic_is_the_best#1 said:
The meltdown will be more glorious if that’s the case. Old Djokovic tying the open era record or meddy/Zverev/Tsitsipas type player winning causes more meltdowns here in my view.

I’m all for it. Probably sinner winning causes bigger meltdown too. I think only Alcaraz winning keeps a lot more happy here as he meant to be the chosen one to track down big 3 records but I don’t think it will be that easy and hard courts will prove a challenge.
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I'll not talk about Sinner here since this thread is not about Sinner and cocky Carlos fans will derail the thread. Tbh Carlos has lots of potential but he needs someone to tell him how to play percentage tennis , work on shot selection and have controlled agression.
 
Aussie Darcy said:
But the thing is, Alcaraz fans aren't saying he will dominate the USO and 'fall season'. Yet people here are saying Sinner will win USO & WTF and the AO. I don't even need to tell you who i'm referring too lol.

Alcaraz has already won 2 of the 3 slams this year and the person i'm referring to said Sinner would win the CYGS this year and embarrassed himself when that failed constantly..
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Yep. He's just being contrarian for no reason. I'm neither hyping him for the upcoming tournaments nor worried. Even after getting cooked at Cinci last year, he still played wonderfully to reach the USO SF. He may or may not repeat it the result but I'm simply not going to be a reactionary nut at this minute.
 
Alcaraz has just as many slams as Sinner on hard courts and more masters but, sure, he's the one that struggles on HC's and yes this thread is also about Sinner because it's always the Sinner fans making these claims.

Alcaraz played a horrible match and he hasn't taken multiple Hard Court slams but outside of his struggles late last season he generally goes deep in most HC tournaments. "Abysmal" to describe his HC form is a laughable take.
 
NYTennisfan said:
Alcaraz has just as many slams as Sinner on hard courts and more masters but, sure, he's the one that struggles on HC's an yes this thread is also about Sinner because it's always the Sinner fans making these claims.

Alcaraz played a horrible match and he hasn't taken multiple Hard Court slams but outside of his struggles late last season he generally goes deep in most HC tournaments. "Abysmal" to describe his HC form is a laughable take.
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To pretend this is a good faith argument is plain silly. And then there are other posters saying he's not going to sweep the upcoming season. Like sure, who was claiming it in the first place?
 
Djokovic_is_the_best#1 said:
Sinner is a strong contender for these tournaments. I don’t think most are saying he’s a lock even the OP. I do at his best Sinner has the game on hard courts to rack up a few HC slams but needs to stay fit.
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Sinner just lost in Canada to Rublev and has no reason for doing so. All the top guys who played the Olympics went from French clay to North American hard court had a legit reason while the #1 didn't. The dude has never gone past the QF in New York. He hasn't shown any dominant hard court form despite what his fans say. He LITERALLY lost to Alcaraz in Indian Wells.

I'm not saying he's not a contender but the way his fans attack Alcaraz as the OP has done here is pathetic.
 
FeroBango said:
Yep. He's just being contrarian for no reason. I'm neither hyping him for the upcoming tournaments nor worried. Even after getting cooked at Cinci last year, he still played wonderfully to reach the USO SF. He may or may not repeat it the result but I'm simply not going to be a reactionary nut at this minute.
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As usual you're being dishonest. This thread is neither about who is going to win what and what not. Thread is about what's wrong with his HC game since results are very poor for someone who is deemed as the next best thing. If you want to argue you can argue about his game but it looks like more of a case of burying your head in sand and seeing nothing wrong.
 
NeutralFan said:
As usual you're being dishonest. This thread is neither about who is going to win what and what not. Thread is about what's wrong with his HC game since results are very poor for someone who is deemed as the next best thing. If you want to argue you can argue about his game but it looks like more of a case of burying your head in sand and seeing nothing wrong.
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You used the word abysmal even though Alcaraz has slayed your boy Sinner in pretty much every category already despite being 2 years younger. LMAO.

Keep embarrassing yourself king.
 
The OP is suggesting Alcaraz is the golden boy. I agree in the sense he gets a free pass more than others with bad performances due to his fast start in slams, seem as heir to big 3 throne, media darling and many fans jumped on his bandwagon.

He doesn’t get as much hate on his poor displays and it usually he will come good. He might again but he’s right that the trend on hard courts is a bit worrying over last year or so.

I feel the majority of this site will not be happy if Alcaraz doesn’t win. A lot of pressure on golden boy shoulders. It weird but it feels like Sinner, old Djokovic and Zverev/meddy are the villains here.
 
NYTennisfan said:
Alcaraz has just as many slams as Sinner on hard courts and more masters but, sure, he's the one that struggles on HC's and yes this thread is also about Sinner because it's always the Sinner fans making these claims.

Alcaraz played a horrible match and he hasn't taken multiple Hard Court slams but outside of his struggles late last season he generally goes deep in most HC tournaments. "Abysmal" to describe his HC form is a laughable take.
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Well he won his slam 2 years ago and I am talking about his HC form in last 12 months, his results are okay for a top 10 players but for the next big thing? Sorry!! His only win came on HC that plays like Clay. Can we discuss what's wrong with his game or what he should be doing or what he shouldn't be instead of just making it a Sinner vs Carlos?
 
NeutralFan said:
Well he won his slam 2 years ago and I am talking about his HC form in last 12 months, his results are okay for a top 10 players but for the next big thing? Sorry!! His only win came on HC that plays like Clay. Can we discuss what's wrong with his game or what he should be doing or what he shouldn't be instead of just making it a Sinner vs Carlos?
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How did Sinner go at that 2024 CYGS you declared constantly? And then when he failed at winning the French and he went into Wimbledon having won Halle and you said he'd win there, how did that go babe?

:)
 
NeutralFan said:
As usual you're being dishonest. This thread is neither about who is going to win what and what not. Thread is about what's wrong with his HC game since results are very poor for someone who is deemed as the next best thing. If you want to argue you can argue about his game but it looks like more of a case of burying your head in sand and seeing nothing wrong.
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Shall we compare the HC GOAT's resume to the one whose results are "very poor"? The "very poor" HC player has a HC slam and three HC Masters while the GOAT has a HC Slam and one HC Masters title. Lets discuss...
 
Aussie Darcy said:
Sinner just lost in Canada to Rublev and has no reason for doing so. All the top guys who played the Olympics went from French clay to North American hard court had a legit reason while the #1 didn't. The dude has never gone past the QF in New York. He hasn't shown any dominant hard court form despite what his fans say. He LITERALLY lost to Alcaraz in Indian Wells.

I'm not saying he's not a contender but the way his fans attack Alcaraz as the OP has done here is pathetic.
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Where did i attack Carlos in this thread? Stop taking wrong drug
 
NYTennisfan said:
Shall we compare the HC GOAT's resume to the one whose results are "very poor"? The "very poor" HC player has a HC slam and three HC Masters while the GOAT has a HC Slam and one HC Masters title. Lets discuss...
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It seems you deliberately read it wrongly. Thread is about last 12 months and yeah compare their results ( even though thread is not about Sinner)
 
NYTennisfan said:
Shall we compare the HC GOAT's resume to the one whose results are "very poor"? The "very poor" HC player has a HC slam and three HC Masters while the GOAT has a HC Slam and one HC Masters title. Lets discuss...
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The guy literally has Sinner in the USO finals shoehorned in yet we can't take shots at this existence of OP which hinges on bad faith arguments.
 
NeutralFan said:
Yeah and only HC tournament he won plays like Clay ( high bounce) he needs to figure it out soon, saying nothing wrong with his HC game is burying head in sand. Two slams on HC is not looking good for his future resume. He gotta mould his game if he wants to compete on HC for bigger prizes.
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Alcaraz will figure it out. He is that good. I don't think even you believe the stuff you are saying. Lot of posts that will get bumped in the future I believe.
 
Djokovic_is_the_best#1 said:
He was against monfils. The worst match of his career he said.
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Doesn't mean anything though. He has just come off a tough summer winning 2 slams and capturing a silver medal, then took a little break and got caught out in a poor match. This is not a huge deal at all, and he has proven in the past losses like these he shakes off quickly.
 
FeroBango said:
The guy literally has Sinner in the USO finals shoehorned in yet we can't take shots at this existence of OP which hinges on bad faith arguments.
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Yeah good faith argument is burying head in sand over his HC form since last year. Even good fans like kral admitted it and didn't shy away from discussing but i forgot you're a fanboy and to a fanboy everything is just perfect and there's nothing to change.
 
RF-18 said:
Alcaraz will figure it out. He is that good. I don't think even you believe the stuff you are saying. Lot of posts that will get bumped in the future I believe.
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He might but I still think there is a flaw with him on hard courts. The OP makes some good points to be fair.

His record on HC over the last year and half haven’t been good bar Indian wells. That isn’t really like proper HC anyway.

I do feel he’s more error prone on it, doesn’t move as great and his game less suited. He might figure it out but their are certainly questions to be asked as we enter us open.

The surface matters and he’s nowhere near as dominant on hard courts compared to grass.
 
RF-18 said:
Doesn't mean anything though. He has just come off a tough summer winning 2 slams and capturing a silver medal, then took a little break and got caught out in a poor match. This is not a huge deal at all, and he has proven in the past losses like these he shakes off quickly.
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We will see. I will be a little surprised if he wins the us open. I don’t expect it as I think they’re a few players on hard courts if they in form can knock him out. As I said before he won’t dominate everything.

He’s very good but people putting him on a pedestal as the GOAT in waiting is a bit premature.
 
NeutralFan said:
What's wrong with Carlos HC game? Has he maxed out already or players have figured it out? As a Sinner fan I want him to do well and meet Sinner in USO final but the way he has been playing on HC I doubt he makes beyond qf lol. His serve seems ineffective on HC, his point construction and shot selection is suspect, he's losing games he should have won . In a nutshell, he's playing same tennis he was playing at 19. If I was a Carlos fan I would be worried since 2 slams are on HC . What do you sons think about his HC form post Wimbledon 2023? What changes he should make in his game? Should he fire JCF? Discuss
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Way too early, the guy had the most emotional two plus months of his career so far. He is still hung over from that gold medal match. It is better to see where he stands after USO.
 
NeutralFan said:
Yeah good faith argument is burying head in sand over his HC form since last year. Even good fans like kral admitted it and didn't shy away from discussing but i forgot you're a fanboy and to a fanboy everything is just perfect and there's nothing to change.
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The sick irony of you trying to criticize someone as a fanboy when you are the worst fan of a player i've seen in the entirety of my duration of this forum in the last 9 years. The way you have bullied Alcaraz for so long and overhyped Sinner has been awful.

You have constantly bullied Alcaraz for his teeth and calling him a brat millennial was disgusting and you have no shame and not even apologized for it. You have been nothing short of disgusting. And this thread has continued your trend.
 
Djokovic_is_the_best#1 said:
We will see. I will be a little surprised if he wins the us open. I don’t expect it as I think they’re a few players on hard courts if they in form can knock him out. As I said before he won’t dominate everything.

He’s very good but people putting him on a pedestal as the GOAT in waiting is a bit premature.
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Threads such as this exist waaaaaay more than threads anointing his Goathood. In fact I remember even you making such claims. We all say a bunch of things we don't truly mean here, don't we?
 
NeutralFan said:
True, but I was talking about last 12 months.
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I understand, but I am trying to explain the continues part.

Monfils didn't do anything special, and didn't really show us anything that would be exploited. Alcaraz clearly was mentally off, the way he smashed his racket should be the strong indicator of where his mind is at....he is probably replaying that tie break again and again in his head, what he could have done differently, how he coughed up two UFEs that basically gave Djokovic four MPs...
 
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