Softest spin-friendly crosses in the world?

liftordie

Hall of Fame
What is the most non-poly comfort crosses in the all world for spin and control?? :)
Thanks for help!
 
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liftordie

Hall of Fame
lose the poly in the mains.

Try gut in the main and your poly in the cross.
Everybody tell me that but gut is so much expensive...... And my poly Double AR Diablo is structured, so it will destroy the gut really quickly.....

What about a really good sgut or multi in the crosses?? Not good deal at all???
 

NuBas

Legend
I have read lots of threads and posters have praised MSV Co-Focus and another I saw people liking was IsoSpeed Cream.

Both are soft polys. I actually have yet to try Cream (soon) but I have tried Co-Focus and I agree its soft and a good string (I use full beds)
 

Traffic

Hall of Fame
Everybody tell me that but gut is so much expensive...... And my poly Double AR Diablo is structured, so it will destroy the gut really quickly.....

What about a really good sgut or multi in the crosses?? Not good deal at all???
Poly/sgut or Poly/multi can be an option. But with shaped mains and strong strokes, the crosses won't last very long. Also, there is a compromise with the hybrid that you have to be willing to accept.

Spin potential + arm friendly + good value is a common goal for a lot of folks on the forum. There are some good options out there. But it really depends on the individual.

I think there are several factors to consider:
1) player skill level (more importantly, Are you a string breaker?)
a) how often do you currently re-string?​
2) how soft do you need to go? Current/past injury/pain or preventative
3) do you string your own racquet?

For me, I'm not a string breaker, I currently re-string every 20hrs on a gut/multi hybrid
My arm is sensitive now and I'm trying to get as much mileage out of my body as possible
I string my own racquet so it's only the cost of strings and my time.

Most of my groundstrokes are hit with topspin and I have a topspin/kicker serve. But I don't need max spin nor can I produce it. I get all the performance, comfort and feel out of gut/multi. When the cross wears out in 15-20hrs, I cut out the cross and re-string with another half set. Then when that wears out, I cut out the gut too and start all over again. This way, it's no more expensive than playing with a full bed of good multi.

My son hits way harder and with a ton more spin. I re-string his racquet every 12hrs.

Our cost for strings is about the same per hour of play. So my gut option is not really more than my son's poly option.

But to just answer your initial question, some "softer poly" might be:
Isospeed Cream
Cyclone Tour
Gosen Sidewinder
 

liftordie

Hall of Fame
Poly/sgut or Poly/multi can be an option. But with shaped mains and strong strokes, the crosses won't last very long. Also, there is a compromise with the hybrid that you have to be willing to accept.

Spin potential + arm friendly + good value is a common goal for a lot of folks on the forum. There are some good options out there. But it really depends on the individual.

I think there are several factors to consider:
1) player skill level (more importantly, Are you a string breaker?)
a) how often do you currently re-string?​
2) how soft do you need to go? Current/past injury/pain or preventative
3) do you string your own racquet?

For me, I'm not a string breaker, I currently re-string every 20hrs on a gut/multi hybrid
My arm is sensitive now and I'm trying to get as much mileage out of my body as possible
I string my own racquet so it's only the cost of strings and my time.

Most of my groundstrokes are hit with topspin and I have a topspin/kicker serve. But I don't need max spin nor can I produce it. I get all the performance, comfort and feel out of gut/multi. When the cross wears out in 15-20hrs, I cut out the cross and re-string with another half set. Then when that wears out, I cut out the gut too and start all over again. This way, it's no more expensive than playing with a full bed of good multi.

My son hits way harder and with a ton more spin. I re-string his racquet every 12hrs.

Our cost for strings is about the same per hour of play. So my gut option is not really more than my son's poly option.

But to just answer your initial question, some "softer poly" might be:
Isospeed Cream
Cyclone Tour
Gosen Sidewinder
You are right. I have to explain more.
I am heavy spin player at 4.0 level.
I actually play with Pure Aero and Double AR Diablo 1.24 and I love it a lot.
But I played and still want to play a lot but my arm is starting to get tired... And I want, need to preserve it.
SO I just want to keep the feeling of my Diablo in mains and find a perfect cross to add more comfort, and control if possible!!
I will try tomorrow the Pro's Pro Synthetic 1.35 in the crosses. Will see what happen.... And next week I will try Prince Premier Control and Power as a cross... Will see too!!
But if you already know a GREAT comfort, spin and control crosses, PLEASE let me know!!!!!
I don't break my Diablo 1.24, I always cut it at max 10 hours of play.
I don't string. But I have a really good stringer!! :D
Thanks for help!!!!! :p
 

esgee48

Legend
Based on your expected string longevity, I would go with Babolat Spiral Tek 17.String it initially 2-3# looser than your mains.
 

Traffic

Hall of Fame
I am heavy spin player at 4.0 level.

I don't break my Diablo 1.24, I always cut it at max 10 hours of play.
What's your cue that you need to re-string? Can you feel it going dead in 11hrs or is this some rule of thumb you've gathered from research?

You could try stringing a little lower tension and/or string a bit more frequently.

I've not heard of many people that have gone from full bed of their favorite poly to a hybrid and really liked it. It's always going to be a compromise. Plus, I've found that with sgut hybrid, as the poly loses tension, the stringbed gains power.
 

liftordie

Hall of Fame
What's your cue that you need to re-string? Can you feel it going dead in 11hrs or is this some rule of thumb you've gathered from research?

You could try stringing a little lower tension and/or string a bit more frequently.

I've not heard of many people that have gone from full bed of their favorite poly to a hybrid and really liked it. It's always going to be a compromise. Plus, I've found that with sgut hybrid, as the poly loses tension, the stringbed gains power.
I feel it going too much dead for my liking at 10hours of play. And it lose lot of tension in 10hours and becoming trampoline...
I understand what you mean with gain of power with sgut in hybrid.... But I have to try..... I have NO OTHERS solutions to gain comfort and not losing too much spin....
 

ashridge

Semi-Pro
Everybody tell me that but gut is so much expensive...... And my poly Double AR Diablo is structured, so it will destroy the gut really quickly.....

What about a really good sgut or multi in the crosses?? Not good deal at all???
Gut is not so expensive if it lasts several times longer with poly crosses than a full bed of poly, and is more comfy to boot.

I've tried several different hybrid tests with poly mains and synthetic gut crosses and wasn't very impressed. I hit a lot of topspin in my game, and even a slick/round full bed of poly (as opposed to a shaped poly) had noticeably more spin for me than the poly/SG hybrids I tried.
 
You are right. I have to explain more.
I am heavy spin player at 4.0 level.
I actually play with Pure Aero and Double AR Diablo 1.24 and I love it a lot.
But I played and still want to play a lot but my arm is starting to get tired... And I want, need to preserve it.
SO I just want to keep the feeling of my Diablo in mains and find a perfect cross to add more comfort, and control if possible!!
I will try tomorrow the Pro's Pro Synthetic 1.35 in the crosses. Will see what happen.... And next week I will try Prince Premier Control and Power as a cross... Will see too!!
But if you already know a GREAT comfort, spin and control crosses, PLEASE let me know!!!!!
I don't break my Diablo 1.24, I always cut it at max 10 hours of play.
I don't string. But I have a really good stringer!! :D
Thanks for help!!!!! :p
Lose the poly before you damage arm...no fun....and worse, shoulder...really bad news....I dont know why people risk not being able to play just to string like a Nadal..etc...
 

FiReFTW

Legend
Gut is not so expensive if it lasts several times longer with poly crosses than a full bed of poly, and is more comfy to boot.
How will gut/poly last longer than full poly??

Thats the first time I heard that, everywhere I read its a basic understanding than full poly takes much longer to break than gut/poly.

Gut snaps and breaks much quicker.

Now if you break ur poly every week omagine breaking gut 2 times per week.

Price would be astronomical.
 

ashridge

Semi-Pro
How will gut/poly last longer than full poly??

Thats the first time I heard that, everywhere I read its a basic understanding than full poly takes much longer to break than gut/poly.

Gut snaps and breaks much quicker.

Now if you break ur poly every week omagine breaking gut 2 times per week.

Price would be astronomical.
I've broken 18 g poly strings in 90 minutes. I've got a set-up in one racquet with Babolat Tonic 15L Gut mains and Solinco Outlast 17 poly crosses, and the Gut mains are going on 20 hours of play and still look very good, a little fraying but a lot of life left. There is a common perception that Gut is not very durable, but I think that is more true for a full bed than a Gut/poly hybrid.

Have you ever actually tried a gut/poly hybrid?
 

FiReFTW

Legend
I've broken 18 g poly strings in 90 minutes. I've got a set-up in one racquet with Babolat Tonic 15L Gut mains and Solinco Outlast 17 poly crosses, and the Gut mains are going on 20 hours of play and still look very good, a little fraying but a lot of life left. There is a common perception that Gut is not very durable, but I think that is more true for a full bed than a Gut/poly hybrid.

Have you ever actually tried a gut/poly hybrid?
No
 
To each his own!!! I love it. Strung at 53, mains at 48. In Aeropro.
With Solinco tourbite 20. No arm or shoulder issues, great pocketing & combo of power & spin.
More power to you ...however I see players here seeking guidance to stay out of the weekend warrior syndrome.....play a little get hurt a lot... As I went thru the minefield of finding out the truth about how influential string can be on the health of the tennis anatomy...Nobody was out there advising players how harsh poly can be on the arm...I played a half dozen racquets that were highly recommended that came strung with poly and hated the boardy stiff feel, that would have aggravated my TE thinking it was the racquets fault...Anyway....sensitive arm....NO POLY
 

Rabe87

Professional
Polyfibre Panthera (do they still make this? Came out in 2013), insane spin, soft as, tension maintenance is horrible but as you know no string has every characteristic :)
 
I've broken 18 g poly strings in 90 minutes. I've got a set-up in one racquet with Babolat Tonic 15L Gut mains and Solinco Outlast 17 poly crosses, and the Gut mains are going on 20 hours of play and still look very good, a little fraying but a lot of life left. There is a common perception that Gut is not very durable, but I think that is more true for a full bed than a Gut/poly hybrid.

Have you ever actually tried a gut/poly hybrid?
A little tip for gut......use super glue to coat at the fray points......
 

Dartagnan64

G.O.A.T.
How will gut/poly last longer than full poly??

Thats the first time I heard that, everywhere I read its a basic understanding than full poly takes much longer to break than gut/poly.

Gut snaps and breaks much quicker.

Now if you break ur poly every week omagine breaking gut 2 times per week.

Price would be astronomical.
I always found my Gut/poly hybrids were the best hybrids for durability. The gut glides along smooth poly and ends up fraying less than when put in a full bed. Certainly if you use a shaped poly, you are asking for trouble, but no issue with round smooth poly's.

Given the natural tension maintenance of gut, the hybrid also remains playable until it breaks. Whereas poly often becomes unplayable long before it breaks leaving players that dilemma of cutting out strings before they've snapped. Gut/poly when done right offers that perfect combo of durability and breaking right at the point its starting to fail in its performance.
 

Doubles

Legend
How will gut/poly last longer than full poly??

Thats the first time I heard that, everywhere I read its a basic understanding than full poly takes much longer to break than gut/poly.

Gut snaps and breaks much quicker.

Now if you break ur poly every week omagine breaking gut 2 times per week.

Price would be astronomical.
I break full poly in half the time I break gut/poly. Gut is durable with a round cross.
 

Atomicman

New User
More power to you ...however I see players here seeking guidance to stay out of the weekend warrior syndrome.....play a little get hurt a lot... As I went thru the minefield of finding out the truth about how influential string can be on the health of the tennis anatomy...Nobody was out there advising players how harsh poly can be on the arm...I played a half dozen racquets that were highly recommended that came strung with poly and hated the boardy stiff feel, that would have aggravated my TE thinking it was the racquets fault...Anyway....sensitive arm....NO POLY
Well that is just it. It depends on a lot of things. Tension, Frame, Gauge........and technique. And yep, you just might have a sensitive arm.

Glide is a very soft cross and should be strung about 5% higher than mains. I don't break strings so, 20 Gauge mains work for me. ( I will soon lower the tensions for winter ) to 51 or 2 Crosses, 46 or 7 mains. I don't find this setup boardy at all.

I played for 31/2 hours on Friday (One hour in the AM and 21/2 at a clinic in the evening) and then 21/2 hour clinic on Saturday. Overall my body and feet are beat-up, but my arm and shoulder are 100% perfect! I don't use an elbow strap either. Also not that I am sure it makes any difference, I don't use a vibration dampener. I have had elbow problems in the past, but that was technique related and it is all just a distant memory.
 
The softest string I've ever tried (and I've been stringing since 1979) is called Vollmer Boris Becker Super String. It's actually too soft. When you string it, you'll pull, have to clamp it off, then pull again because it stretches so much your pull will reach it's limits before the string is done stretching. It's a little hard to find, but if you want the softest, this is it.
 

mctennis

Legend
The softest string I've ever tried (and I've been stringing since 1979) is called Vollmer Boris Becker Super String. It's actually too soft. When you string it, you'll pull, have to clamp it off, then pull again because it stretches so much your pull will reach it's limits before the string is done stretching. It's a little hard to find, but if you want the softest, this is it.
I had forgot about this string. You are exactly correct about it being the softest multi string.
 

prjacobs

Hall of Fame
Weiss Cannon Ultra Cable 17 is very comfortable. Use is in my 2013 APDs. One of the softest polys out there. Read the TW review.


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Doubles

Legend
My gut/poly hybrid is going strong after about 12 hours of serious play, and 6 hours of hitting with my lessons (much softer hitting). I’d expect to get another 3-4 sets of play, or 1-2 good hours of drilling out of it. I bought Babolat Tonic while it was on sale here, so a half set worked out to $12. I used Kirschbaum Pro Line X crosses, which I bought reels of when TW had an insane deal—I think I bought 2 reels for $89.95 TOTAL. Meaning that half sets work out to $1.4 USD each. This hybrid costs under $15 and plays better longer than any full poly or poly/multi hybrid. Just saying.
 

liftordie

Hall of Fame
My gut/poly hybrid is going strong after about 12 hours of serious play, and 6 hours of hitting with my lessons (much softer hitting). I’d expect to get another 3-4 sets of play, or 1-2 good hours of drilling out of it. I bought Babolat Tonic while it was on sale here, so a half set worked out to $12. I used Kirschbaum Pro Line X crosses, which I bought reels of when TW had an insane deal—I think I bought 2 reels for $89.95 TOTAL. Meaning that half sets work out to $1.4 USD each. This hybrid costs under $15 and plays better longer than any full poly or poly/multi hybrid. Just saying.
I will try first O/V natural 16. :D
 

gazz1

Semi-Pro
There's another very soft & spin friendly cross that's worth mentioning - Klip Armour Pro.

It's a very unique string - Natural Gut core with a poly-like outer, making it slippery.

Can be hard to get hold of.

It plays well.
 

liftordie

Hall of Fame
There's another very soft & spin friendly cross that's worth mentioning - Klip Armour Pro.

It's a very unique string - Natural Gut core with a poly-like outer, making it slippery.

Can be hard to get hold of.

It plays well.
Interesting!
Is it like the Babolat Tonic+ longevity?
 

gazz1

Semi-Pro
I’m not sure...I’m not familiar with that string.

What I can say is that I have used coated gut strings before. Klip offers uncoated, single and double coated. I’m not really a fan of these as the coating wears of quickly in the hitting zone.

Klip armour is different...the coating is much thicker and far more durable. It’s white and you would swear it’s a poly to look at out of the packaging.

I guess it’s a bit firmer than Nat gut, but softer and more slippery than a multi.

It’s a bit hard to get hold of...I live in Aus so order directly from klip - klip.com.au

I use klip gut because it’s half the price of Babolat Nat gut in Aus and almost as good...better than any multi anyway.
 
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