Sofia Kenin is having an awful season

Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
Winning a slam way too soon tends to do this.

The beauty for these young unknown stars is they have no pressure, play a slam as a relative unknown, play some good matches and win the title. Suddenly you're touted as the next best thing. Ostapenko, Sloane, Kenin, the list goes on. Suddenly you've gone from playing most of your matches on small courts where you won your first slam to being on the main court for every match. Expectation and pressure settle in and then there's a whole crop of players who've never even played you before who can work out your game quickly as you're now part of the top 10 so everyone has their eyes on you. Coaches aren't watching the lower ranked players ahead of slams. I'm sure not many had been watching Swiatek before RG. But now you've had the breakthrough and everyone studies your game, it's flaws. Kenin for instance is highly emotional, even when she's winning she may still get upset and cry when losing points and games. You pray on that.

Anyway, Kenin actually fared better than others. Like Sloane, she backed it up with another slam final within 9 months of her slam win (Sloane won 2017 USO, made 2018 RG final. Kenin won 2020 AO, made 2020 RG final).

Sometimes, the players adapt, they stumble after the first slam like Muguruza did or Osaka did (2 slams but fell off after) but then rebound and win more and have better careers. Sometimes they don't like Ostapenko and Sloane. It's still too early to say where Kenin will end up. Like so many of the players, I think getting rid of Dad would help.
 

Sudacafan

Talk Tennis Guru
Winning a slam way too soon tends to do this.

The beauty for these young unknown stars is they have no pressure, play a slam as a relative unknown, play some good matches and win the title. Suddenly you're touted as the next best thing. Ostapenko, Sloane, Kenin, the list goes on. Suddenly you've gone from playing most of your matches on small courts where you won your first slam to being on the main court for every match. Expectation and pressure settle in and then there's a whole crop of players who've never even played you before who can work out your game quickly as you're now part of the top 10 so everyone has their eyes on you. Coaches aren't watching the lower ranked players ahead of slams. I'm sure not many had been watching Swiatek before RG. But now you've had the breakthrough and everyone studies your game, it's flaws. Kenin for instance is highly emotional, even when she's winning she may still get upset and cry when losing points and games. You pray on that.

Anyway, Kenin actually fared better than others. Like Sloane, she backed it up with another slam final within 9 months of her slam win (Sloane won 2017 USO, made 2018 RG final. Kenin won 2020 AO, made 2020 RG final).

Sometimes, the players adapt, they stumble after the first slam like Muguruza did or Osaka did (2 slams but fell off after) but then rebound and win more and have better careers. Sometimes they don't like Ostapenko and Sloane. It's still too early to say where Kenin will end up. Like so many of the players, I think getting rid of Dad would help.
Putting this into perspective, what Nadal did after winning his first slam just turning 19 years old was terrific. With a coach not his parent, but from close family regardless.
 
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NADALalot

Hall of Fame
After winning the 2020 AO, Kenin made the French Open Final, so its very hard to criticize her.
You'd have to have a vendetta against her, to criticize her this early in her career, when she's already followed up her slam victory with another slam final.
Who cares if she's not as good in 2021.....we've only played ONE slam in 2021.....its extremely early in the year.
 

TennisIcon

Rookie
I’m a little disappointed in her results but her game is very volatile it depends on her hitting lines and hitting her spots. Its not a hard game to figure out.
 

Devtennis01

Legend
She'll always have her slam. Must be hard to get motivated when you win one like that. I mean , we knew who she was but how many people predicted that AO win?
 

NADALalot

Hall of Fame
I like the way she cried during that AO, she was crying during matches.....she has a very unique personality and crying is entertaining.
Also I liked that ritual whereby she took the ball out of her skirt at the end of each service game and slammed the ball down so it bounced up high, and she took a big step at the same time.
Definitely the most entertaining player since Hingis.
 

Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
OP in that thread made many errors. Referenced several players as having endless 1R losses after their slam wins:
Pennetta was listed even though after her slam win she only played 4 more tournaments and then retired (oh and she lost in the 1R just once).
Ostapenko was another listed but also didn’t have countless losses and actually backed up her slam with a QF at Wimbledon, a title later in the year and a SF in Wuhan.
Wozniacki also didn’t fall off. She won Eastbourne and the China Open.
Stosur also fared well making a final a month after her slam win and then making the WTA Finals SF.

People remember Sloane’s abysmal losing streak and equate it to all the 1x slam champs but it’s just not true.
 

NADALalot

Hall of Fame
And Kenin did better than all those players, she made the Final of Roland Garros in the same year, and 4th Round of US Open.
 

TagUrIt

Hall of Fame
I say this as a fan of Sofia, her dad should have stepped down as her coach after she won the AO. That was great accomplishment and he took her as far as he could. Her game is being surpassed by the new talent in the WTA.
 

NADALalot

Hall of Fame
I say this as a fan of Sofia, her dad should have stepped down as her coach after she won the AO. That was great accomplishment and he took her as far as he could. Her game is being surpassed by the new talent in the WTA.
But if Kenin duplicates her 2020 AO/French Open form this year, nobody will be saying "her game is being surpassed by the new talent in the WTA".
Plus the new talent is not winning......Barty won Miami and Stuttgart, and she is not new talent.
We are seeing a huge overreaction in this thread, by people who perhaps want to see Kenin fail.
Because having a bad start to the year is nothing new, it happens to great players all the time.
 

TennisIcon

Rookie
I like the way she cried during that AO, she was crying during matches.....she has a very unique personality and crying is entertaining.
Also I liked that ritual whereby she took the ball out of her skirt at the end of each service game and slammed the ball down so it bounced up high, and she took a big step at the same time.
Definitely the most entertaining player since Hingis.
The way her crying fuels on is crazy. I watched her French Open run and I swear every time she started crying she started playing better. Most people you know they are going to fade away when they start to show emotion. Emotion fuels her on. She even says she cries before every match.
 

zipplock

Hall of Fame
The way her crying fuels on is crazy. I watched her French Open run and I swear every time she started crying she started playing better. Most people you know they are going to fade away when they start to show emotion. Emotion fuels her on. She even says she cries before every match.
Maybe she was Pavlov's Dogged.
 

mental midget

Hall of Fame
i like her a lot...one thing about her game is man she needs that intensity to play well (not that everyone doesn't but there are varying degrees.) maybe she just ran out of mental gas for a while or something.
 

AM75

Hall of Fame
Ostapenko was another listed but also didn’t have countless losses and actually backed up her slam with a QF at Wimbledon, a title later in the year and a SF in Wuhan.
And a SF at Wimbledon next year.

And for God's sake they all are still young. How old is Kenin? How old is Ostapenko? They are still between 22 and 23.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Ollinger's Rule: players with an overbearing parent front and center as coach, especially females coached by fathers, will have substantial lulls.

(Jimmy Evert stayed out of the way and apparently wasn't particularly overbearing towards Chris)
Did not apply to the Williams sisters
 

TagUrIt

Hall of Fame
Plus the new talent is not winning......Barty won Miami and Stuttgart, and she is not new talent.
By new talent I mean players like SST, Pegula, Clara Tauson, Kudermerova, Kovonic, Osorio Serrano for example. These players aren’t new to the WTA, but they have certainly made names for themselves as of late. Please don’t misunderstand my post, I WANT Kenin to have success! I like her game her, style and her swagger on court. However, I think her loyalty to her dad is holding her back. I don’t even mind her odd service motion, because it works for her, but she needs a new tactics and a new approach on this modern game.
 

Jason Swerve

Professional
Winning a slam way too soon tends to do this.

The beauty for these young unknown stars is they have no pressure, play a slam as a relative unknown, play some good matches and win the title. Suddenly you're touted as the next best thing. Ostapenko, Sloane, Kenin, the list goes on. Suddenly you've gone from playing most of your matches on small courts where you won your first slam to being on the main court for every match. Expectation and pressure settle in and then there's a whole crop of players who've never even played you before who can work out your game quickly as you're now part of the top 10 so everyone has their eyes on you. Coaches aren't watching the lower ranked players ahead of slams. I'm sure not many had been watching Swiatek before RG. But now you've had the breakthrough and everyone studies your game, it's flaws. Kenin for instance is highly emotional, even when she's winning she may still get upset and cry when losing points and games. You pray on that.

Anyway, Kenin actually fared better than others. Like Sloane, she backed it up with another slam final within 9 months of her slam win (Sloane won 2017 USO, made 2018 RG final. Kenin won 2020 AO, made 2020 RG final).

Sometimes, the players adapt, they stumble after the first slam like Muguruza did or Osaka did (2 slams but fell off after) but then rebound and win more and have better careers. Sometimes they don't like Ostapenko and Sloane. It's still too early to say where Kenin will end up. Like so many of the players, I think getting rid of Dad would help.
I don't get this mindset. It's typical of weak minds, but it's nothing absolute. What is the point of a player's becoming a pro if they aren't anticipating the fame. A player who turns pro to hide their face is a fool. Noble, but they're foolish. It's inevitable.

More importantly, many of these players you listed were mentally weak and stumbled into their Grand Slams.
 

Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
I don't get this mindset. It's typical of weak minds, but it's nothing absolute. What is the point of a player's becoming a pro if they aren't anticipating the fame. A player who turns pro to hide their face is a fool. Noble, but they're foolish. It's inevitable.

More importantly, many of these players you listed were mentally weak and stumbled into their Grand Slams.
Come on you know better than this. None of those players stumbled into their slams or were mentally weak.
Kenin literally defeated the #1 and heavy home favourite Bartn the SF and then came back from a set down against 2x slam champ Muguruza in the final.
Ostapenko fought from a set and 3-0 down against the heavy favourite Halep in the final this came after knocking out other big names like Stosur and Wozniacki.
Sloane? She had just returned after a year out from a leg injury and made back to back Premier 5 SF’s, enters the USO and gets through a pretty hard draw:
Vinci (finalist 2 years earlier), #11 Cibulkova, Barty, #30 Gorges, #16 Sevastova, #9 Venus, #15 Keys.

And no, as a 19 year old playing just your 2nd French Open you don’t anticipate being catapulted to mammoth recognition like Ostapenko did. Nobody thought she’d win. It’s not that they didn’t expect to hide their face. It’s from going to playing most matches on court 13 to then being the face of tournaments, always on centre court and being watched by countless people after being unknown for so long. Some thrive on this like Coco Gauff but others don’t.
 

Jason Swerve

Professional
I like the way she cried during that AO, she was crying during matches.....she has a very unique personality and crying is entertaining.
Also I liked that ritual whereby she took the ball out of her skirt at the end of each service game and slammed the ball down so it bounced up high, and she took a big step at the same time.
Definitely the most entertaining player since Hingis.
Hingis could win and play doubles. I prefer good tennis over someone crying on the court. The court is for battles to be waged. When Hingis sobbed after Graf cheated her was pitiful and should have instead been her employing some of those eye-breaking doubles shots she loved going for. The only reason you have to cry is when some tragedy has happened off the court. Everything on the court is something you have to account for.

Opposed to throwing tantrums because that 'makes you play better,' how about playing better? The competition is weaker than '97 by far, but she's playing worse than you could ever dream after winning a slam.
 

Jason Swerve

Professional
Come on you know better than this. None of those players stumbled into their slams or were mentally weak.
Kenin literally defeated the #1 and heavy home favourite Bartn the SF and then came back from a set down against 2x slam champ Muguruza in the final.
Ostapenko fought from a set and 3-0 down against the heavy favourite Halep in the final this came after knocking out other big names like Stosur and Wozniacki.
Sloane? She had just returned after a year out from a leg injury and made back to back Premier 5 SF’s, enters the USO and gets through a pretty hard draw:
Vinci (finalist 2 years earlier), #11 Cibulkova, Barty, #30 Gorges, #16 Sevastova, #9 Venus, #15 Keys.

And no, as a 19 year old playing just your 2nd French Open you don’t anticipate being catapulted to mammoth recognition like Ostapenko did. Nobody thought she’d win. It’s not that they didn’t expect to hide their face. It’s from going to playing most matches on court 13 to then being the face of tournaments, always on centre court and being watched by countless people after being unknown for so long. Some thrive on this like Coco Gauff but others don’t.
They play out of their minds. What's the difference? It's impressive, definitely. It's also not going to replicated if their screws aren't tightened.

Why didn't Graf fold after '87? Why didn't Seles fold after '90? Why didn't Hingis fold after '97? Because they anticipated being at the top. That's why they played instead of going to school. I know some people aren't like this. I'm saying it's a weak mind's excuse to blame 'awestruckness' and 'too much attention' as the reason you can't keep up your best tennis. You're going to end up on that stage if you're good enough. You might not even deserve it, and you'd still get placed there. You can even go there as a spectator beforehand. It's not some secret, high-society haven on Neptune.

I'll grant you these women now aren't retired yet- they can still prove themselves. It'll be delayed resurgence, though. Not continued domination like what we've seen from the past greats.
 

NADALalot

Hall of Fame
The way her crying fuels on is crazy. I watched her French Open run and I swear every time she started crying she started playing better. Most people you know they are going to fade away when they start to show emotion. Emotion fuels her on. She even says she cries before every match.
I know her crying looks awesome. I'd love marry someone who cried like that, and could see it 24/7.
 

NADALalot

Hall of Fame
almost impossible at such a young age, given the improvements in:
- fitness & conditioning
- recovery
- nutrition
- medicine

P.S.
I heard that 32 - 37 is the new prime, so she has some more years ahead
Nadal, Federer and Djokovic all peaked in their 20s.
 

Jason Swerve

Professional
Chill out. Slow start and now it's clay. Still some chances for her to move forward and have a decent year.
She's been chilling out for years, already. Knowing her and these other WTA women, one good season on clay won't boost her all-around game. She'll struggle to be relevant for another few more years if she somehow manages to scrape a slam this year.
 

NADALalot

Hall of Fame
Kenin plays a style of tennis that will succeed in all eras.
She has more variety than any other woman.
Plus she's a fitness fanatic, and she has the best attitude.
Barty is similar, but takes less risks.
If Kenin chose to play more carefully, she'd be #1.
 
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