Some players like to use old depressurized balls to play matches, do u encounter them?

Dondon

Semi-Pro
No aces no topspin serves

Feels like clay court without the high bounce

Just rallies up and feels weird playing like dat
 

zaph

Professional
The solution is simple, stop being tight and buy some new balls.

To be fair, at club events we often use old balls, for cost reasons. You simply have to adapt. They don't take topspin away, they simply bounce a bit lower. Bend your knees, get lower.

The real fun is when you play with a mixture of old and new ones. It can be quite handy, fancy a free point on the serve? Switch from an old to a new ball or the other way round and watch the poor sod at the other end miss completely.

Playing with old balls can be good practice, it forces to work on your footwork, especially if you play someone who slices allot.
 

acintya

Legend
the one thing i hate in tennis the most is that there are so much variables.
there should be only 10 racquets to choose from,and 1 ball type,maybe 10 strings.
thats all.

too much bad lollipops on this world
 

3virgul14

Rookie
This is absolutely true. Strings go dead, balls go flat, courts get dirty , wind is another thing. One day I play like a pro, next day new match and I cant hit 3 balls in a rally , ends up long or in the net..You gotta live tennis to be ready all the time..



the one thing i hate in tennis the most is that there are so much variables.
there should be only 10 racquets to choose from,and 1 ball type,maybe 10 strings.
thats all.

too much bad lollipops on this world
 

IowaGuy

Hall of Fame
No aces no topspin serves

Feels like clay court without the high bounce

Just rallies up and feels weird playing like dat
Just crack open a new can of balls if someone suggests playing with old ones...

I always keep a couple of new cans in my bag - I refuse to play with used balls...
 

Enga

Hall of Fame
I like practicing with dead balls just for money saving and because I think theyre easier to get a rally going with, but for an official match for sure I would open a new can. I can only think the reason someone wouldnt is because they want an advantage, so theyre using balls that they are literally accustomed to.
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
Stay at 3.0 and that always happens.
Some cheap 4.0's never bring balls.
I buy by the case and always bring at least a fresh can. I sometimes bring a can of used to hit serves with if the other players are late.
 

BlueB

Legend
When I play lower level players I sometimes purposely pull out a can of older balls to help them extend the rallies.
I don't mind reusing balls for an extra rec match either. If it's a club match, then new balls for sure.

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r2473

G.O.A.T.
When I first started playing, I played with a group of 4.0 old park rats that would always play with old balls. No matter how hard you hit, you couldn’t get it by them and they could push everything back.

I always pretended I didn’t know what they were doing.
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
When I first started playing, I played with a group of 4.0 old park rats that would always play with old balls. No matter how hard you hit, you couldn’t get it by them and they could push everything back.

I always pretended I didn’t know what they were doing.
You should have brought Sureshs. They wouldn't be able to return his power.
 

user92626

G.O.A.T.
A match should always be played with fresh balls, I don't get why people would play with used balls yet alone dead balls.
I play matches with used balls provided that they are still hard to squeeze and relatively bouncy. Obviously not the grade of brand new balls.

Why? There are always plenty of those laying around. 4, 5,7 of them at the back fence. The convenience outweighs whatever the benefits of new balls there are, which are usually in player's head only. Our levels don't take advantage of new balls and new balls always get lost for some reason.

I hate to go look for the 3rd one and I do not like to play with two.

Today I played a lunch match with one week old balls. I still could hit to outpace my opponents. No problems.
 

TagUrIt

Hall of Fame
Just crack open a new can of balls if someone suggests playing with old ones...

I always keep a couple of new cans in my bag - I refuse to play with used balls...

Same here, I keep a couple of cans in my bag just in case. If it’s just hitting around I’ll use old balls, but for a match they need to be brand new. I couldn’t imagine playing a USTA match without popping a fresh can.
 

Morch Us

Professional
How do they react when you open a new can and offer to use that?

If they are OK playing with older balls, it is not on them to bring new balls (yes, really). You bring your own new balls or stop complaining.

always play with old balls
 

Morch Us

Professional
It is definitely better to ALWAYS pop open a new can if you are serious about matches, so you are always used to the new ball feel. But if you are not, then it is just personal preference. I am sure nearly everyone would want to use new balls. You can even use the kids orange balls to get a good hitting session, it just wont be the same pace, but the court dimensions are same irrespective of ball pace. It may actually even help some 3.5bashers (TTPS terminology) understand the game better and improve, since control is actually exaggerated with dead balls.
 

SystemicAnomaly

Talk Tennis Guru
@3virgul14
the one thing i hate in tennis the most is that there are so much variables.
there should be only 10 racquets to choose from,and 1 ball type,maybe 10 strings.
thats all.

too much bad lollipops on this world
Good luck with that. Players have different strengths and weaknesses. Different Anatomy. Different playing styles. Different preferences. Etc.

Some players need more power from their rackets. Especially those with slow or short swings. But pros, on the other hand, usually opt for a low-powered racket. Ditto for players with fast swings. Some players like light rackets or frames with a light swingweight. Others prefer heavy racquets or ones with a high swingweight. And then some players need something in between. Can't dictate that everyone uses the same racket because it might not suit them at all.

Besides differences in swing weights, players have preferences for different racket balance. Some baseliners might like a head heavy racket whereas a doubles player my prefer a racket that is headlight or evenly-balanced. Some players like open string patterns others like dance string patterns.

Some players break strings a lot. Others do not. Some want a string that will provide more ball spin but others they prefer to hit a bit flatter. All these players are not going to want the same type of string. And then there is the matter of string tension. You can alter the plain characteristics quite a bit with the type of string and the string tension employed.

There are a lot of other important variables in tennis that I will bring up in my next post.
 
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SystemicAnomaly

Talk Tennis Guru
@3virgul14
the one thing i hate in tennis the most is that there are so much variables.
there should be only 10 racquets to choose from,and 1 ball type,maybe 10 strings.
thats all.

too much bad lollipops on this world
One ball type would not work at all. A ball that is suitable for Roland Garros would not be suitable for Wimbledon. Balls bounce differently on clay than they do on grass or on hard courts . A clay court requires a standard-duty ball whereas the ATP pros normally use an extra-duty ball on hard courts. The WTA players use a standard duty ball for many hard-court events. But at some events they use the same ball that the men do.

A ball that works well at sea level would be unsuitable at high elevations.

There are some other significant variables that we encounter in tennis. Even if you never play on grass courts on clay courts, you will find quite a variety of differences on various hard courts. Some hard courts are very abrasive and will be relatively slow compared to other faster hard courts.

Temperature can make a HUGE difference with tennis balls and a lesser difference with strings head racket performance. Balls will be much livelier on a hot day than they will be on a cold day. Humidity and barometric pressure can also have a significant effect on the way a ball behaves.

You might also find playing in natural sunlight will differ than playing under court lights. And lighting will differ from one set of courts to the next. Even playing during the day, sometimes you will have to deal with partial shadows which can be quite challenging. Other times you have to deal with bright sunlight.

Yes, there are a lot of varables to deal with. Learning to deal with them comes with experience.
 
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FiReFTW

Legend
I play matches with used balls provided that they are still hard to squeeze and relatively bouncy. Obviously not the grade of brand new balls.

Why? There are always plenty of those laying around. 4, 5,7 of them at the back fence. The convenience outweighs whatever the benefits of new balls there are, which are usually in player's head only. Our levels don't take advantage of new balls and new balls always get lost for some reason.

I hate to go look for the 3rd one and I do not like to play with two.

Today I played a lunch match with one week old balls. I still could hit to outpace my opponents. No problems.
Are you serious?

I notice a noticable decrease of serve speed even after 1 set of playing with new balls.
 

SystemicAnomaly

Talk Tennis Guru
No aces no topspin serves

Feels like clay court without the high bounce

Just rallies up and feels weird playing like dat
You might compromise with these players. Many rec players around here like to use I like to use Penn Championship balls cuz they are cheaper and softer than most other balls. Outside of the US these are sold as Head Championship balls. The extra duty version will fly a little slower than the standard duty version.

If you don't want to be the one who always supplies brand new balls, keep some balls around that are in decent shape and only have one or two sets on them. Note that Penn (Head) Championship balls with two sets on them will be soft with a bit lower bounce but will still be livelier than an unpressurized ball that is almost dead.
 

weelie

Semi-Pro
I play a 1h match league here... and I made the mistake of agreeing to play with old balls last month once... so I lost that match (I was down 5-6 and the opponent started slowing the play... eventually he won 5-7), won the other 3. Will not make the same mistake again. It's just that I hate the waste. I do use the old balls in my own practices with friends or the ball machine.

And I want to take another match on the side with the guy I lost to, with old balls if he wants, to learn to win against his pusher play. :)
 

34n

Semi-Pro
I grew up in the environment where were about 5 racquets to choose from. Three of them unplayable. One ball type and three types of strings.
No fun, trust me. Enjoy diversity.


the one thing i hate in tennis the most is that there are so much variables.
there should be only 10 racquets to choose from,and 1 ball type,maybe 10 strings.
thats all.

too much bad lollipops on this world
 

user92626

G.O.A.T.
Are you serious?

I notice a noticable decrease of serve speed even after 1 set of playing with new balls.
Maybe you and your circle serve bullets.

We're weekend warriors :) I rarely see anyone win on serving. It's mostly always about running, making the ball into the box.

Old ball is catch 22. They are less 100% alike like new balls. It's ok by me, as long as they don't make flopping sound on contact.

The plus side is there are so many of medium good balls lying around 'til the end of the day. We are able to focus our time more on playing than on looking for a missing newly opened ball.
 

FiReFTW

Legend
Maybe you and your circle serve bullets.

We're weekend warriors :) I rarely see anyone win on serving. It's mostly always about running, making the ball into the box.

Old ball is catch 22. They are less 100% alike like new balls. It's ok by me, as long as they don't make flopping sound on contact.

The plus side is there are so many of medium good balls lying around 'til the end of the day. We are able to focus our time more on playing than on looking for a missing newly opened ball.
Yes but the older the ball is the slower it is, hence the harder to win points, well unless you just push the ball in then I guess it might be a disadvantage against certain players.
 

user92626

G.O.A.T.
Yes but the older the ball is the slower it is, hence the harder to win points, well unless you just push the ball in then I guess it might be a disadvantage against certain players.
Do you have a chart or data that shows something like:

New ball = 100 mph
3 days old = 85 mph
1 week old = 70 mph

Something like that to make your assertion more meaningful.

However, it seems like the difference is very negligible for us. If I can hit a winner with a 60 mph ball, it's still a winner with a 55 mph, days old balls.

On the flip side, do YOU open more than 1 new can each time? Because new balls always goes missing at public courts. It breaks my focus to have to take time to go look for them or get asked to check on a ball for the guys in next court.
 

FiReFTW

Legend
Do you have a chart or data that shows something like:

New ball = 100 mph
3 days old = 85 mph
1 week old = 70 mph

Something like that to make your assertion more meaningful.

However, it seems like the difference is very negligible for us. If I can hit a winner with a 60 mph ball, it's still a winner with a 55 mph, days old balls.

On the flip side, do YOU open more than 1 new can each time? Because new balls always goes missing at public courts. It breaks my focus to have to take time to go look for them or get asked to check on a ball for the guys in next court.
No I don't usually lose balls, well the difference might be little, but tennis is a sport of little differences, the winner of a tennis match usually wins 52-55% of total points, so a few points here and there, an ace here and there etc.. can be crucial.
 

AlexSV

Rookie
You might compromise with these players. Many rec players around here like to use I like to use Penn Championship balls cuz they are cheaper and softer than most other balls. Outside of the US these are sold as Head Championship balls. The extra duty version will fly a little slower than the standard duty version.

If you don't want to be the one who always supplies brand new balls, keep some balls around that are in decent shape and only have one or two sets on them. Note that Penn (Head) Championship balls with two sets on them will be soft with a bit lower bounce but will still be livelier than an unpressurized ball that is almost dead.
I hate those Penn Championship balls. It seems like everyone has them since they can be bought at Costco for a decent price.
 

SystemicAnomaly

Talk Tennis Guru
I hate those Penn Championship balls. It seems like everyone has them since they can be bought at Costco for a decent price.
Yeah, I'm not fond of them. either. Popular with others cuz of price and softer feel. For me they often lose too much bounce by the 2nd or 3rd set of doubles. Also 1 ball in every can seems be be different from the other two. Sometimes it's a cosmetic reject (ok by me). But more often, it bounces lower than the other 2 balls.

The only time I really like them is when playing on cold nights. Other balls feel like rocks in cold weather... the Penn Champs, mych less so.
 

jxs653

Semi-Pro
I grew up in the environment where were about 5 racquets to choose from. Three of them unplayable. One ball type and three types of strings.
No fun, trust me. Enjoy diversity.
I read somewhere people got happier when they had more choices upto seven but eight and up the more there are to choose from the more displeasure people felt.
 
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Searah

Semi-Pro
when we play matches, they have a fresh can of balls opened.

but different clubs have different sponsors or something like that. so different balls have different feelings ect.
 

Rafaboy

Rookie
mid and lower level players love to use old balls because its easy to play and makes them feel like they are expert.

get on the box and lets see how good u can hit the fresh balls.

usually lowers their level at least a point or two.
 
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