Some reality on Roddick

McEnborg

Semi-Pro
I know guys like to joke on these boards. But, the disrespect Roddick gets is very annoying and ridiculous. Some reality.

1) 75% winning percentage in Grand Slams
2) 5 Major finals, 1 win. Incredibly close loss in '09 Wimbledon final to Federer--got a little unlucky or would have a Wimbleton title
3) 9 Masters series finals, FIVE victories
4) 5 more Major semi-final appearances-10 overall
5) 30 Career ATP tournament victories.
6) 20 additional ATP final appearances-50 final appearances overall
7) Against Verdasco, Berdych, Davedenko, Ferraro, Nalbandian, Safin, Robredo, Meltzer, Stepanek, Ancic, Ljubicic, Hewitt, Baghdatis, Gasquet, Kiefer, Coria, Gonzalez...all former top 10's---HOW ABOUT 104-27???
9) 5-3 Lifetime record against Djokovic
10) Has beaten Nadal 3 times
11) 20 million in career prize money
12) Most tirebreaks won in a row (18)

and.....

13) How about 31-11 in Davis Cup??? Almost always at number one.
He's had numerous clutch victories, has played the 4th most Davis Cup matches of ANY US player and led them to the 2007 Cup Victory.

So...because Roddick has only been able to win the one Slam, and because he's not had same brilliant careers of McEnroe, Connors, Sampras, Agassi---does that mean he hasn't been tremendouly successful? HE'S BEEN IN THE SAME EXACT 8 year era of the greatest player in the history of the game. He's been in the same exact era for the last 6 years of, arguably, the 2nd or 3rd greatest player in the history of the game in Nadal.

Ok, so Roddick can be arrogant. So what? Connors, McEnroe???? Roddick has been tremendously loyal to the US in Davis Cup and has represented this country incredibly well. Did PETE play anywhere near the same # of Davis Cup matches?? How about Andre?-not even close to the number of Roddick.

Andy could EASILY have 4-5 majors if he didn't have to run up against the greatest player in the history of the game numerous times. So, because he's won just the one slam...let's see...I guess Carlos Moya, Juan Carlos Ferraro, Goran Ivanisevic, Michael Chang, Richard Krajicek, Thomas Muster--these all are bums like Roddick? Oh, and let's not forget about Andy Murray, Davydenko, Verdasco, Todd Martin, David Nalbandian, Tommy Haas, Jonas Bjorkman, Tomas Berdych and MANY other great players......I guess these non-slam winners are all bums.

The reality is that Andy Roddick is one of the 50 best players of all time. If you don't believe that, you aren't looking at the number of WINS--30 career titles, 20 more finals, 10 semi-final appearances in slams, 5 finals appearances, 5 Masters' wins and 4 more finals and 33 Davis Cup wins. And how about 569 career match wins and OVER a 75% winning percentage.

Can we lay off this guy and just appreciate his (yes, I'm saying it) GREATNESS????????????
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
I know guys like to joke on these boards. But, the disrespect Roddick gets is very annoying and ridiculous. Some reality.

1) 75% winning percentage in Grand Slams
2) 5 Major finals, 1 win. Incredibly close loss in '09 Wimbledon final to Federer--got a little unlucky or would have a Wimbleton title
3) 9 Masters series finals, FIVE victories
4) 5 more Major semi-final appearances-10 overall
5) 30 Career ATP tournament victories.
6) 20 additional ATP final appearances-50 final appearances overall
7) Against Verdasco, Berdych, Davedenko, Ferraro, Nalbandian, Safin, Robredo, Meltzer, Stepanek, Ancic, Ljubicic, Hewitt, Baghdatis, Gasquet, Kiefer, Coria, Gonzalez...all former top 10's---HOW ABOUT 104-27???
9) 5-3 Lifetime record against Djokovic
10) Has beaten Nadal 3 times
11) 20 million in career prize money
12) Most tirebreaks won in a row (18)

and.....

13) How about 31-11 in Davis Cup??? Almost always at number one.
He's had numerous clutch victories, has played the 4th most Davis Cup matches of ANY US player and led them to the 2007 Cup Victory.

So...because Roddick has only been able to win the one Slam, and because he's not had same brilliant careers of McEnroe, Connors, Sampras, Agassi---does that mean he hasn't been tremendouly successful? HE'S BEEN IN THE SAME EXACT 8 year era of the greatest player in the history of the game. He's been in the same exact era for the last 6 years of, arguably, the 2nd or 3rd greatest player in the history of the game in Nadal.

Ok, so Roddick can be arrogant. So what? Connors, McEnroe???? Roddick has been tremendously loyal to the US in Davis Cup and has represented this country incredibly well. Did PETE play anywhere near the same # of Davis Cup matches?? How about Andre?-not even close to the number of Roddick.

Andy could EASILY have 4-5 majors if he didn't have to run up against the greatest player in the history of the game numerous times. So, because he's won just the one slam...let's see...I guess Carlos Moya, Juan Carlos Ferraro, Goran Ivanisevic, Michael Chang, Richard Krajicek, Thomas Muster--these all are bums like Roddick? Oh, and let's not forget about Andy Murray, Davydenko, Verdasco, Todd Martin, David Nalbandian, Tommy Haas, Jonas Bjorkman, Tomas Berdych and MANY other great players......I guess these non-slam winners are all bums.

The reality is that Andy Roddick is one of the 50 best players of all time. If you don't believe that, you aren't looking at the number of WINS--30 career titles, 20 more finals, 10 semi-final appearances in slams, 5 finals appearances, 5 Masters' wins and 4 more finals and 33 Davis Cup wins. And how about 569 career match wins and OVER a 75% winning percentage.

Can we lay off this guy and just appreciate his (yes, I'm saying it) GREATNESS????????????

The problem for Roddick was not Federer, his problem was that Federer played CONSISTANTLY well in Slams in 2003-2010 which is Andy's whole career really.

The same goes for Agassi. You think he would've won 8 majors if Sampras consistently played his best in 1992-2000? Take away his 1994/1999 US Opens for sure, maybe 1992 Wimbledon as well.

Roddick was just extremely unlucky to land in the same era with Federer. I don't think anyone would compete for the Slams in 2004-2007, except for maybe Sampras, Nadal (on clay mostly) and Borg (on clay mostly). All the McEnroe's, Connors', Becker's, Edberg's could only dream of winning 6+ majors playing in the Federer era.
 

GoSurfBoy

Semi-Pro
This board, like so much of life, is filled with 'arm chair quarterbacks', who could never dream of playing anywhere near approaching pro-level in sports - but always seem knowledgeable enough to ridicule or offer 'opinions'.

While I am not a 'fan' of Roddick - nor any player, for that matter (I'm simply not the 'fan-type'), I respect Andy for putting his guts on the line, his hard work, and his 'fighting' attitude; He is simply not a quitter.

I hardly ever read this section because I don't 'follow' players, but I saw this on the main board when I opened up and thought I'd post...worthless, or not....lol
 
Gotta agree with the OP & #4, ARod has over achieve all things considered. Maybe he would have won more slams if he had gotten better footwork earlier in his career and developed a net game to take advantage of his forehand and serve.

Then again I don't get to wake up next to Brooklyn Decker in the morning. And nobody does press conferences like him.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrlTWE9sSYg
 

Sentinel

Bionic Poster
Good OP, ... however his behavior has been appalling, esp. compared to the gentlemanly behavior of the top 2: Murray and Novak.
 
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Deleted member 45559

Guest
this thread just made my day. thank you so much for putting this out there i am so sick and tired of people talking sh*t about andy it really gets annoying. awesome points and im glad im not the only one out there that feels the same way man!
 

Blue Cat

Banned
Good OP, ... however his behavior has been appalling, esp. compared to the gentlemanly behavior of the top 2: Murray and Novak.

Yep. Instead of arguing over poor calls etc etc, Roddick should cry in slam finals like Murray:roll:. Roddick might not be a gentleman, but he's not some retirmentGOAT like Djokovic or a cryer like Murray. That post did make me laugh.
 

McEnborg

Semi-Pro
The problem for Roddick was not Federer, his problem was that Federer played CONSISTANTLY well in Slams in 2003-2010 which is Andy's whole career really.

The same goes for Agassi. You think he would've won 8 majors if Sampras consistently played his best in 1992-2000? Take away his 1994/1999 US Opens for sure, maybe 1992 Wimbledon as well.



You need to remember that Andre was VERY close to Pete. Your argument here is very weak. Andre beat Pete FOURTEEN times and won only 10 less career tournaments than him. He also won a Gold, which Pete didn't. He also won the career slam and the French--which Pete didn't. They were very, very close. The only difference was Pete's brilliant serving under pressure in some of their finals. Andre could have beaten Pete in '95 Open final if he had some normal rest and didn't have to play Becker until 10 at night the day before the final.
 

monique s

Rookie
I know guys like to joke on these boards. But, the disrespect Roddick gets is very annoying and ridiculous. Some reality.

1) 75% winning percentage in Grand Slams
2) 5 Major finals, 1 win. Incredibly close loss in '09 Wimbledon final to Federer--got a little unlucky or would have a Wimbleton title
3) 9 Masters series finals, FIVE victories
4) 5 more Major semi-final appearances-10 overall
5) 30 Career ATP tournament victories.
6) 20 additional ATP final appearances-50 final appearances overall
7) Against Verdasco, Berdych, Davedenko, Ferraro, Nalbandian, Safin, Robredo, Meltzer, Stepanek, Ancic, Ljubicic, Hewitt, Baghdatis, Gasquet, Kiefer, Coria, Gonzalez...all former top 10's---HOW ABOUT 104-27???
9) 5-3 Lifetime record against Djokovic
10) Has beaten Nadal 3 times
11) 20 million in career prize money
12) Most tirebreaks won in a row (18)

and.....

13) How about 31-11 in Davis Cup??? Almost always at number one.
He's had numerous clutch victories, has played the 4th most Davis Cup matches of ANY US player and led them to the 2007 Cup Victory.

So...because Roddick has only been able to win the one Slam, and because he's not had same brilliant careers of McEnroe, Connors, Sampras, Agassi---does that mean he hasn't been tremendouly successful? HE'S BEEN IN THE SAME EXACT 8 year era of the greatest player in the history of the game. He's been in the same exact era for the last 6 years of, arguably, the 2nd or 3rd greatest player in the history of the game in Nadal.

Ok, so Roddick can be arrogant. So what? Connors, McEnroe???? Roddick has been tremendously loyal to the US in Davis Cup and has represented this country incredibly well. Did PETE play anywhere near the same # of Davis Cup matches?? How about Andre?-not even close to the number of Roddick.

Andy could EASILY have 4-5 majors if he didn't have to run up against the greatest player in the history of the game numerous times. So, because he's won just the one slam...let's see...I guess Carlos Moya, Juan Carlos Ferraro, Goran Ivanisevic, Michael Chang, Richard Krajicek, Thomas Muster--these all are bums like Roddick? Oh, and let's not forget about Andy Murray, Davydenko, Verdasco, Todd Martin, David Nalbandian, Tommy Haas, Jonas Bjorkman, Tomas Berdych and MANY other great players......I guess these non-slam winners are all bums.

The reality is that Andy Roddick is one of the 50 best players of all time. If you don't believe that, you aren't looking at the number of WINS--30 career titles, 20 more finals, 10 semi-final appearances in slams, 5 finals appearances, 5 Masters' wins and 4 more finals and 33 Davis Cup wins. And how about 569 career match wins and OVER a 75% winning percentage.

Can we lay off this guy and just appreciate his (yes, I'm saying it) GREATNESS????????????

Sir, can I tell you it is refreshing to read your post. All you say is totally correct. I follow his career and I know of all his accomplishments. The Andy haters only focus on the fact that he argues with umpires.....maybe more players should so the umpires would do their job and not only call the score. And if you take all of his 700 matches, there are only a few where Andy lost his temper but like I said, that all somebody want to see. I like you for posting this. Thank you, thank you.:)
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
Success in wrong order

If ARod had taken a slower path to his lone Slam win and brief #1 status, you wouldn't need all that statsheet data to make your argument. We Americans had been spoiled by the two generations before ARod. The early success just primed the pump for the mantle to be handed over and retained by a very young champion. That he was overtaken by a GOAT (?) or two is disappointing to his US fanbase but hardly reason to trash his career accomplishments. A certain HofFer after retirement and a credit to the game. A credit to courage, too: Rome hotel fire bravery is to be lauded!
 

Rhino

Legend
2) 5 Major finals, 1 win. Incredibly close loss in '09 Wimbledon final to Federer--got a little unlucky or would have a Wimbleton title

He was also VERY close to not winning any majors. Nalbandian had that match point in the '03 semifinals of the US Open; not to mention he played a tired Ferrero in the final who was the first man in the (then) 35-year history of the Open era to have played four matches in four days at a Grand Slam tournament.
 

Power Player

Bionic Poster
A Rod has been in the top 10 for years. Most Tour pros dream of making the top 10 just once. Think about that.

Most people who say he sucks are generally angry people who do not really have a concept of what consistent professional level execution is all about. It's safer and easier for them to sit back and post hatred because it takes very little skill or talent.
 

Dgpsx7

Professional
I actually respect Roddick a lot. He has been in the top 10 for how many years now? He is a great player and although he doesn't have as many grand slams as some others he has beaten almost every good player around. I don't know why people hate on him.
 

Bud

Bionic Poster
I actually respect Roddick a lot. He has been in the top 10 for how many years now? He is a great player and although he doesn't have as many grand slams as some others he has beaten almost every good player around. I don't know why people hate on him.

Because he's an arrogant, smart-mouthed dbag, perhaps? :D

I'm American and can barely stand him.
 

Sid_Vicious

G.O.A.T.
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autumn_leaf

Hall of Fame
Because he's an arrogant, smart-mouthed dbag, perhaps? :D

I'm American and can barely stand him.

i don't know roddick, but i think on the court he has to be that way to pump himself up, mentally i'm a totally different person on court than off. i think too much of myself, i get frustrated, i expect more and just blow up when things go wrong a lot of time. off court i'm one of the most chill, quirky, calm guy around. i think this is the same for roddick when you see the pranks he pulls and the interviews he gives.

i'm an american too, i can barely stand him with his on court manner at times, but if i saw myself acting the way i do on court, i wouldn't be a fan of myself either, would you be a fan of yourself if you watched all your matches? we judge a player so critically when they breakdown, throw their racquet, swear, scream, grunt, fist pumps, etc.
 

Praetorian

Professional
Because he's an arrogant, smart-mouthed dbag, perhaps? :D

I'm American and can barely stand him.

Ever been to a High School Campus in America? I swear the majority of youngsters are like that.. and NO, I don't think Roddick influenced it.
 

swamlepow

New User
Being the kind and knowledgeable person I am, I am willing to offer my expertise.

My analysis of Roddick is as follows:

Pros: has one of the best serves the game has ever seen, Fighter, Hard-worker, consistent performance, Brooklyn Decker, American.

Cons: Know it all, arrogant, disrespectful. (Fact, capital F, no point arguing, don't)
 

FD3S

Hall of Fame
Are you kidding? Roddick? He is one of the most fan-friendly players around.

The way I've heard it, it sounds more like 60/40 in favour of being a nice fan experience; I've heard more good than bad, but I've heard enough bad to figure that his jerk moments aren't super rare.

As for Roddick himself - hell, if people want to hate him for his conduct, that's fine - it gets really boorish sometimes, and I say this as a fan.

The people that really get me, though, are the idiots that spout crap like Roddick possesses a 3.0 volley at best, or that he'd get destroyed by club pros w/o his serve, or that they'd rip consistent winners off his FH. Luckily most people on this board aren't that delusional, but outside...
 
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15_ounce

Guest
I don't care if he won 400 grandslams and has 400 million bucks in the bank... if I was a line judge or a ball boy and he mouthed off at me and treated me like an idiot, there is no way I can respect him one bit.
 

abeldm

New User
I have seen Andy play multiple times and it is always treat to get to see him... He is so determined and he never backs down. He hussles and puts his heart into his job day in and day out.
Post match, I have never seen a more fan friendly player. I've seen him go through hundreds of waiting people for autographs even though its late and I KNOW he is tired.
Thanks for starting the thread and all the great facts... I think He deserves big time respect.
 

Viper

Professional
Roddick is just as much as a jerk to the chair and ball boys as any other player. Unfortunately, most online tennis posters have this anti-American attitude and choose to only point out the flaws in Roddick, as opposed to others.


Roddick is a great player. Not the best, but definitely up there among the better non-Federers. A hard worker, and he's definitely classy in his interviews. A very gracious guy.
 

Colin

Professional
Because he's an arrogant, smart-mouthed dbag, perhaps? :D

But that's why I love him, Bud. :)

Actually, I think he's a smart-mouth, but I don't think he's as arrogant or as much of a dbag as a lot of people make him out to be. Maybe that's just because of the contrast with most tennis personalities today. Granted, he picks fights — some of them reasonable and some of them quite stupid — with umpires too often, but the umpires can be frustrating, too. The most calm and collected souls — Rafa and Roger — have raised a fuss with the umpires themselves in the past couple of years. And even when Andy gets in fights, it has a certain entertainment value that echoes Connors, McEnroe and past American agitators. He's a personality, which so few in the sport today are. That's something I don't take for granted, even if I roll my eyes sometimes.

Then, off the court, he's a very intelligent, well-spoken and entertaining personality in interviews. He's the GOAT of press conferences, to be sure — and will be a hell of a commentator one day. He's self-deprecating, he gives opponents their due, he tells it like it is and he doesn't follow some boring, PC script. He works incredibly hard on and off the court, donates time and money to charity, works as an ambassador for his sport and displays exemplary sportsmanship to his opponents. Maybe it's that disdain for the umpires, but when they get it wrong in his favor, he's one of the few who point it out. I can't remember anyone else who had the chance to win a match, but pointed out an error in his opponent's favor — and ended up losing. But it's better to lose honestly than to win when you don't deserve it.

Despite all the honorable achievements listed by the OP, that is why I love Andy, flaws and all. In fact, flawed and passionate individuals are always more interesting.
 

Sentinel

Bionic Poster
Hardly...his behavior is relatively tame compared to many other players.

Yep. Instead of arguing over poor calls etc etc, Roddick should cry in slam finals like Murray:roll:. Roddick might not be a gentleman, but he's not some retirmentGOAT like Djokovic or a cryer like Murray. That post did make me laugh.
Seems some sarcasm meters need a little twiddling.
 

rossi46

Professional
If Roddick had 1/8 of the talent and ability to win 8+ majors like Sampras and Agassi he wouldn't waste his time and energy on irrelevant Davis Cup.
 

McEnborg

Semi-Pro
If Roddick had 1/8 of the talent and ability to win 8+ majors like Sampras and Agassi he wouldn't waste his time and energy on irrelevant Davis Cup.

You, sir (or boy), are an incomprehensible jackass of epic proportion. IRRELEVANT DAVIS CUP???? Are you really that stupid? Do you know anything about the sport of tennis? Shut up before you post. You make yourself look stupid, disrespect the sport and disrespect the integrity of Davis Cup. Oh, by the way, did you see Nadal's intensity and passion in helping Spain win Davis Cup? Did you see his pure joy??

Do you know anything about McEnroe's allegiance to Davis Cup and all his brilliant victories?

Roddick has been to 10 grand slam semi-finals, and 5 slam finals. He's been to many othe quarterfinals. "If he had 1/8 the talent and ability to win 8+ majors...?---are you freaking kidding me?
 

rommil

Legend
You, sir (or boy), are an incomprehensible jackass of epic proportion. IRRELEVANT DAVIS CUP???? Are you really that stupid? Do you know anything about the sport of tennis? Shut up before you post. You make yourself look stupid, disrespect the sport and disrespect the integrity of Davis Cup. Oh, by the way, did you see Nadal's intensity and passion in helping Spain win Davis Cup? Did you see his pure joy??

Do you know anything about McEnroe's allegiance to Davis Cup and all his brilliant victories?

Roddick has been to 10 grand slam semi-finals, and 5 slam finals. He's been to many othe quarterfinals. "If he had 1/8 the talent and ability to win 8+ majors...?---are you freaking kidding me?


There you go........thats the Roddick way of doing things.
 

monique s

Rookie
But that's why I love him, Bud. :)

Actually, I think he's a smart-mouth, but I don't think he's as arrogant or as much of a dbag as a lot of people make him out to be. Maybe that's just because of the contrast with most tennis personalities today. Granted, he picks fights — some of them reasonable and some of them quite stupid — with umpires too often, but the umpires can be frustrating, too. The most calm and collected souls — Rafa and Roger — have raised a fuss with the umpires themselves in the past couple of years. And even when Andy gets in fights, it has a certain entertainment value that echoes Connors, McEnroe and past American agitators. He's a personality, which so few in the sport today are. That's something I don't take for granted, even if I roll my eyes sometimes.

Then, off the court, he's a very intelligent, well-spoken and entertaining personality in interviews. He's the GOAT of press conferences, to be sure — and will be a hell of a commentator one day. He's self-deprecating, he gives opponents their due, he tells it like it is and he doesn't follow some boring, PC script. He works incredibly hard on and off the court, donates time and money to charity, works as an ambassador for his sport and displays exemplary sportsmanship to his opponents. Maybe it's that disdain for the umpires, but when they get it wrong in his favor, he's one of the few who point it out. I can't remember anyone else who had the chance to win a match, but pointed out an error in his opponent's favor — and ended up losing. But it's better to lose honestly than to win when you don't deserve it.

Despite all the honorable achievements listed by the OP, that is why I love Andy, flaws and all. In fact, flawed and passionate individuals are always more interesting.
THANK YOU,COLIN. ANDY IS LUCKY TO HAVE YOU IN HIS CORNER. KEEP IT UP. SILENCE THE IGNORANT AND STUPID PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD.:)
 

jaggy

Talk Tennis Guru
It's not that he argues with umpires, its the bratty self-entitled way he does really turns me off him as a person. As a player I have a ton of respect for him.
 

Bryan Swartz

Hall of Fame
^^ this. There's a difference between respecting someone as an athlete and as a person of class.

One can(and often should) exist without the other.
 

Blue Cat

Banned
I agree with ya Bud, plus sprinkle in a little of my sig and its a recipe for dislike.

Your sig shows that you're quite an idiot actually. Can you hit a 50 mph forehand with as much spin as Roddick (actually generates 3rd most spin behind Nadal and Federer respectively) consistently without mishitting/shanking the ball consistently like Roddick does? Roddick certainly isn't my favourite player but posters who clearly don't play tennis calling him out to be a bad tennis player is beyond me.
 

cknobman

Legend
Your sig shows that you're quite an idiot actually. Can you hit a 50 mph forehand with as much spin as Roddick (actually generates 3rd most spin behind Nadal and Federer respectively) consistently without mishitting/shanking the ball consistently like Roddick does? Roddick certainly isn't my favourite player but posters who clearly don't play tennis calling him out to be a bad tennis player is beyond me.

Thanks idiot.

My sig does not refer to the amount of spin Roddick generates nor do I compare it to my own forehand. The comment is about how Roddick has changed his forehand from when he was younger and has refused to change it back. Everyone who knows Roddick and has seen him play since he was a junior knows his forehand is not what it used to be. This has been discussed to death on these boards and has even been brought up by commentators in his matches. Roddick gets too spinny and defensive with his forehands and it causes him trouble against aggressive hitters and ones who can play better from the baseline.

Assuming I have never played tennis is also very naive as you know nothing about me.

So thanks idiot.
 

Blue Cat

Banned
Thanks idiot.

My sig does not refer to the amount of spin Roddick generates nor do I compare it to my own forehand. The comment is about how Roddick has changed his forehand from when he was younger and has refused to change it back. Everyone who knows Roddick and has seen him play since he was a junior knows his forehand is not what it used to be. This has been discussed to death on these boards and has even been brought up by commentators in his matches. Roddick gets too spinny and defensive with his forehands and it causes him trouble against aggressive hitters and ones who can play better from the baseline.

Assuming I have never played tennis is also very naive as you know nothing about me.

So thanks idiot.



Actually I agree when addressing the problem Roddick has on his FH side but even as a junior he would resort to spinning forehands. Even Roddick in 2003 and 2004 hit with a lot of spin, he just put a lot more power into that stroke.



You insult a good shot in many ways and then call him out to play challengers.......LOL. You sound like such an intelligent person. So I'm sorry for labelling you an idiot. Roddick quite clearly lobs balls over the net and his forehand isn't in the ATP top 100:roll:. So when are you going to discover a cure for HIV?
 

cknobman

Legend
So when are you going to discover a cure for HIV?

I don't know but I'm working very closely on it with your doctors. :twisted:

Last night was yet another example of the holes in Roddicks game. I did not watch all of the second set because I was too discouraged after seeing him get continually out rallied from the back of the court in the first set.
 
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