So much admiration for Novak

Djokovic2011

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I've just finished watching the 2014 Wimbledon final again and OMG, for the life of me I really don't know how Novak managed to maintain his composure after blowing a 5-2 lead and losing five games in a row in the 4th set. :oops: Absolutely no way on God's green earth would I(and most others) have been able to do the same given the circumstances. With the crowd completely rooting for Federer and having to fight his mental demons having lost his last 3 major finals it still amazes me how he summoned the mental strength to come through that one but thank the Lord he did. As has been said before, it really doesn't bear thinking about what effect such a devastating defeat would have had on him but like the true champion he is he continued fighting hard even when the chips were down and everything was against him and in many ways turned his career around as a result. As a Djokovic fan it's certainly one of my favourite victories of his and makes me feel nothing but pride and admiration for what he achieved that day.

Not that any of this should really come as a surprise. After all, our beloved Hitman didn't anoint him Earth's Mightiest Warrior for nothing. :p
 
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Mainad

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I've just finished watching the 2014 Wimbledon final again and OMG, for the life of me I really don't know how Novak managed to maintain his composure after blowing a 5-2 lead and losing five games in a row in the 4th set. :oops: Absolutely no way on God's green earth would I(and most others) have been able to do the same given the circumstances. With the crowd completely rooting for Federer and having to fight his mental demons having lost his last 3 major finals it still amazes me how he summoned the mental strength to come through that one but thank the Lord he did. As has been said before, it really doesn't bear thinking about what effect such a devastating defeat would have had on him but like the true champion he is he continued fighting hard even when the chips were down and everything was against him and in many ways turned his career around as a result. As a Djokovic fan it's certainly one of my favourite victories of his and makes me feel nothing but pride and admiration for what he achieved that day.

Not that any of this should really come as a surprise. After all, our beloved Hitman didn't anoint him Earth's Mightiest Warrior for nothing. :p
Where did you watch it?
 

Djokovic2011

Bionic Poster
Where did you watch it?
In my flat. :p It's really one of those matches looking back that I'm not sure how I got through watching at the time. Daft as it sounds I started to feel a bit nervous when Novak was serving for the match at 5-3 in the 4th, even though I know he went on to win haha. Being a hardcore Djokovic fan these past eight years has been one heluva ride but my Lord has it aged me in the process! :oops:
 
The question is, who has the bigger mental block against Djokovic. Federer or Nadal?
On average both are pretty even, but Nadal's has more peaks and valleys where he can get really close and almost win, or get completely blown away. Fed is more flat and even and can make it closer on average, but not so much that he's about to win. Of course this is considering the age difference. When both were younger, clearly Fed was better against Djokovic as shown in 2011.
 

Mainad

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In my flat. :p
I meant did you download it from somewhere (I believe Wimbledon doesn't allow their matches to be shown on You-Tube) or did you record it from when it was live?

It's really one of those matches looking back that I'm not sure how I got through watching at the time. Daft as it sounds I started to feel a bit nervous when Novak was serving for the match at 5-3 in the 4th, even though I know he went on to win haha. Being a hardcore Djokovic fan these past eight years has been one heluva ride but my Lord has it aged me in the process! :oops:
I do know what you mean. It's funny how when you watch old matches and you know the outcome you still can't help watching them as though they were live and you can't be sure of the outcome. :)

PS. Don't talk to me about the ageing process. I was youthful and exuberant when I joined this forum. Now I feel like I'm 93 and probably look it too! :oops:;)
 
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On average both are pretty even, but Nadal's has more peaks and valleys where he can get really close and almost win, or get completely blown away. Fed is more flat and even and can make it closer on average, but not so much that he's about to win. Of course this is considering the age difference. When both were younger, clearly Fed was better against Djokovic as shown in 2011.
Just talking current state.

If you take a look at their last four matches...

Nadal at Wimbledon - as close as it gets
Federer at Cincy - Blowout
Federer at Paris Bercy - as close at it gets
Nadal at AO - Blowout
 
Just talking current state.

If you take a look at their last four matches...

Nadal at Wimbledon - as close as it gets
Federer at Cincy - Blowout
Federer at Paris Bercy - as close at it gets
Nadal at AO - Blowout
Yes, it's kinda what I was saying. Nadal almost won Wimbledon, 5 setter and all, a couple of points the other way and it was his title. Then blown away completely at AO. Fed got very close at Bercy but for some reason it didn't really feel like he could win, just felt like Djoker always had an answer. Cincy is not really a fair comparison because it was one of the worst returning performances in Fed's career and yet the score was still pretty damn close! Meanwhile Nadal at AO was really playing some of his best tennis destroyed everyone else, but Djokovic was just on another level.
 

Djokovic2011

Bionic Poster
I meant did you download it from somewhere (I believe Wimbledon doesn't allow their matches to be shown on You-Tube) or did you record it from when it was live?



I do know what you mean. It's funny how when you watch old matches and you know the outcome you still can't help watching them as though they were live and you can't be sure of the outcome. :)

PS. Don't talk to me about the ageing process. I was youthful and exuberant when I joined this forum. Now I feel like I'm 93 and probably look it too! :oops:;)
A Djokovic fan uploaded it without all the breaks and waffle in between - I think it came to something like 1 hr 24 mins which is what I prefer tbh. And I'm sure you still look as fresh as a daisy mate haha. ;)
 

Mainad

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A Djokovic fan uploaded it without all the breaks and waffle in between - I think it came to something like 1 h r 24 mins which is what I prefer tbh. And I'm sure you still look as fresh as a daisy mate haha. ;)
I wish. By the way, is that you in your avatar with that young lady (I've always been curious)? :)
 
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Yes, it's kinda what I was saying. Nadal almost won Wimbledon, 5 setter and all, a couple of points the other way and it was his title. Then blown away completely at AO. Fed got very close at Bercy but for some reason it didn't really feel like he could win, just felt like Djoker always had an answer. Cincy is not really a fair comparison because it was one of the worst returning performances in Fed's career and yet the score was still pretty damn close! Meanwhile Nadal at AO was really playing some of his best tennis destroyed everyone else, but Djokovic was just on another level.
How do you see it going forwards for both Federer and Nadal in Bo3 and Bo5 and all surfaces?
 
How do you see it going forwards for both Federer and Nadal in Bo3 and Bo5 and all surfaces?
Djoko dominates most all Bo3
Nadal-Djoko at FO, 5-setter
Federer- Djoko at W 5-setter assuming Fed breezes through the draw.
Can't say who'll win those though.
 
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Too many variables regarding the health of Fedal. Even if healthy don't see either beating Djokovic now, it will all be up to Stan or a young gun.
Agree that AO is pretty much locked down now for Djokovic? No more Fedal wins there?
 
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Probably not, but I don't see Djokovic having it so easy there, by 2020 one of the young guys will step it up and Djokovic will decline a bit too. Just natural.
Yes, Djokovic cannot win forever, that is the way the world works. My question is more along the lines of Djokovic and his match ups specifically against Fedal, last two times he played them both there wasn't pretty for them. And both are much older and further past their prime than he is. Some of it is mental baggage, it isn't all just tennis prowess IMO.
 

Luka888

Hall of Fame
Now, I feel like watching that match again ... darn, I have it stored somewhere I think on my old WD cloud drive, need to find it.
 

BeatlesFan

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[QUOTE="Im(moral) Winner, post: 13115006, member: 758976" ] Fed could have prevented the evil Djoker's reign of terror but didn't have the Wilanders to do it(n)[/QUOTE]
As a Fed fan, even I admit it. This was a fifth set as catastrophic to Fed was the 2009 AO final or the 2009 USO final.
 
Yes, Djokovic cannot win forever, that is the way the world works. My question is more along the lines of Djokovic and his match ups specifically against Fedal, last two times he played them both there wasn't pretty for them. And both are much older and further past their prime than he is. Some of it is mental baggage, it isn't all just tennis prowess IMO.
Actually last time Djoko played Fed he almost lost at Bercy I believe. Cincy was before that, so Fed probably worked something out since then. But yeah, the H2Hs will probably continue in Djoko's favour here on out.
 

Dilexson

Hall of Fame
Assuming Novak would have won Wimbledon 2015? Because if he still won that, the USO probably would remain the same result as well.
May be you're right. But with #18 and a recent slam win over Novak in the bag i bet Fed would have played much more freely.
It was easily the worst Novak Fed played in 15/16 slam triology and with his Finals record there...:unsure:
 

junior74

G.O.A.T.
It's a reminder. We haven't had a real slam final since AO17.

Apart from the mediocre AO18 roller coaster, there have been 7 straight set wins in slam finals :(

Novak really deserved W14. He was the better player!

Still wondering what could have happened if Federer had put away that overhead at 15-all. So out of character, that miss.
 

D.Nalby12

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He had it easy just like Fed in AO 2017 final. When your level is much higher than Opponent, it's very easy to stay calm and turn things around.
 

Mainad

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It's a reminder. We haven't had a real slam final since AO17.

Apart from the mediocre AO18 roller coaster, there have been 7 straight set wins in slam finals :(

Novak really deserved W14. He was the better player!

Still wondering what could have happened if Federer had put away that overhead at 15-all. So out of character, that miss.
Yeah I remember it well. It seemed such an easy put away and Fed no doubt thought so too, adopted a very casual approach to it and made a complete pig's ear of it. That miss seemed to galvanise Djokovic into realising maybe all wasn't lost after all and he began to fight back harder. Fed never got another chance. He paid the ultimate price for not executing that easy-looking put away but, hey, that's tennis!
 

junior74

G.O.A.T.
Yeah I remember it well. It seemed such an easy put away and Fed no doubt thought so too, adopted a very casual approach to it and made a complete pig's ear of it. That miss seemed to galvanise Djokovic into realising maybe all wasn't lost after all and he began to fight back harder. Fed never got another chance. He paid the ultimate price for not executing that easy-looking put away but, hey, that's tennis!
I agree. Watching it in replay, Federer seemed to check out mentally after that miss. He actually only won one more point, a Djokovic miss. Fed had that introverted "I just wanna get out of here" look all over him. Full of nerves. Netted three routine backhands, shanked a forehand - in neutral rallies...

Like you say: It's tennis! That's the point. Novak is very strong when the going gets tough, no doubt about that.
 
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