So what does Nadal have over Djokovic

The_Order said:
A couple days ago I was challenged by a poster on this forum to name 50 things Nadal has over Djokovic.

After taking about 5 minutes out of my day for the past 3 days, I found 50 things Nadal has over Djokovic. They are listed below.

  1. Total Majors won (22 - Record)
  2. Roland Garros titles (Record)
  3. US Open titles
  4. Olympic Singles Gold
  5. Career Golden Slam
  6. Most match wins at a major (112 - Record)
  7. 10 slam title defences (Joint-record w/Federer)
  8. Consecutive weeks in top 10 (900 and counting - Record)
  9. Leads Slam H2H
  10. 10 consecutive seasons winning 1+ major (Record)
  11. 15 seasons winning 1+ major (Record)
  12. 3 majors in 3 separate decades (Record)
  13. Most combined HC and Clay slams (20 - Record)
  14. Most combined Grass and Clay slams (16 - Record)
  15. Won 4 majors without losing a set (Djok has zero - Record)
  16. Won 8 majors losing no more than 1 set (Record)
  17. Defeated 4 top 10 players en route to a slam title (Joint-record w/Wilander & Federer)
  18. Clay Slam (MC + Madrid + Rome + RG) in a single season (Record)
  19. Summer Slam (Canada + Cinci + US Open) in a single season (Joint-record w/Rafter & Roddick)
  20. Highest outdoor match win % (Record)
  21. Davis Cups
  22. Outdoor titles (Record)
  23. 10+ titles at four events (Barca + MC + Rome + RG - Record)
  24. Most combined HC + Clay titles (88 - Record)
  25. Most match wins vs #1 ranked player (23 - Record)
  26. 13 YE top 2 finishes (Record)
  27. 592+ weeks in top 2 (Record)
  28. 16 consecutive years qualified for YEC (Record)
  29. 46 consecutive match wins at single tournament (46 @ MC - Record)
  30. 10 consecutive seasons winning 1+ M1000 title (Record)
  31. 15 seasons winning 1+ M1000 title (Record)
  32. 20+ finals reached on two different surfaces at M1000 level (Record)
  33. Oldest RG Champion (Record)
  34. 8 slam finals reached without losing a set (Record)
  35. 4 consecutive M1000 in a season (Record)
  36. 8 M1000 won without losing a set (Record)
  37. 76 M1000 sf reached (Record)
  38. 99 M1000 qf reached (Record)
  39. Held #1 ranking in three separate decades (Record)
  40. 470+ match wins on both hc and clay (Record)
  41. Most consecutive match wins on single surface (81 on clay - Record)
  42. Most Rome titles (Record)
  43. Most MC titles (Record)
  44. Unimaginable 137-3 w/l record in bo5 on clay (Record)
  45. 35+ wins on hc and clay in same season (Record)
  46. 32 consecutive matches won across 3 different surfaces (Record)
  47. 5 consecutive big titles in a single season (Record)
  48. Most consecutive years winning an ATP title (19 - Record)
  49. Stefan Edberg Sportsmanship Award
  50. Double channel slam (Joint-record w/Laver & Borg)

    As you can tell, Nadal fans, most of these things are records. Id say around 40/50 are the most important sporting metrics in tennis history. Don’t mess with the king.
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Impressive.
But Novak didn't get the notice and keeps charging forward. The list for Novak is much shorter but enough to distance him from the rest:
1. Most men's singles GS titles in the open era.
2. Most weeks at ATP world #1.
3. Triple Career Grand Slam.
4. Winning all big titles 2+ times.
5. Winning the only Non-Calendar Year Grand Slam in the open era.
 
Nadal still has many of those records, which is very impressive, but he has lost two of the top three now. I think he lost record 33 also. He lost record 37 too. Overall he has some records that simply cannot be touched though.
 
The_Order said:
A couple days ago I was challenged by a poster on this forum to name 50 things Nadal has over Djokovic.

After taking about 5 minutes out of my day for the past 3 days, I found 50 things Nadal has over Djokovic. They are listed below.

  1. Total Majors won (22 - Record)
  2. Roland Garros titles (Record)
  3. US Open titles
  4. Olympic Singles Gold
  5. Career Golden Slam
  6. Most match wins at a major (112 - Record)
  7. 10 slam title defences (Joint-record w/Federer)
  8. Consecutive weeks in top 10 (900 and counting - Record)
  9. Leads Slam H2H
  10. 10 consecutive seasons winning 1+ major (Record)
  11. 15 seasons winning 1+ major (Record)
  12. 3 majors in 3 separate decades (Record)
  13. Most combined HC and Clay slams (20 - Record)
  14. Most combined Grass and Clay slams (16 - Record)
  15. Won 4 majors without losing a set (Djok has zero - Record)
  16. Won 8 majors losing no more than 1 set (Record)
  17. Defeated 4 top 10 players en route to a slam title (Joint-record w/Wilander & Federer)
  18. Clay Slam (MC + Madrid + Rome + RG) in a single season (Record)
  19. Summer Slam (Canada + Cinci + US Open) in a single season (Joint-record w/Rafter & Roddick)
  20. Highest outdoor match win % (Record)
  21. Davis Cups
  22. Outdoor titles (Record)
  23. 10+ titles at four events (Barca + MC + Rome + RG - Record)
  24. Most combined HC + Clay titles (88 - Record)
  25. Most match wins vs #1 ranked player (23 - Record)
  26. 13 YE top 2 finishes (Record)
  27. 592+ weeks in top 2 (Record)
  28. 16 consecutive years qualified for YEC (Record)
  29. 46 consecutive match wins at single tournament (46 @ MC - Record)
  30. 10 consecutive seasons winning 1+ M1000 title (Record)
  31. 15 seasons winning 1+ M1000 title (Record)
  32. 20+ finals reached on two different surfaces at M1000 level (Record)
  33. Oldest RG Champion (Record)
  34. 8 slam finals reached without losing a set (Record)
  35. 4 consecutive M1000 in a season (Record)
  36. 8 M1000 won without losing a set (Record)
  37. 76 M1000 sf reached (Record)
  38. 99 M1000 qf reached (Record)
  39. Held #1 ranking in three separate decades (Record)
  40. 470+ match wins on both hc and clay (Record)
  41. Most consecutive match wins on single surface (81 on clay - Record)
  42. Most Rome titles (Record)
  43. Most MC titles (Record)
  44. Unimaginable 137-3 w/l record in bo5 on clay (Record)
  45. 35+ wins on hc and clay in same season (Record)
  46. 32 consecutive matches won across 3 different surfaces (Record)
  47. 5 consecutive big titles in a single season (Record)
  48. Most consecutive years winning an ATP title (19 - Record)
  49. Stefan Edberg Sportsmanship Award
  50. Double channel slam (Joint-record w/Laver & Borg)

    As you can tell, Nadal fans, most of these things are records. Id say around 40/50 are the most important sporting metrics in tennis history. Don’t mess with the king.
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None of these records actually make any difference



They don't even move the needle by even 1%

Combined hard plus clay
Combined grass plus clay

Nadal fans you can even say he has most combined indoor plus clay titles.

These were never records.

Take clay out. See what remains.
 
The_Order said:
Djok is not a late blossomer llooooooooooooooooooolll

Why age 31? Before big 3, players rarely won majors after age 28 let alone rack up Sampras like figures...

Vulturing has a lot to do with age... don't tell me you're like Goran thinking a guy in mid 30's is getting better... absolute nonsense..

Roger: 15 slams before 28, 5 after
Nadal: 13 slams before 28 + 1 pretty much on his 28th bday, 8 after
Sampras: 12 slams before 28, 2 after
McEnroe: 7 slams before 28, 0 after
Lendl: 6 slams before 28, 2 after
Connors: 5 slams before 28, 3 after
Wilander: 7 slams before 28, 0 after
Edberg: 6 slams before, 0 after
Becker: 5 slams before 28, 1 after

Djok: 8 slams before 28, 13 after

Only special case for ATG is Agassi... 3 before and 5 after... and that's likely because he didn't play at the AO until he was nearly 25... and abused substances...
Borg retired when he was 26... no way of knowing how much he'd win post 28 but highly unlikely to be more than what he won beforehand..

If you cannot see the discrepancy here, you never will... this is a tremendous and monumental skew...

No ATG has even come close to winning so many more majors after 28 compared to before... and he's not even done yet...

Djok could realistically end up with as many or even more majors after turning 28 than Federer won before 28... he's already caught Nadal.. utter lunacy

So yeah, don't even try for 1 second to convince people Djok isn't the biggest vulture in the open era...

When the field was actually tough, he had a brilliant 12 months from AO11 till AO12 but he never saw anywhere close to that success before or after until he reached age 28... hmmmm.....
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Officially, Djokovic has won 24 slams along with his other records. DEAL WITH IT! All these excuses as to why other players have not done as well is nonsense.
 
uscwang said:
Impressive.
But Novak didn't get the notice and keeps charging forward. The list for Novak is much shorter but enough to distance him from the rest:
1. Most men's singles GS titles in the open era.
2. Most weeks at ATP world #1.
3. Triple Career Grand Slam.
4. Winning all big titles 2+ times.
5. Winning the only Non-Calendar Year Grand Slam in the open era.
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slams Fs
# of WTFs
# of masters
# of big titles
points record
h2h vs main rivals
W%
top10 and top5 wins and W%
greater at at least 2 out of 3 surfaces than anybody
 
What a shock this was also bumped recently by the same poster who just bumped my year-old thread. Perhaps these sleuth and detective skills can be used for more constructive endeavors?
 
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All of this just to be killed by

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