So who is the better USO player now?

Better USO player?


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JoelSandwich

Hall of Fame
Djokovic for sure
He has way more finals and semis and his competition has been tougher
That being said I think Nadal definitely has an argument for peak level
H2H isn’t relevant because Djokovic would’ve evened it out or gone ahead if Nadal would’ve made it to him in almost any year
 

mike danny

Talk Tennis Guru
Djokovic has literally never avoided Nadal on these courts. 3 times Nadal made it to Djokovic, the other times he failed. Djokovic would lead their USO H2H too if Nadal had made it to him more often.
That should be obvious to anyone.
 

tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
This win is really HUGE for Novak over Rafa. The USO was very much needed.

Just like Federer, Novak is better than Rafa everywhere except the FO. Also he has several clay masters against a decent Nadal. Another major or so, it would be really difficult argument to put Nadal over Novak in terms of overall achievements.

However it cannot be refuted Nadal is EPIC
 

MugOpponent

Hall of Fame
This win is really HUGE for Novak over Rafa. The USO was very much needed.

Just like Federer, Novak is better than Rafa everywhere except the FO. Also he has several clay masters against a decent Nadal. Another major or so, it would be really difficult argument to put Nadal over Novak in terms of overall achievements.

However it cannot be refuted Nadal is EPIC
3 titles are 3 titles. Saying Djoker is better is basically splitting hairs at this juncture. Of course as usual people don't factor in how much better Nadal is at Roland Garros than everyone else but it's TTW so that's to be expected.
 

tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
3 titles are 3 titles. Saying Djoker is better is basically splitting hairs at this juncture. Of course as usual people don't factor in how much better Nadal is at Roland Garros than everyone else but it's TTW so that's to be expected.
It is completely unfair to ignore the 5 other finals that Novak has made.

You wouldn't say Stan/Johannson and Nadal are the same at AO ?
 

mike danny

Talk Tennis Guru
This poll is turning into a Delpo-Cilic one. Even the die-hard Rafa fans are not here to vote for him.
 
Djokovic has played in 8 finals, Nadal has played in 4. Other than the year he was missing through injury last year, Djokovic hasn't been short of semi-finals since 2006. It's not really that close, is it?
 

tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
I don't have an issue but I'd say people will overreact and blow the gap out of proportion. The obsession with distribution doesn't overcome a three slam gap overall.
I agree 3 slam gap is big but if they are within a slam you start to look at differentials.

Even a 2 slam gap is huge but Nadal's skewed titles is like an elephant in the room. He has made so many non clay finals and he should have converted at least a few.
 

Pablo1989

Semi-Pro
Djokovic has literally never avoided Nadal on these courts. 3 times Nadal made it to Djokovic, the other times he failed. Djokovic would lead their USO H2H too if Nadal had made it to him more often.
Like Federer against Rafa, doesn't it? US Open 2010, 2011, 2013, 2017...
 

MugOpponent

Hall of Fame
I agree 3 slam gap is big but if they are within a slam you start to look at differentials.

Even a 2 slam gap is huge but Nadal's skewed titles is like an elephant in the room. He has made so many non clay finals and he should have converted at least a few.
I guess it depends on how one looks at it. The Fed/Djok fans often say winning RG once is enough to prove that your resume is complete. I don't really see why the reverse is necessarily untrue for Nadal. Keep in mind that three of the four slams are played on surfaces that are generally more favorable to Novak and Roger. As great as those two are they still have missed opportunities at their preferred venues. Nadal has far less margin for error in this regard which is why his dominance at RG is taken for granted by many on this site. Nadal was so great at RG that he dominated an event to such a degree that two of the five greatest players of all time only felt relief and disbelief when they actually won Roland Garros.

I will agree with your last sentence. There is no question that Nadal hasn't converted enough at the AO. Certainly should have won at least one if not two of his finals there. His peak at Wimbledon coincided badly with Roger. That happens but six slams is still a lot. I still think he has chances at the other slams.
 

tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
I guess it depends on how one looks at it. The Fed/Djok fans often say winning RG once is enough to prove that your resume is complete. I don't really see why the reverse is necessarily untrue for Nadal. Keep in mind that three of the four slams are played on surfaces that are generally more favorable to Novak and Roger. As great as those two are they still have missed opportunities at their preferred venues. Nadal has far less margin for error in this regard which is why his dominance at RG is taken for granted by many on this site. Nadal was so great at RG that he dominated an event to such a degree that two of the five greatest players of all time only felt relief and disbelief when they actually won Roland Garros.

I will agree with your last sentence. There is no question that Nadal hasn't converted enough at the AO. Certainly should have won at least one if not two of his finals there. His peak at Wimbledon coincided badly with Roger. That happens but six slams is still a lot. I still think he has chances at the other slams.
Nadal at clay better than Fed or Djoko at any major by a big margin. Hence the relief from Fed and Joe fans when they got the solitary FO after so many failed attempts

It is such a big ask for Nadal to win the 4 or 5 clay titles every year, for almost 13 years now . No other player can do it.

Your point about Nadal handicapped with a single favorable surface is well taken.

Where i see the differential is Fed and Djoker have had considerable success on 2 surfaces , not so much with Rafa.

I still think Rafa is such a good grass player and he should have won more. His clay success / pressure made the Wimbledon journey difficult and hence the loss to journeymen.
 

VaporDude95

Banned
Djokovic has literally never avoided Nadal on these courts. 3 times Nadal made it to Djokovic, the other times he failed. Djokovic would lead their USO H2H too if Nadal had made it to him more often.
This is literally the same scenario as Federer vs Nadal. Nadal just wasn’t making it to Federer outside of clay.

But muh “The warrior”, “The bull” :rolleyes:
 
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