So, if Djokovic wins Us Open 2023 - Who is greater USO player?

USO: Nadal vs Djokovic

  • Nadal greater

    Votes: 21 18.1%
  • Djokovic greater

    Votes: 95 81.9%

  • Total voters
    116

lud

Hall of Fame
With all stats.
Titles: 4-4
Finals: 6-1 Djokovic
H2H: 2-1 Nadal
1/2 Finals: 3-3
Matches won: Djokovic
Consistency: Djokovic
 

BGod

G.O.A.T.
Hard to argue against 5 additional Finals when titles are even.

It is horribly wrong to consider 2023 as a slam win. By difficulty, this is below a challenger. Sad Djokovic is able to vulture like that, while Nadal skipped USO lots of times due to injuries. (pretty much never played there after the 2019 win)

I am as big a Nolefam you can find and even i will count this as 0.2 of a major only.
Nadal's 2017 says hello. And 2019.
 

BGod

G.O.A.T.
Even 2017 looks very strong compared to 2023. As for 2019, this is just your BS.
Retroactive reviews of Daniil, who was 2 years away from a Slam down 0-2. Prior to that final the 19 draw was even arguably worse than 17.
Everyone knows what will happen today.

Nadal's 2017 opponents and their competitiveness were way better.
In what universe?
 
It is horribly wrong to consider 2023 as a slam win. By difficulty, this is below a challenger. Sad Djokovic is able to vulture like that, while Nadal skipped USO lots of times due to injuries. (pretty much never played there after the 2019 win)
Neah, this is just Novak making it square after 2019 if he wins.

Djere played better than anyone Nadal faced in 2017 and 2019 except Medvedev. And he has the same Medvedev now in the final.
 

StrongRule

G.O.A.T.
Neah, this is just Novak making it square after 2019 if he wins.

Djere played better than anyone Nadal faced in 2017 and 2019 except Medvedev. And he has the same Medvedev now in the final.
LMAO. You are talking about the guy who lost 6-1 6-1 6-3 in the last 3 sets?
 

TheNachoMan

Legend
It is horribly wrong to consider 2023 as a slam win. By difficulty, this is below a challenger. Sad Djokovic is able to vulture like that, while Nadal skipped USO lots of times due to injuries. (pretty much never played there after the 2019 win)
Novak missed USO in 2022 and was DQ’d in 2020, but that doesn’t suit the narrative
 

cortadew

Rookie
It is horribly wrong to consider 2023 as a slam win. By difficulty, this is below a challenger. Sad Djokovic is able to vulture like that, while Nadal skipped USO lots of times due to injuries. (pretty much never played there after the 2019 win)
I could say the same about the last AO rafa won
 

JasonZ

Hall of Fame
they have both 4 titles so they are equal. second places dont count for those titans and head to head is irrelevant.
 

SonnyT

Legend
It is horribly wrong to consider 2023 as a slam win. By difficulty, this is below a challenger. Sad Djokovic is able to vulture like that, while Nadal skipped USO lots of times due to injuries. (pretty much never played there after the 2019 win)
By that standard, then Nadal vultured 2017 and 2019.
 
Both won 2 USOs in their prime playing at a similar level.

Both won 2 USOs past their prime, again, playing a similar level.

2010 Nadal = 2011 Novak
2013 Nadal = 2015 Novak
2017 Nadal = 2018 Novak
2019 Nadal = 2023 Novak

Let's just call this even, even considering that Novak blows Nadal out of the water consistency-wise if we add 2007-2016 as part of the conversation.
 

messiahrobins

Professional
The answer is 4-4, 2>1 bestie :D at the end of the day only the trophies matter. Rafa will still have as many US Opens as the “GOAT” 8-B
Not really seeing the downside for nadal here. Ao and W i can, but his stock surely rises at uso. The debate now is whether federer is actually greater than both at the uso perhaps?
 

Unseeded Player

Professional
Not really seeing the downside for nadal here. Ao and W i can, but his stock surely rises at uso. The debate now is whether federer is actually greater than both at the uso perhaps?
No, he took advantage of weak field, even in 2008 both Novak and Murray were still far from their best and that was the toughest win for him. After that only 2 finals reached, 2009 and 2015.
 

duaneeo

Legend
Peak/prime Nadal beat 23 and 26 year old Djokovic in the finals, and lost to Murray, Del Potro, and Djokovic.
Peak/prime Djokovic beat 25 year old Nadal and 34 year old Federer in the finals, and lost to Murray, Nadal, Nishikori, and Wawrinka.
 
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