So now that Pete and Roger have 7 Wimbledons..

There are very few thins separating the 2.

Both have beaten 2 all time greats. Federer has beaten Nadal and Djokovic and Sampras has beaten Becker and Agassi.

Both have beaten guys who are effective on grass: Federer has beaten Roddick, and Sampras has beaten Goran

Plus other good players on the surface. Fed has beaten Murray and Hewitt(both W champions), Sampras has beaten Rafter.

Both have won the same nr of W so it is just a matter of opinion.

Edges for both players:

Federer
-5 titles in a row
-7 finals in a row
-8 finals(an all-time record)

Sampras:

-7 titles in 8 years(bigger dominance)
 
Have to give the edge to Federer mainly due to him probably dealing with the "slower" grass better than Sampras. He is arguably more solid off the baseline than Sampras was. IMO Sampras would struggle in the second week of Wimbledon now.
Sampras was the greatest fast court player ever.

Got to give the slight edge to Federer tho. When he was younger he would have done just fine on the old fast grass. Also 1-0.
 
Have to give the edge to Federer mainly due to him probably dealing with the "slower" grass better than Sampras. He is arguably more solid off the baseline than Sampras was. IMO Sampras would struggle in the second week of Wimbledon now.
Sampras was the greatest fast court player ever.

Got to give the slight edge to Federer tho. When he was younger he would have done just fine on the old fast grass. Also 1-0.
There are very few separatin the 2. Fed would need an 8th title to close the debate.

Whether people put more value in con titles and cons final or pete's amazing concentrated dominance is up for debate.

But IMO gotta give it to Roger. He has been more dominant than Pete despite taking him 10 years to win his 7 compared to just 8 for Pete.

Also the only player with 8 finals. Can't ignore this aspect. Nobody else has 8 finals at W
 
There are very few thins separating the 2.

Both have beaten 2 all time greats. Federer has beaten Nadal and Djokovic and Sampras has beaten Becker and Agassi.

Both have beaten guys who are effective on grass: Federer has beaten Roddick, and Sampras has beaten Goran

Plus other good players on the surface. Fed has beaten Murray and Hewitt(both W champions), Sampras has beaten Rafter.

Both have won the same nr of W so it is just a matter of opinion.

Edges for both players:

Federer
-5 titles in a row
-7 finals in a row
-8 finals(an all-time record)

Sampras:

-7 titles in 8 years(bigger dominance)

Incorrect. Federer lost way fewer sets on the way to his titles. Sampras had to play more 5 setters even in his best years.

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Roger-Federer.aspx?t=pa&y=0&m=s&e=540#

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Sa/P/Pete-Sampras.aspx?t=pa&y=0&m=s&e=540#
 
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On this thread, all grass courts are grass courts and Roger would have beaten Sampras on all grass courts.

On another thread, Nadal should thank his stars that today's grass courts are nothing but green clay.

Nice. :lol:

The thing is, after they've created a monster out of Roger (at around the 12 GS mark), they wanted to tame it so they go through great lengths to make the surface more Rafa friendly. Now, that Rafa seems to be the man, they try new ways to put the breaks on Rafa's strides. Classic build em up and tear them down. Because frankly, if say someone had a 30 grand slam record (in 10 years), it would be pretty much unreachable (nevermind strong or weak era) and as such they'll lose the fans' interest, so what's the point?
 
Pros for Federer:

- More finals
- More consecutive wins at SW19 and on grass overall
- Beat higher ranking opponents to win his titles
- Beat Sampras at SW19
- More grass titals

Pros for Sampras:

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Pete never lost to a clay courter during his prime years. Federer's wins were all on slow grass.

As, but well, did you take the time to reflect that maybe that's *because* Federer's wins were on slow grass that he lost to a clay courter...

I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have minded the fast grass of the 90's, especially when playing Nadal.
 
As, but well, did you take the time to reflect that maybe that's *because* Federer's wins were on slow grass that he lost to a clay courter...

I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have minded the fast grass of the 90's, especially when playing Nadal.

He wouldn't be playing Nadal on fast grass.
 
I think Sampras is more the classic Wimbledon player, at least in his style of play. Hard to take any title especially one concerning wimbledon from Fed though imo.
 
Sampras has the better grass court game, though it's grass so who cares.

Sampras has a better 2nd serve which is the most important shot in grass court tennis. His first server is also better, 2nd most important shot, and holds up under pressure. His volleying is a great deal more superior to Federer, (3rd most important shot) who is not a great volleyer, complete different league. Federers slice return is better than Pete's and his movement left and right is better. Pete has the best smash in tennis which although in it's self is not important, it forces the opponent to go around or through the volleyer. Unsually offensive lobs are played at important points in a game so they aren't a highly played point but they are played at significant times.

Federers problems are his volleys, he volleys short nearly all the time and is not consistent. Short is good, it's either a winner or loser but playing short too often is scripted he needs a defensive deep volley or 3/4 court slice volley.

Grass courts obviously have changed, they've changed the grass type to a more resilient grass which makes the courts a "touch" slower. But it's the predictability of the manicured grass that makes the greatest impact. Sampras also played on slow grass, the first week at Wimbledon is slow, it's a green top, the ball bounces and is generally predicable, the difference is the 2nd week where in the 80's (go Mac), the court was a sand pit in the service area's and the center Tee and green on the sides. Any ball hitting within 1m (3') of the baseline and 2 to 4m (6' - 12') from center is anyone guess at how it will bounce. Hence grass court players don't let the ball bounce and hit compact shots. The courts have become more consistent with artificial lighting, changes in grass seed, originally the "tent" now the roof to control rain and allow artificial spectrum specific light. The courts weren't as bad in Pete's era as decade previously but it was no where near as good as current generation.

Anyone who's played competitive grass court tennis will know it's a different game and Wimbledon have gone out their way to make it more like a fast hardcourt surface to remain relevant. Grass court tennis is for another era, it was removed from USO & AO it's only the prestige of Wimbledon allowing it to hold on, otherwise it would go the way of carpet which was also a big tournament surface in the 70 & 80 with the masters and big indoor invitationals. Socially grass court tennis is dead, it's requires a court for every 8 competitive players in order to rotate courts every 6-8 weeks depending on usage and weather. You need a full time grounds keeper and equipment to maintain it. Grass court being expensive tends to be wealthy area's where the land values are high and resulted in a lot of clubs have converted to "synthetic" blasphemy, and using less land and pocketing the cash. The grass court competition is nearly non-existent in my country as there's not enough clubs for proper inter club competition rather it's just a few gentlemen club.

Wimbledon is now an anomaly surviving on the importance on the event rather than the sport. Pete Sampras was the better grass court player and was the tail end on the grass court relevance as a game rather an an event. Once the players like Edberg, Becker, Stich, Ivanišević, Rafter, Cash, Old McEnroe retired they weren't replaced with true serve volley grass court players, not because Wimbledon changed rather the whole circuit changed and the game it's self especially technology favoring base line.
 
Didn't Fed beat Pete at SW19?

I like how the haters who usually consider the H2H as the only thing that determines who is greater of the two, leaving aside all individual accomplishments , are not even bringing up the H2H here, where it is relevant :)

In sports, when 2 individuals/teams are tied on a particular accomplishment, it is common practice to use the H2H as the tie breaker.

So yeah, 1-0 Fed.
 
This could change, but if I had to choose one player to play for my life on grass, it would be 1999 Pete Sampras.
 
Pete is the greatest 'all court / serve & volley' grass court player.
Fed is the greatest 'baseliner' grass court player.

Fed fans like to think of Fed as a great all court player, but look back at his matches, and you will see that he barely got to the net.
 
I choose Sampras, and his performance against Agassi in the 1999 final still resonates profoundly for me.

If Roger wins another Wimbledon title, I may or may not change my mind.
 
Pete had to beat Ivanisevic so many times that it actually kills the merit of winning W so many times

It would be interesting to see if Roddick would win Wimbledon 14/15/16 with a Wild Card if he can get himself out of retirement just for this.

Oups, doubt it.
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Isn't there any W performance from.Roger that impressed you?

Sure, pal. A lot of Federer's performances impress me, but not as much as that 1999 final from Sampras... not from Wimbledon anyway.

My name is Nathaniel_Near and I am a MEGA fan of Roger Federer.

My name is Nathaniel_Near and I give Pete the edge over Roger for being the king of Wimbledon if the choice is to be merely those two.


Thanks for reading.
 
Wow, some of the comments on here.

Saying any all-time great would be a journeyman or wouldn't make the second week in any era is beyond dumb.

Connors played through 3 generations and was effective even with archaic strokes.

Agassi was basically the 3rd best player in the world at 35 beating up on the young kids.

Sampras game dropped off because he really had nothing to play for anymore after #13 and only won another one because people called him a has been.

People discount motivation too much for players drop off.

In 10 matches, I would see Sampras winning 6, Fed 4. Passing, passing, passing and dealing with that serve at its peak would wear anyone out. Pete made you play ugly too. Fed is basically 1b not #2.
 
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yes.....he would have actually won two wimbledons in this era had they not slowed down grass so pathetically in 2002......

Faster grass would help Roddick, but then again, Federer flourish on fast grass and low bounce, so Roddick could still not have won Wimbledon in Roger's era. However, I think he could have won Wimbledon in the 90s.
 
Federer has the greater Wimbledon record. They both won 7 titles, but Federer also made 1 additional final and 3 additional quarterfinals. Those results are better than Sampras' results after his 7 titles, which were 1 semifinal, 1 quarterfinal, and 1 4th round.

I am amused to again see the backwards logic of looking at winning percentage in finals in comparing 2 players who both won the same number of titles as though a higher winning percentage is better...a higher winning percentage just means that player lost early more often and made less finals.
 
Federer has the greater Wimbledon record. They both won 7 titles, but Federer also made 1 additional final and 3 additional quarterfinals. Those results are better than Sampras' results after his 7 titles, which were 1 semifinal, 1 quarterfinal, and 1 4th round.

I am amused to again see the backwards logic of looking at winning percentage in finals in comparing 2 players who both won the same number of titles as though a higher winning percentage is better...a higher winning percentage just means that player lost early more often and made less finals.

Plus Fed's consecutive titles at Wimby.
 
Sure, pal. A lot of Federer's performances impress me, but not as much as that 1999 final from Sampras... not from Wimbledon anyway.

My name is Nathaniel_Near and I am a MEGA fan of Roger Federer.

My name is Nathaniel_Near and I give Pete the edge over Roger for being the king of Wimbledon if the choice is to be merely those two.


Thanks for reading.

Sorry, what did you say your name was, again?
 
I would think so. That would be a staggering achievement; one which Nadal might accomplish at RG very shortly.

The probability of Rafa winning at RG is beyond doubt unless he beats himself.

On the other hand, if Fed has to play Delpo (ala USO), Rafa, Andy and Djokovic (in no particular order) consecutively and win it at Wimby, would it tip it over for Fed over Sampras, yeah?
 
The probability of Rafa winning at RG is beyond doubt unless he beats himself.

On the other hand, if Fed has to play Delpo (ala USO), Rafa, Andy and Djokovic (in no particular order) consecutively and win it at Wimby, would it tip it over for Fed over Sampras, yeah?

Depends. Rafa might have blisters. If Hafa has no blisters then yes such a brilliant win would convince me that Fed is the king. ;)
 
Well other than Pete has the greatest peak at W can the Pete fans come with better arguments?

Why limit it to 'Pete' fans.

Stop conducting yourself in such a partisan fashion, perhaps?

How about just better arguments from anyone who may have a POV?
 
Pete's demolishion of Andre in 1999 was extremely impressive. Federer has had his own impressive performances though. The way he beat Roddick in 2003 was similar IMO.

I think it's a tie for now, until Federer wins his 8th.
 
They both are kings of Wimbledon. Pete has a slight edge in match win percentage. Borg has the highest winning percentage of all time at Wimbledon.
 
I give the nod to Pete because in Pete's day he had to actually come up against good grass court players from round 1. The first week was all about survival because the draw was littered with danger. The W surface was rare so aside from Queens, you didn't have much in terms of match practice on that surface. So when Wimby suddenly came around, you suddenly find yourself playing against a guy with maybe not much of a name but who was very good on grass. So a lot of upsets happened.

For instance:

Newcombe, defending champion, out in the first round.

Becker, two time defending champion and hottest favourite ever, out in second round.

Hewitt, defending champion, out in first round.

If you were't on the ball from your first point, you were in danger of being eliminated. So Sampras making 7 finals in 8 years is possibly the greatest feat seen in tennis, given the conditions at the time.

Now compare that to today's era. Today it's green clay so after having played the French, the ball bashers who play from the back have been finely tuned. And in between changeovers, the ball kids wipe the spider webs and dust from the net because no one ever ventures there except to shake hands after the match.

Totally hate what tennis has become, boring as fark one dimensional game. But at least Nadal and his fans can smile.
 
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