Softish racket with sweet spot towards tip

Spin Diesel

Rookie
Hi,

I‘m looking for a not too arm-wrecking racket which has it‘s sweet spot a bit more towards the tip. I currently use a prince phantom pro 100p (previous gen) and although it‘s comfortable, it doesn‘t feel great in the upper hoop.
I played an extended pure drive for quite some time, so I guess that‘s the reason I tend to hit the ball a bit too high in the string bed.
I never had severe tennis elbow but after my arm had gotten sore in that area quite frequently, I switched to the phantom.

I think those stiffer frames do have more forgiving sweet spots, so maybe there‘s something in between.
About the sweet spot - I was guessing that the gravity line could be for me, because of it‘s head shape. But then I‘m afraid that it will be to unmaneuvrable for my single handed BH.

Any recommendations?

Cheers
 

Spin Diesel

Rookie
One more thing - after switching I actually started to enjoy the added control of the phantom. Power and spin aren‘t too bad either, so I‘m looking for something in between a tweener and a control frame.
 

KluddKalle

Semi-Pro
Hi,

I‘m looking for a not too arm-wrecking racket which has it‘s sweet spot a bit more towards the tip. I currently use a prince phantom pro 100p (previous gen) and although it‘s comfortable, it doesn‘t feel great in the upper hoop.
I played an extended pure drive for quite some time, so I guess that‘s the reason I tend to hit the ball a bit too high in the string bed.
I never had severe tennis elbow but after my arm had gotten sore in that area quite frequently, I switched to the phantom.

I think those stiffer frames do have more forgiving sweet spots, so maybe there‘s something in between.
About the sweet spot - I was guessing that the gravity line could be for me, because of it‘s head shape. But then I‘m afraid that it will be to unmaneuvrable for my single handed BH.

Any recommendations?

Cheers
I just switched to Gravity Tour. Been playing with 98sq like Babolat Pure Control Tour for many years, also some with the Pure Strike line and before all that the Pure Storm.

Have tried 100sq racquets before but my one handed backhand has not worked as good with those as with other racquets. Also those racquets have not been this flexible and have had thicker frames.

BUT, I’m happy to say that my one handed backhand really works well with the Gravity. I’m still only less than 2 months in from the switch and still have some way to go before everything is tuned in. But so far it’s going great.
 

abhi_trip

Rookie
Hi,

I‘m looking for a not too arm-wrecking racket which has it‘s sweet spot a bit more towards the tip. I currently use a prince phantom pro 100p (previous gen) and although it‘s comfortable, it doesn‘t feel great in the upper hoop.
I played an extended pure drive for quite some time, so I guess that‘s the reason I tend to hit the ball a bit too high in the string bed.
I never had severe tennis elbow but after my arm had gotten sore in that area quite frequently, I switched to the phantom.

I think those stiffer frames do have more forgiving sweet spots, so maybe there‘s something in between.
About the sweet spot - I was guessing that the gravity line could be for me, because of it‘s head shape. But then I‘m afraid that it will be to unmaneuvrable for my single handed BH.

Any recommendations?

Cheers
If you're not averse to 98 sq inch frames, then try out the Prince Synergy 98 or the blade 98. I preferred the Synergy 98 to the blade 98 18x20. Both of them are quite soft and have more weight distributed towards the head, so you should try them out.
For 100 sq inch frames, the gravity pro/tour might fit your use case.
 

Spin Diesel

Rookie
Thanks for the suggestions. 98 would be fine as well. So these are rackets with a sweet spot more towards the tip, right?
 

beltsman

Legend
Hi,

I‘m looking for a not too arm-wrecking racket which has it‘s sweet spot a bit more towards the tip. I currently use a prince phantom pro 100p (previous gen) and although it‘s comfortable, it doesn‘t feel great in the upper hoop.
I played an extended pure drive for quite some time, so I guess that‘s the reason I tend to hit the ball a bit too high in the string bed.
I never had severe tennis elbow but after my arm had gotten sore in that area quite frequently, I switched to the phantom.

I think those stiffer frames do have more forgiving sweet spots, so maybe there‘s something in between.
About the sweet spot - I was guessing that the gravity line could be for me, because of it‘s head shape. But then I‘m afraid that it will be to unmaneuvrable for my single handed BH.

Any recommendations?

Cheers
Sounds like you should demo the Gravitys
 

Hit 'em clean

Semi-Pro
Definitely demo the Gravity line... the wide shoulders of the frame pull the sweet spot up higher than traditional shaped frames.
 
Try stringing the upper cross with graduated tension to compensate for the curvature of the frame - i.e. string with less tension towards the tip. It'll help a lot. Try it in the your Prince before buying more racquets, which undoutedly won't help that much. No racquet is going to feel that good hitting towards the top of the frame if you string it with the same tension throughout the bed.
 

phanamous

New User
I do graduated tension for the crosses also to help expand the sweet spot vertically.
Using a softer cross like a soft poly, or even softer like multi or syngut, helps also.
 

phanamous

New User
Gravity Tour fits the bill although I do have twisting issues on my 1HBH side. It's also polarized in balance which doesn't suit my 1HBH too well either.
Surprisingly, my fav right now is a Blade 101L with a lot of weight added to it with a large and high sweet spot with how it's strung albeit a bit lacking in control.
 

Papa Mango

Semi-Pro
Hi,

I‘m looking for a not too arm-wrecking racket which has it‘s sweet spot a bit more towards the tip. I currently use a prince phantom pro 100p (previous gen) and although it‘s comfortable, it doesn‘t feel great in the upper hoop.
I played an extended pure drive for quite some time, so I guess that‘s the reason I tend to hit the ball a bit too high in the string bed.
I never had severe tennis elbow but after my arm had gotten sore in that area quite frequently, I switched to the phantom.

I think those stiffer frames do have more forgiving sweet spots, so maybe there‘s something in between.
About the sweet spot - I was guessing that the gravity line could be for me, because of it‘s head shape. But then I‘m afraid that it will be to unmaneuvrable for my single handed BH.

Any recommendations?

Cheers
Before you buy a new racket try 2-3 grams of lead at 10/2 on the phantom and counter balancing with 4-5 on the handle. See if that works.
 

Purestriker

Semi-Pro
One more thing - after switching I actually started to enjoy the added control of the phantom. Power and spin aren‘t too bad either, so I‘m looking for something in between a tweener and a control frame.
Agree with others here, take a look at the Gravity.
 

esgee48

G.O.A.T.
The proper term is called Proportional Stringing, which lowers the ref tension based on the length of the string pulled. Do the top 3 crosses at ref tension - 6#; crosses 4-6 at ref tension - 4#; crosses 7-9 at ref tension - 2#. Change back to ref tension for remaining crosses.
 

phanamous

New User
I've experimented quite a bit and ended up stringing all mains at the same tension. Proportionate tension there didn't work so well here IMO.
Only with the crosses do I vary tension and that varies greatly between frames and type of cross string also due to the varied spacing up top and how soft the cross strings are.

The proper term is called Proportional Stringing, which lowers the ref tension based on the length of the string pulled. Do the top 3 crosses at ref tension - 6#; crosses 4-6 at ref tension - 4#; crosses 7-9 at ref tension - 2#. Change back to ref tension for remaining crosses.
 

Injured Again

Hall of Fame
I've experimented quite a bit and ended up stringing all mains at the same tension. Proportionate tension there didn't work so well here IMO.
Only with the crosses do I vary tension and that varies greatly between frames and type of cross string also due to the varied spacing up top and how soft the cross strings are.
I find lowering the tension on the outer mains to have a significant benefit for me. I string my middle eight mains at 48 pounds and decrease to the outer mains at 35 pounds. When I mis-hit off to the side, the lower main tension gives me a slightly higher launch angle, which compensates for some of the racquet head twist. Overall, the racquet is more forgiving and the shot lands closer to where I aimed.
 

Spin Diesel

Rookie
Thanks for all your suggestions!

I know that altogether rackets don’t feel so great when hitting too high in the stringbed. But I found the phantom pro 100p to be especially bad in that regard. I also read from other people experiencing the same thing.
But I will definitely try the proportional stringing of the crosses. That sounds like something worth a try in any case!

Seems like you‘re all agreeing on the gravity. :) I‘ll demo that one first.
 

Spin Diesel

Rookie
Oh, forgot to mention - @Papa Mango I already experimented with weight but as the racket isn‘t the most maneuvrable even stock, it doesn‘t particularly help my backhand as well as not helping much with the problem I have with the racket, unfortunately.
 

Injured Again

Hall of Fame
@Spin Diesel I'm sure you don't want to be using a racquet that is so hard to find, but Head used to make a racquet that had a huge sweetspot extending to about the third or fourth cross from the tip of the frame. This is that racquet:



Soft too, I'd probably estimate RA below 60. The sweetspot also extended down to about the third cross from the bottom. You have to work to mis-hit with this racquet.
 

beltsman

Legend
I do graduated tension for the crosses also to help expand the sweet spot vertically.
Using a softer cross like a soft poly, or even softer like multi or syngut, helps also.
Do you mind giving more info on how you string to move the sweet spot up? I'm curious
 
For me depending on curvature of the frame I decrease string tension by 1 lb. then 2 lbs, then 3 lbs. towards the tip. I used to string proportional laterally too, but I think for me it is better if I stick with the regular - same tension on all mains. I accept that miss hits will be down a lot in power but hopefully still give me some control.
 

phanamous

New User
A lot of trial and error.

I've strung crosses up top as much as 10lbs less than center and as little as 4lbs less.
10lbs is with a poly cross and a very tight 21 crosses pattern that's not spaced out much up top.
4lbs is with a soft cross, multi or syngut, with a more open pattern up top.
Stiff crosses need more graduated tension then soft. Usual pattern to increase in tension starting 3lbs, then 2, then 1.

Do you mind giving more info on how you string to move the sweet spot up? I'm curious
 

beltsman

Legend
A lot of trial and error.

I've strung crosses up top as much as 10lbs less than center and as little as 4lbs less.
10lbs is with a poly cross and a very tight 21 crosses pattern that's not spaced out much up top.
4lbs is with a soft cross, multi or syngut, with a more open pattern up top.
Stiff crosses need more graduated tension then soft. Usual pattern to increase in tension starting 3lbs, then 2, then 1.
Thanks!
 

beltsman

Legend
The proper term is called Proportional Stringing, which lowers the ref tension based on the length of the string pulled. Do the top 3 crosses at ref tension - 6#; crosses 4-6 at ref tension - 4#; crosses 7-9 at ref tension - 2#. Change back to ref tension for remaining crosses.
Would this apply for the mains too?
 

esgee48

G.O.A.T.
@beltsman - If you only want to move the sweet spot towards the tip, changing tension on mains will not do it. If you also vary tension on the mains, you will also increase response across the rest of the racquet face. That is not what OP was asking.
 

n8dawg6

Legend
@Spin Diesel I'm sure you don't want to be using a racquet that is so hard to find, but Head used to make a racquet that had a huge sweetspot extending to about the third or fourth cross from the tip of the frame. This is that racquet:



Soft too, I'd probably estimate RA below 60. The sweetspot also extended down to about the third cross from the bottom. You have to work to mis-hit with this racquet.
i clearly remember these bad bois
 
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