So Federer mentions court speed after loss...

junior74

G.O.A.T.
And he had to compare to himself when giving praise?

His humblebragging never ends.
He answered a question.

- He's talked about idolizing you. Can you see a bit of yourself in him?
- Yeah, I mean, I guess so. He has a one-handed backhand and I used to have long hair, too. Yeah, so maybe a little bit, sure.
 
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TheGhostOfAgassi

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He does it before, during and right after it. Please, just clarify: is Nadal healthy now? We need to know now, not before whatever happens next Sunday.
He will tell us if he gets injured.
Not waiting two months after crappy play and say it. Like that was an excuse. Since Federer played just as crappy and maybe even worse when he (maybe) isn’t injures
Same w mono. Told it after
While Søderling who actually had real mono lost his career.
 

NuBas

Legend
I watched some highlights and conditions definitely looked slower. Roger's shots were not as penetrating.

Players said they liked the livelier balls but once it fluffs it plays much slower.
 

Gary Duane

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Bottom line is that it was an ugly loss for Fed, so all of us who had hopes of his having another miracle slam are disappointed. But my take is that if he HAD to get knocked out, this is more or less a best case scenario. He was defeated by a young guy who seems to have the complete package and who could continue to be a contender this year in all events. What is curious is why even Fed fans aren't on this young guy's bandwagon, because his play is very Fed like.
 
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Bottom line is that it was an ugly loss for Fed, so all of us who had hopes of his having another miracle slam are disappointed. But my take is that if he HAD to get knocked out, this is more or less a best case scenario. He was defeated by a young guy who seems to have the complete package and who could continue to be a contender this year in all events. What is curious is why even Fed fans aren't on this young guy's bandwagon, because his play is very Fed like.
I think that will happen more and more, Federer's game lives on through Tsitsipas's game. I am glad the young Greek had stepped into the big leagues today.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Federer made so many unusual errors that it is hard not to see age as a factor, but if slams were Bo3 he would still be in the mix.

Tsitsipas does seem to out-Federer Dimitrov and he looks like a Greek version of Borg, but I fear my interest in tennnis is waning with the changing of the guard.

Bottom line is that it was an ugly loss for Fed, so all of us who had hopes of his having another miracle slam are disappointed. But my take is that if he HAD to get knocked out, this is more or less a best case scenario. He was defeated by a young guy who seems to have the complete package and who could continue to be a contender this year in all events. What is curious is why even Fed fans aren't on this young guy's bandwagon, because his play is very Fed like.
 
Bottom line is that it was an ugly loss for Fed, so all of us who had hopes of his having another miracle slam are disappointed. But my take is that if he HAD to get knocked out, this is more or less a best case scenario. He was defeated by a young guy who seems to have the complete package and who could continue to be a contender this year in all events. What is curious is why even Fed fans aren't on this young guy's bandwagon, because his play is very Fed like.
Stupid loopy shots and cheating BS Russian
 

Gary Duane

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Federer made so many unusual errors that it is hard not to see age as a factor, but if slams were Bo3 he would still be in the mix.

Tsitsipas does seem to out-Federer Dimitrov and he looks like a Greek version of Borg, but I fear my interest in tennnis is waning with the changing of the guard.
I thought the same thing last night, because I never miss a Fed match and don't feel nearly as passionate about the other members of the Big Three. That said, who was playing well with a Fed-like style before this? Who was a true contender for majors? Obviously Nadal and Djokovic, for the most part, both with two handers and a far more grinding style.

I could get passionate about tennis again if there were more of the younger guys playing with the Tsitsi and Shaop style, but I have zero faith that Shapo is going to win big. Maybe he will improve, probably not. And I can't think of another young guy who is going to come in and float around the court in the old Fed style.

But I have to say that young Stefanos is already a thing of beauty to watch when in full flow, so at least I can hope that he will win big in the future.
 
This is a poor excuse for a thread.

So MENTIONING court speed is an excuse? How many times do other players including the Nadal mention court speed, conditions, injuries etc? mentioning something isn't saying you lost because of it, certainly not court speed because both players deal with the same court speed so it's not like mentioning an injury which only effects you. It's normal to mention conditions or if you were struggling to play a certain shot because the way the ball was reacting, there's plenty of times players mention being about to play well because of conditions too. So over analysing everything in an effort to have a go at certain players

His presser was actually a pretty good one, didn't complain about the crowd either like a lot of players might (Djokovic for instance)
Nothing wrong with that presser. Really excellent considering the circumstance. Roger is a class act, even if he isn't my particular favorite.
 
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He does it before, during and right after it. Please, just clarify: is Nadal healthy now? We need to know now, not before whatever happens next Sunday.
This shows how rusty Federer is, he needs to watch more of Nadal and sees how he does it. I guess only if you say it straight away it counts....but if Fed did that, then you would hear about him taking credit away straight away, not letting the winner enjoy his moment and the whole nine yards....

It is truly laughable when any Nadal fan who is also a Fed hater points a finger at Federer using the injury card, when Nadal is the king of injures. Says he was fine after losing to Soderling at RG, and then a few days later, knee was injured....loses to Rosol at W....knee was injured....loses to Darcis....knee was injured....loses to Kygrios....the bad back....lose to Wawrinka....back injured....loses to Murray at USO....a little bit tired, no? Loses to Gonzalez...pain in my famous @$$...Loses to Murray at AO...knee injured...and on and on we go....

And I am not saying Nadal wasn't injured, but that doesn't mean Federer wasn't injured either, or is only Nadal meant to be injured? LOL
 

augustobt

Legend
He will tell us if he gets injured.
Not waiting two months after crappy play and say it. Like that was an excuse. Since Federer played just as crappy and maybe even worse when he (maybe) isn’t injures
Same w mono. Told it after
While Søderling who actually had real mono lost his career.
Please, I asked a straight question and would like a straight answer. Is Nadal injured now?
 

icedevil0289

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i dont think he said it as an excuse though and i know fed has a history of being a sore loser, but in reading his entire presser he gave credit and said that he lost to the better player so its not like he said he lost due to conditions. i think he was just talking about the grand scheme of things of having to adjust.

this isnt like that last time where he went on about the lack of light or w/e but yeah.
 

Gary Duane

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Well excuse Fed.
Hardcourt Rafa- My knees hurt My knees hurt My knees hurt My knees hurt My knees hurt My knees hurt!!
Clay Rafa - (Wins all clay tourneys entered)
I'm so damned sick of fanboys, ALL OF THEM. It just never stops. They ALL make excuses. They ALL rationalize about why they lose. It's a human thing to do.

95% of everything in this whole forum is recycled crap, the same crap every second, every minute, every hour, every day. God, I'm sick of this place today.
 

icedevil0289

G.O.A.T.
To be fair, Alex and Mats talked about this during the match. They said the conditions were really heavy and made it hard to hit through the court.

Federer could have said "I obviously didn't play at my best level", but he didn't. He was disappointed with his wasted BPs, but overall I thought he gave Tsitsipas lots of credit in this presser.

"He has a one handed backhand, and I used to have long hair too" :sneaky:
he gave plenty of credit. and like someone mentioned fed had talked about the heavy conditions during his first press conference as well but the OP is a mindless idiot who clearly is stirrng the pot and i already see the rafa fans liking the same posts.
 

axlrose

Professional
This is a poor excuse for a thread.

So MENTIONING court speed is an excuse? How many times do other players including the Nadal mention court speed, conditions, injuries etc? mentioning something isn't saying you lost because of it, certainly not court speed because both players deal with the same court speed so it's not like mentioning an injury which only effects you. It's normal to mention conditions or if you were struggling to play a certain shot because the way the ball was reacting, there's plenty of times players mention being about to play well because of conditions too. So over analysing everything in an effort to have a go at certain players

His presser was actually a pretty good one, didn't complain about the crowd either like a lot of players might (Djokovic for instance)
1. mentioning court speed is NOT an excuse but his time Fedr makes it look like an excuse because he DIDN'T mention it BEFORE the match or AFTER his previous WINS.

2. the court treats 2 players equally while the crowd DOES NOT.

My humble opinion ^ ^
 

Towser83

G.O.A.T.
1. mentioning court speed is NOT an excuse but his time Fedr makes it look like an excuse because he DIDN'T mention it BEFORE the match or AFTER his previous WINS.

2. the court treats 2 players equally while the crowd DOES NOT.

My humble opinion ^ ^
The court plays the same for both players yes, which is why it can't be an excuse. It's really odd that a player can't mention anything about how their game was which is down to many things including how you handle the court conditions, without it being called an excuse. He said the other guy played better.

Yes the crowd can be more for one player, the interviewer asked if the crowd had affected Federer and he said no the crowd was great, so where he could have grumbled about it and made an excuse he didn't.

But some people like to find any excuse to complain
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
The media demands an analysis of the loss from a player, so whether this comes across as excuse-making is in the eyes of the beholder unless the player is rude.
 

Federev

Hall of Fame
I thought it was only fanboys who mention court speed when talking about defeats, but the great man himself, mentioned in his post match presser, that conditions were 'slower than last year' and they didn't 'allow for as much variation' LOL .

Cmon man, that's a poor excuse, no?
"BLUE CLAY IS THE DEVIL."
WTF INDOORS IS THE DEVIL."
TIME CLOCKS ARE THE DEVIL."
"BERDYCH SERVING RIGHT NOW IS THE DEVIL, GIVE ME A SEC!"


(I really have no problem with Nadal. Nor his opinions. He's a total badass ATG. I have a problem with posts that are full of ridiculous hypocrisy :))
 
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The_Order

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This shows how rusty Federer is, he needs to watch more of Nadal and sees how he does it. I guess only if you say it straight away it counts....but if Fed did that, then you would hear about him taking credit away straight away, not letting the winner enjoy his moment and the whole nine yards....

It is truly laughable when any Nadal fan who is also a Fed hater points a finger at Federer using the injury card, when Nadal is the king of injures. Says he was fine after losing to Soderling at RG, and then a few days later, knee was injured....loses to Rosol at W....knee was injured....loses to Darcis....knee was injured....loses to Kygrios....the bad back....lose to Wawrinka....back injured....loses to Murray at USO....a little bit tired, no? Loses to Gonzalez...pain in my famous @$$...Loses to Murray at AO...knee injured...and on and on we go....

And I am not saying Nadal wasn't injured, but that doesn't mean Federer wasn't injured either, or is only Nadal meant to be injured? LOL
Who said Fed was injured?

He complained about the court speed.
 

Luckydog

Professional
I thought it was only fanboys who mention court speed when talking about defeats, but the great man himself, mentioned in his post match presser, that conditions were 'slower than last year' and they didn't 'allow for as much variation' LOL .

Cmon man, that's a poor excuse, no?
At least it is much better than "injury",no? :unsure:
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
No amount of court speed would have improced Fed's passive mindset.

He lost because Tsitsipas was too good and he himself was too passive to be up to the task.
 
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Who said Fed was injured?

He complained about the court speed.
He is not injured now, but if you read what is being thread, a few of his wellwishers were saying he will change his tune and blame it on an injury later or infection. So I showed them the mirror.
 
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I'm so damned sick of fanboys, ALL OF THEM. It just never stops. They ALL make excuses. They ALL rationalize about why they lose. It's a human thing to do.

95% of everything in this whole forum is recycled crap, the same crap every second, every minute, every hour, every day. God, I'm sick of this place today.
You enjoy stats. 95% is a percentage you should be able to do something productive with.
 
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Fed lost because of his inability to convert break-point opportunities, has nothing to do with the court speed IMO.
 

TheGhostOfAgassi

Talk Tennis Guru
This shows how rusty Federer is, he needs to watch more of Nadal and sees how he does it. I guess only if you say it straight away it counts....but if Fed did that, then you would hear about him taking credit away straight away, not letting the winner enjoy his moment and the whole nine yards....

It is truly laughable when any Nadal fan who is also a Fed hater points a finger at Federer using the injury card, when Nadal is the king of injures. Says he was fine after losing to Soderling at RG, and then a few days later, knee was injured....loses to Rosol at W....knee was injured....loses to Darcis....knee was injured....loses to Kygrios....the bad back....lose to Wawrinka....back injured....loses to Murray at USO....a little bit tired, no? Loses to Gonzalez...pain in my famous @$$...Loses to Murray at AO...knee injured...and on and on we go....

And I am not saying Nadal wasn't injured, but that doesn't mean Federer wasn't injured either, or is only Nadal meant to be injured? LOL
Again you missed the point

And.... haven’t you noticed that many Fed fans, your friends, saying Rafa is faking injuries?
You also many times sceptical to Rafas injuries.

She is not a Federer hater.
You are exaggerating a lot. She is a fine woman that likes many tennis players. Watching more tennis than you and seem interested in the sport as a whole. Not this constant big 3 talk you and most people here are into.
 

junior74

G.O.A.T.
Some hate Federer, win or lose. The last 24 hours have been exceptionally fruitful for those.

I have no idea why some won't accept that he is an ageing man.
It's so easy to see, he is so often out of position, hitting off balance - heck, he has even began grunting :cautious:

Veteranerer confirmed. And great match by Tsitsipas - I really enjoyed his attitude and fighting spirit, again! Future #1, I hope (y)
 

VaporDude95

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It does look visibly slower at night, and during the day it’s faster than at night but bouncing higher than previous years. These are just my observations.

The only time it looked like the court of the last two years was when it was during the day but the roof was closed, like last Friday.
 

mr tonyz

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I don't understand the notion that both conditions are the same for both players which means it's even? Uhm , please correct me if i'm wrong , but different tennis players tend to be favoured by different types of conditions as some prefer slower , some prefer playing during the day , some prefer wind , others may not? So this same for both reasoning never actually makes sense , unless you have tennis clones that play identically to one another , which in such as case the conditions would be the same & wouldn't benefit one over the other :D

The stickler in me can't help but mention windy conditions , which are never equal for both players , as windy gusts vary & appear on court during different times , unless you make a perfect wind tunnel that'll sit atop the court & disperse the wind perfectly all over the court all of the time :p. & even then Player A who is a percentage player with more margin & more spin will prefer wind as opposed to Player B which is a big power baseliner that hits a flat ball with lesser margin & that has more of an aggressive baseline style hehe!
 
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WYK

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I thought it was only fanboys who mention court speed when talking about defeats, but the great man himself, mentioned in his post match presser, that conditions were 'slower than last year' and they didn't 'allow for as much variation' LOL .

Cmon man, that's a poor excuse, no?
I dunno about his excuse, but the court speed is obviously much slower than last year. I dunno if the AO made changes, but it is significantly cooler this year than last so far.
 

kevaninho

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I dunno about his excuse, but the court speed is obviously much slower than last year. I dunno if the AO made changes, but it is significantly cooler this year than last so far.
Im pretty sure before the tournament it was stated that conditions were quick. Why is everyones opinion changing to suit agenda? That's the strange thing.
 

Steve0904

Talk Tennis Guru
Who are you rooting for now? How did you feel Fed played the other day?
Well if it comes down to Nadal and Djoker, I'll root for Djoker. As I said, I would still rather Federer held on to his record. Can't have Nadal winning here and then getting 19 at the French. That's frightening. :p

But you know me, if Nadal wins all power to him. I can't control the outcome so I try not to get too bent out of shape about it.

Best case scenario is neither of those guys obviously, and preferably some new blood. Probably a Tsitsipas win, but that's very unlikely.

Fed was average at best. He's holding on by his serve, but his return/ground game is getting worse, and he makes endless errors running into the FH corner, often into the net like he's a step slow. This being all compounded by the fact that he goes 0/12 on BPs, usually shanking FHs when he had legitimate chances in the rally.

I guess the positive is that he's still getting a lot of BPs, but it's common for him not to convert. That hasn't really changed in about 10 years. He'll never get blown out of matches because of his serve, but honestly my gut feeling is that Federer is done winning majors. 20 was the end.
 
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