I hit quite a few forehands almost as fast as my serves. My fastest serve was 105 and my fastest forehand was 91. Is this the case with most people with their serve and forehand speeds? Or am I the outlier with either a good FH or and not so good serve that are sort of comparable?
So I hit with the Sony Sensor today and realized...
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YarikA99
Rookie
Same exact scenario here my fastest forehand measured with the sensor was 96mph and I always hit one in the high 80s or low 90s during my sessions. I average around 70-75 on my forehand. On my serve my fastest is 106 I usually hit a couple in the low 100s high 90s. My racquets leaded up to about 360g so Id be interested to see how that affects the speeds. Im using the vcore tour f 93 right now.
There is no guarantee that forehand numbers are correct/in a ballpark/etc
Please go through my posts in another thread in this subforum related to Sony sensors
Tennisanity
Legend
In the TW review, I think they did comparisons between actual speed measurements and Sony sensor numbers and they seemed to agree fairly well as I recall..
For starters: if you are NOT ATP 100 you do NOT hit 90 miles per hour forehand.
Numbers for forehands were measured using reliable four and eight camera systems for ATP players.
Nobody at this forum is NOT able to hit a 90 miles per hour forehand even by pure luck.
Ask John Yandell to provide some numbers for the head speed and the ball speed.
Read papers by Elliot.Read my log/posts about speed of backhands.
We assume that OP is talking about miles per hour.
Www.advancedtennis.com/results/ball speed.htm provides the number 76 miles per hour.
Data are available
Pl remove the space in the link after double ll
You have to define what are actual speed measurements
YarikA99
Rookie
You are contradicting your words, get rid of the NOT.
We are just going offof the datafrom the sensor and that is what it is showing.
r2473
G.O.A.T.
Does it have to be in or can I hit the back fence?
5263
G.O.A.T.
Sorry, but no need to be on tour to hit a big ball. You don't even have to be a great player to hit a big ball. Top players hit big with consistent execution and that is what separates them from the masses. I hit over 90 with both Fh and Bh on a very reliable radar while in my 40s and wouldn't be surprised if I can't hit bigger now than back then.
Shroud
Talk Tennis Guru
Yeah I can hit those speeds its keeping it in the court that is the challenge. Power is pretty easy IMHO.
A Sony sensor is overestimating a speed of forehand.You are contradicting your words, get rid of the NOT.
We are just going offof the datafrom the sensor and that is what it is showing.
Take it or leave it. It is known for a while.
There are physical reasons for that.
You cannot assume that a sensor provides always correct data.
A sensor is more or less a toy.
As a matter of fact "more" than "less".
Please find and read blogs by a tennis guru called tennisspeed
we used to be a motto: "trust but verify"
WildVolley
Legend
"Nobody is NOT?" What?
A lot of people can hit 90mph forehands as a one off thing. Part of this is based on the fact that the incoming ball can have a fair amount of pace which will magnify the power coming off a hard swing.
Again, let us distinguish between an average and something that sometimes happens. I know I've been able to hit forehands over 90mph, especially when I flatten the ball out and get lucky. On the other hand, my average ball speed isn't anything like that and is considerably slower than the pros. Of course, the people I'm hitting against aren't providing professional ball speed either.
I mistyped and my ipad does not allow me to to correct it-it was better with a previous version of the forum."Nobody is NOT?" What?
A lot of people can hit 90mph forehands as a one off thing. Part of this is based on the fact that the incoming ball can have a fair amount of pace which will magnify the power coming off a hard swing.
Again, let us distinguish between an average and something that sometimes happens. I know I've been able to hit forehands over 90mph, especially when I flatten the ball out and get lucky. On the other hand, my average ball speed isn't anything like that and is considerably slower than the pros. Of course, the people I'm hitting against aren't providing professional ball speed either.
The measurements I am talking about we're disregarding balls which were out.
As the matter of fact only those hitting a small area were counted-something like 3 yards by 3 yards.
It forces a player to provide some toppin. The tennis channel provides from time to time numbers for forehands.
The first issue is whether we are talking about a racket head speed or a ball speed
YarikA99
Rookie
I know the ball speed is not completely accuracte, for example one of my backhand slices apparently had a ball speed of 99mph off of a 50mph swing. The swing speed on the other hand is mostly accurate.
Migelowsky
Semi-Pro
So what if he hits or not 90 mph.
Lets assume that the true speed was 65 ( or how much you want? 20 mph ? ), and that he wants to keep that average or improve it.
He has a reference point to work on.
As you say , it's our toy, let us play , enjoy it and live in ignorance.
Lets assume that the true speed was 65 ( or how much you want? 20 mph ? ), and that he wants to keep that average or improve it.
He has a reference point to work on.
As you say , it's our toy, let us play , enjoy it and live in ignorance.
sundaypunch
Hall of Fame
No kidding.
If you had a crystal ball 25-years ago and could show a tennis player someone using the Sony Tennis Sensor and smartphone, they would be dumbfounded. Now, we have people that go on and on in every thread that the ball speeds aren't exact. Of course they aren't - it is a brand new technology that was designed at a $199 price point! They intentionally didn't engineer a very expensive (and more accurate) system that was only affordable for clubs and some teaching pros.
It is getting very positive reviews from the people actually using it. Like you, they have figured out that the exact speed of your FH is not critical. It is establishing a baseline and being able to evaluate your performance over time, match play vs. practice, changes in technique etc.
TW posted 4 user feedbacks in the shopping section for a Sony sensor.
It is very hard to say that all four of them are positive.
I would suggest that you read these user feedbacks unless you did it already.
sundaypunch
Hall of Fame
^^^
I am referring to the threads and dozens of posts in the forum. I also own the sensor and find it very useful for my needs.
I am referring to the threads and dozens of posts in the forum. I also own the sensor and find it very useful for my needs.
Tight Lines
Professional
This +1. If my opponent is a hard hitter, I can hit one at close to 90 every once in a while because the other guy is generating the pace for me.
Harry
LoboLaw1984
Rookie
91 mph forehand is pretty f-ing fast man.
Tennisanity
Legend
The majority of reviews I've read on here have been quite positive. I was surprised!
West Coast Ace
G.O.A.T.
Bad things happen when you generalize.
So Mikael Youzhny, recently slipped to 101, can't generate speed anymore?
Players at top D1 men's programs?
The main purpose of these sensors isn't to measure speed, spin, etc to some very precise level - they are for benchmarking metrics so players can track progress.
This thread reminds me of the guy (who actually posted video and had a very nice move) who said his 1st serve was 130 - because he coach told him his serve was like Ivo Karlovic. Ah, TW, the free entertainment. Never stop.
Two things:
1.read the latest blog by tennisspeed. You may use google to find it.
2.all three sensors do not scale as a function of incoming speed of a ball
in the case of forehand and backhand.
All three sensors as of today are second to useless for benchmarking purposes because of that in the case of forehand and backhand.
The conversation is not about accuracy. You may read more of my posts about a Zepp sensor.
A radar gun is considered to be a better tool for forehand and backhand
Playsight is a better tool.
Just to simplify the conversation- I am a coach,I have a phd in physics and an engineering degree
dominikk1985
Legend
I have seen a 95 mph winner by sam stosur. if a top WTA Player can do it why not a good fit upper Level (who wins most matches at that Level) 5.0 Player?
Sony Sensor is fine. It measures RHS - and is very accurate at that.. That' enough to give you a good baseline on your groundstroke speed - which is obviously some multiple of RHS and incoming speed. So if the ball is coming in at 50 mph - you have 100 mph swing speed - you are going to hit a very big shot. Some people just don't like the idea that mortals can hit big. But they can - the problem is they often miss..
