So I finally made my decision... and I have a question

Pete.Sampras.

Semi-Pro
After demoing frames for such a long time now I have finally found the racket that will replace my good old PS85s - the Wilson K95 :)

I demoed many frames: The Yonex RDS001 mid and midplus, the Dunlop Aerogel 200 and 300, the Wilson K90 (both, US and Asian), the Head Microgel Extreme Pro and some others...

Now this is it. The racket has more power than what I'm used to but that shouldn't be a problem. Overall I played so well with this racket. Servers were huge, volleys were extremely nice. But the demo racket had 18 mains and I want the one with 16 since I've played with an open string pattern all my life. Is there a huge difference between the two versions? I don't think so. After all, it's the same frame... or am I mistaken/does the open string pattern version play very differenly?
 

fgs

Hall of Fame
i don't know the k95 but i know the n6.1 95 which i've owned and played for a year. i demoed both versions and decided for the 18x20 pattern. the 16x18 pattern added up on power quite a bit, so i expect the same thing to happen with the k95. i'm a baseliner though and the balance of power and control of the 18x20 pattern was better fitting my game. you'll get the same control but more power with the more open stringpattern, which might enhance your serving and volleying even more but could as well increase the error percentage on your groundies.
 

Pete.Sampras.

Semi-Pro
i don't know the k95 but i know the n6.1 95 which i've owned and played for a year. i demoed both versions and decided for the 18x20 pattern. the 16x18 pattern added up on power quite a bit, so i expect the same thing to happen with the k95. i'm a baseliner though and the balance of power and control of the 18x20 pattern was better fitting my game. you'll get the same control but more power with the more open stringpattern, which might enhance your serving and volleying even more but could as well increase the error percentage on your groundies.
I know that power and spin would increase but I hoped that would be just a little bit. Did the balls sail with the open pattern and did not sail with the dense pattern on your n-codes?

I'm not sure. I don't want a lot more power. All I want is the feel of 16 mains which I'm so used to, but too much power compared to 18 mains would definitely be a reason to buy the 18-version...
 

Pete.Sampras.

Semi-Pro
why are you replacing your PS85?
It all started when I played with the K90. I have to play on clay most of the times and the K90 offered a better combination of spin and power which is important on such a surface. I wouldn't switch if I only played on fast surfaces, but I need something that is more forgiving on our bad clay courts and something that has, as I said, a better combination of power and spin. The K95 seems to have all I need.
 

fgs

Hall of Fame
it's difficult to describe - yes, there's quite a good bit more power to it. i would have had no trouble adjusting to it on groundstrokes since i hit heavy topspin anyway, but i just couldn't "tame" it on returns of fast/faster serves. these returns just wouldn't come close to the lines, i'd be like 2-3 meters long or wide, no matter on how much spin i tried to apply. now of course a return on such a fast serve is nothing you can really set yourself up and give the ball a healthy spin, you're more reacting and trying to put the ball in play and look further from there. i suppose that if you have really some quick hands (mine are getting slower as i approach 43), this could be an issue to adjust to.
 

Pete.Sampras.

Semi-Pro
i'd be like 2-3 meters long or wide, no matter on how much spin i tried to apply. now of course a return on such a fast serve is nothing you can really set yourself up and give the ball a healthy spin, you're more reacting and trying to put the ball in play and look further from there. i suppose that if you have really some quick hands (mine are getting slower as i approach 43), this could be an issue to adjust to.
This would be a problem for me too. Coming from a PS85, I don't hit heavy topspin. I have a good ammount of spin, but I wouldn't want to change my technique that much.

I'm confused. I can't demo the 16 mains, but I have to make a decision until tomorrow morning...
 

fgs

Hall of Fame
may i ask the following question: if you played well with the 18x20 pattern, why would you want a 16x18 pattern?
for me, the decision was somewhat influenced by the fact that since i play heavy topspin anyway, strings would break at an even faster pace than they do on the tighter stringpattern (i get between 6-12 hrs., depending on my opponents).
 

Pete.Sampras.

Semi-Pro
may i ask the following question: if you played well with the 18x20 pattern, why would you want a 16x18 pattern?
for me, the decision was somewhat influenced by the fact that since i play heavy topspin anyway, strings would break at an even faster pace than they do on the tighter stringpattern (i get between 6-12 hrs., depending on my opponents).
Sometimes I break two strings in a single hour :p

The open pattern somehow "rips" the ball more while the dense pattern doesn't. I had the feeling that my balls didn't get up enough when I hit with the 18 mains. The first three backhands were all low in the net. I thought that wouldn't be the case with an open string pattern. I never had this problem with my previous racket and 16 mains...
 

fgs

Hall of Fame
yes, the ball tends to "take-off" at a higher angle from open stringpatterns, that's why i couldn't keep those returns even close to the court boundaries. of course, practice would bring an adjustment to the stroke mechanics, but i'm too old for that.:D
 

Pete.Sampras.

Semi-Pro
yes, the ball tends to "take-off" at a higher angle from open stringpatterns, that's why i couldn't keep those returns even close to the court boundaries. of course, practice would bring an adjustment to the stroke mechanics, but i'm too old for that.:D
I'm 25 so I'm still pretty young. But I also wouldn't want to make some major adjustments like going from semi-western to full western or hitting with a lot more spin than I normally do. I still want to hit a flat stroke every now and then without having to fear that the ball will sail...
 

Baghdatis72

Hall of Fame
I'm 25 so I'm still pretty young. But I also wouldn't want to make some major adjustments like going from semi-western to full western or hitting with a lot more spin than I normally do. I still want to hit a flat stroke every now and then without having to fear that the ball will sail...
You could always string the racket at a higher tension to decrease the power of your strokes and make the 16x18 racket playable without hitting a ton of unforced errors.
 

fgs

Hall of Fame
i play eastern grips, so it's pretty clear that i would have had a longer way to go.
an interesting issue would also be the strings you're playing and the tensions you string. i use soft multis like the nxt tour and string low (51lbs mains, 49 lbs crosses), so this gives me a little bit more power and spin even in a dense stringpattern. if you go for a poly and string at higher tensions, than you would "tame" the 16x18 beast, but would you fit slim tyres to a ferrari? :D
 

sabi

Rookie
Ok, I just did not get that last comment fgs. And it home, though I did not get it, because I am in the process of trying to adapt to a k95 with the 16x18 string pattern. I don't hit with as much spin as you do, most likely, and so the open pattern is good. But I am finding it hard to keep groundies in with my current string, stamina. As a result I have been thinking poly like red code or SPPP at 60 lbs and hoping that the touch is not entirely lost. Then you go ahead and make your comment. And since I have read and enjoyed a few of your posts, now I'm wondering what kind of comment that was about the ferrari.

and it's hard to convey tone in writing short reply bursts. so please read this email has having a light hearted tone, because that was what was intended.
 

Pete.Sampras.

Semi-Pro
I'm using Babolat Pro Hurricane and I am about to switch to Luxilon BB Alu Rough.

Would a higher tension really tame the power so much that balls wouldn't sail anymore? I strung my PS85 from 45-65lbs but no matter what I did it never had too much power and the balls never sailed... so does the tension really solve the problem. Also I would lack a lot of power on serves with a tension around 70lbs...
 

fgs

Hall of Fame
the idea with the ferrari analogy is that you take a racquet that plays too fast (like the 16x18 pattern) and start to scale it down by using strings that are stiff and basically are exactly the opposite in terms of feel and touch in respect to the frame, and then you go and string it high to bring down even more the power, feel and touch. a ferrari would come with quite an impressive amount of horsepower under that hood - now if you don't get some broader tyres that can translate that power onto the street and KEEP it there, you'd still be driving around but slowly and with no fun i suppose (i don't own a ferrari so i can't really tell. on the other hand i can imagine that driving slowly would pick you up a lot of chicks:D ).
it might be a matter of approach philosophy and the fact that i don't like poly (i just had two short encounters and they did't end well so i decided to stay with multis), but i take a stick and try to build it up instead of down. i ended up with the blades 106, a stick that gives me touch and control and a reasonable power level for my style of game, then i put a nicely powered soft string into it that has a good touch and control at a moderate to low tension.
i say "what good would be a superhigh powered stick if i can't control it and would have to reduce this feature of the stick to say 50% in order to cope with it?" i would have a ferrari but wouldn't like to drive it fast because i can't handle it.
 

Pete.Sampras.

Semi-Pro
Please, some more help would be nice. I'm about to return my demo rackets. The store is 40 minutes away from here. I don't want to go there three or four times a week. I want to know which version I should choose now... :)
 

fgs

Hall of Fame
pete.sampras,
if i were you i'd go with the 18x20 because i have played it and it felt good - at least that is what you said. if i couldn't demo the more open stringpattern i'd stay with what i liked. the problem is i can't feel what you feel.
i demoed the nblade 98 and purchased the 106, because i felt something the 98 was doing and i liked it a lot but there was room for more and the 106 just delivered. you said the 18x20 already has enough power, but you could cope with it. now, you are the only one to know if the 16x18 will overpower you or not. we, all the other players and posters can simply tell you that there is considerable difference. some of use use eastern and can't handle the difference, others use full western and can easily adapt - so our views regarding adaptability will be different. we all, easterners and westerners alike, said that there is a considerable difference, but we evaluated adabtability different. you're the only one to make the call for yourself!
 

Pete.Sampras.

Semi-Pro
pete.sampras,
if i were you i'd go with the 18x20 because i have played it and it felt good - at least that is what you said. if i couldn't demo the more open stringpattern i'd stay with what i liked. the problem is i can't feel what you feel.
i demoed the nblade 98 and purchased the 106, because i felt something the 98 was doing and i liked it a lot but there was room for more and the 106 just delivered. you said the 18x20 already has enough power, but you could cope with it. now, you are the only one to know if the 16x18 will overpower you or not. we, all the other players and posters can simply tell you that there is considerable difference. some of use use eastern and can't handle the difference, others use full western and can easily adapt - so our views regarding adaptability will be different. we all, easterners and westerners alike, said that there is a considerable difference, but we evaluated adabtability different. you're the only one to make the call for yourself!
Yes, so true. I just hoped someone would come up and say either "yes it has so much more power than the 18 mains" or "No, the power is not that much more"...

I would really miss the open pattern, but I would miss it a lot more if I were not able to take a full, confident swing...

I have to make a decision now. Thanks for all your help, thanks a lot :D
 

fgs

Hall of Fame
you're wellcome. have confidence in your abilities and fun at the game. good luck and no mercy whacking the ball.:D
 

gn8

New User
They are different. You need to demo both to make an educated decision. If it's about a 40 minute drive, I'd spend the 40 minutes and know you chose the right one. (for me personally, the choice would be the 18x20 hands down, the 16x18 was too powerful).
 

Pete.Sampras.

Semi-Pro
I bought the 18x20 version. The 16x18 wasn't available for a demo at all and I knew that I don't need more power, just control/precision and some spin. The K95 18x20 with a Luxilon BB alu rough should deliver all this. I will get the strung rackets on monday. Thanks again everyone :)
 
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