Some recent match play

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
I don’t agree with JY. A fh can’t be constructed of checkpoints.
Ah man. All I can tell you is that his checkpoints really helped me. I had lessons with a couple of coaches and none of them helped my like Yandell did. The checkpoints were easier than focusing on contact and stuff. If I get the check points the results are there. Sadly I have forgotten them I think. Like a ton of things I forgot

Hope you are well.
 

ballmachineguy

Hall of Fame
Ah man. All I can tell you is that his checkpoints really helped me. I had lessons with a couple of coaches and none of them helped my like Yandell did. The checkpoints were easier than focusing on contact and stuff. If I get the check points the results are there. Sadly I have forgotten them I think. Like a ton of things I forgot

Hope you are well.
Well, glad they worked for you. Was one of them “elbow tucked firmly in ribs?” Hahaha

I haven’t heard after the MRI five days ago. If there looked to be a grapefruit in my skull, I’d think they’d have called. Did someone get back to you rather quickly?

Hope you are well also!
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
Well, glad they worked for you. Was one of them “elbow tucked firmly in ribs?” Hahaha

I haven’t heard after the MRI five days ago. If there looked to be a grapefruit in my skull, I’d think they’d have called. Did someone get back to you rather quickly?

Hope you are well also!
My MRis are after the fact now, so I get them and there is a doctor appointment scheduled after, so I go next monday to get the results. BTW I think you mentioned liking the open stance fhs more. I watched patrick Mouratogulo talking about eye dominance. I know now why the bh is easier for me that the fh....

I am betting you are right if you had your MRI and no one called you are probably OK.
 

JohnYandell

Hall of Fame
The point at which the hand and racket reach closest to the net and opponent. Usually with the wrist at eye level and inline with the opposite shoulder and with good (up to 2 feet depending on arms) spacing between the hand and the torso.
 

ballmachineguy

Hall of Fame
The point at which the hand and racket reach closest to the net and opponent. Usually with the wrist at eye level and inline with the opposite shoulder and with good (up to 2 feet depending on arms) spacing between the hand and the torso.
That will be highly dependent upon the shot. Hit flat and it may be more than two feet, hit a topspin lob and it may be less than a foot. You can’t just deviate from a swingpath because you want extension. A proper stroke will create the right amount of extension. You can’t just artificially create extension.
 

JohnYandell

Hall of Fame
I think my points are clear enough and I don't need to argue or convince anyone. It's an impasse not a discussion. Tiresome and not valuable to repeat over and over.
 

slipgrip93

Professional
tennis twist!


3. Love it because its super easy to transport, no need for multiple trips to the car or the house to charge, and most importantly I USE it. Bet lots of higher end machines are collecting dust...I don't recall seeing a ball machine at the courts in years. Except mine. Totally durable. Not all that adjustable. It has 4 height settings which I set on the highest and never mess will. Feed rate is constant and will slowly decrease as the battery wears out.

4. you can get an AC model or battery. I got the battery model and was using rechargeable batteries. Though as you know my life was turned upside down and just this week I got to the courts and the batteries had died. I had 3 rechargeable in my bag but it needs 6 so bought 6 normal ones (no idea where the charger is). Though it says the batteries last for 10 hours. Thats a ton of months or even years for the batteries to go.

Thanks for mentioning and describing it. I'd been considering a lower end and cheaper type for my first machine.
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
Thanks for mentioning and describing it. I'd been considering a lower end and cheaper type for my first machine.
Sure thing! If you watch some of the youtube coaching vids, high level coaches almost always are doing hand feeds and the Tennis Twist is great for that.
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
Was watching some vids and Patrick Mouratoglou talks about eye dominance and it explains why the bh is just an easier stroke for me, even with crap technique:

 

onehandbh

G.O.A.T.
Was watching some vids and Patrick Mouratoglou talks about eye dominance and it explains why the bh is just an easier stroke for me, even with crap technique:

I recommend that you move/set up your ball machine so that it feeds you balls more towards the ad side corner.

And instead of doing a little "dance" while you wait for the next feed, do this instead:
- after hitting a backhand, move back towards center of baseline, split step when the ball machine feeds again and then move back to the ad side corner to get in position and hit.

On balls that are usually near the center of the baseline, you should be trying to hit a forehand.
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
I recommend that you move/set up your ball machine so that it feeds you balls more towards the ad side corner.

And instead of doing a little "dance" while you wait for the next feed, do this instead:
- after hitting a backhand, move back towards center of baseline, split step when the ball machine feeds again and then move back to the ad side corner to get in position and hit.

On balls that are usually near the center of the baseline, you should be trying to hit a forehand.
Yeah I typically do move more like in this vid, but often I get around to the bh at the end of the session when I am super tired:

But if you had my forehand you might see why I would practice back hands in the middle of the court....never know when it will leave the court without me and some days the bh is the only thing that works.
 

Curious

G.O.A.T.
Yeah I typically do move more like in this vid, but often I get around to the bh at the end of the session when I am super tired:

But if you had my forehand you might see why I would practice back hands in the middle of the court....never know when it will leave the court without me and some days the bh is the only thing that works.
Look at the beauty of this take back. Excellent pendulum back, pendulum forward. Can you see the unnecessary elevation of your right hand in the initial phase of your take back in comparison? I suspect @ballmachineguy would agree!


 

ballmachineguy

Hall of Fame
Look at the beauty of this take back. Excellent pendulum back, pendulum forward. Can you see the unnecessary elevation of your right hand in the initial phase of your take back in comparison? I suspect @ballmachineguy would agree!


The reason you don’t see that much anymore is because they discovered a better way. It isn’t a more complicated way either.
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
Why is it harder?
I want to see your backhand against some fast incoming balls
With the loop the timing is harder. Fwiw I am a rec player and probably don’t see fast incoming balls. Here is some recent match play where I hit some backhands and some return winners:

 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
Yes. And Muster style promotes more coiling. And the swing is more inside out that way.
Don’t think it does. You literally get to the Muster position but have more tension and momentum. Get the Muster bh down and then move beyond it. There is a reason why Muster never makes the best one hander list.
 

Curious

G.O.A.T.
Don’t think it does. You literally get to the Muster position but have more tension and momentum. Get the Muster bh down and then move beyond it. There is a reason why Muster never makes the best one hander list.
Both your bh and fh are unnecessarily too loopy for the majority of people in my opinion even though they seem to work for you.
 
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SystemicAnomaly

Bionic Poster
With the loop the timing is harder. Fwiw I am a rec player and probably don’t see fast incoming balls. Here is some recent match play where I hit some backhands and some return winners:

Did you ever fix your service toss? It starts quite high and is very quickly released. It's even faster & shorter than a Roddick toss. I'd start the tossing motion much lower and employ a somewhat slower lifting motion. After the ball release, let the tossing hand follow the ball upwards so that your L arm is nearly vertical for your trophy phase.
 

onehandbh

G.O.A.T.
@Shroud if you stand near the T when serving to the ad side when you serve, with your toss being so far to your right you can hit a nasty down the middle slice serve in the ad side service box
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
Both your bh and fh are unnecessarily too loopy for the majority of people in my opinion even though they seem to work for you.
Forehand was super loopy in that vid. Been shortening it. But the bh loop is not big and if I need to I can do a muster and do on some fast shots. I also hit some open stance one handers in a pinch. Nice thing about not switching grips is that I am usually always ready to hit quick.

Though on the bh the loop is a thing. Look at the Atp tour. They all have loop takebacks.
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
@Shroud if you stand near the T when serving to the ad side when you serve, with your toss being so far to your right you can hit a nasty down the middle slice serve in the ad side service box
Thats a good point. I will try that but man I never mean to toss that far…
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
Did you ever fix your service toss? It starts quite high and is very quickly released. It's even faster & shorter than a Roddick toss. I'd start the tossing motion much lower and employ a somewhat slower lifting motion. After the ball release, let the tossing hand follow the ball upwards so that your L arm is nearly vertical for your trophy phase.
Thanks. My toss has always been problematic. Will fix it
 

Curious

G.O.A.T.
Here is a vid of 3 rec players all hitting loop bhs. Its a thing. Just like you see loop take backs on the fh, its a thing for the bh because its better. You don’t see forehands based on musters bh takeback.

It’s all over the place despite just rallying from the middle. None of you seem to be able to keep a 4 ball rally.
 

Curious

G.O.A.T.
Guys, @Shroud , I take it back. Who cares if it’s loopy or linear as long as it results in a good shot! I might be jealous because I’ve never been able to complete a loop, always ended up with a hemisphere. :D
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
Guys, @Shroud , I take it back. Who cares if it’s loopy or linear as long as it results in a good shot! I might be jealous because I’ve never been able to complete a loop, always ended up with a hemisphere. :D
It’s all over the place despite just rallying from the middle. None of you seem to be able to keep a 4 ball rally.
We were playing points and well I can't speak for the others, but I was outclassed and def not trying to keep a 4 ball rally!!!

For years I never had a loop and added one and now its just how I hit. FWIW you can hit with a loop. It seems more complex but its the same idea behind not using the "back scratch" position on the serve...
 

user92626

G.O.A.T.
Guys, @Shroud , I take it back. Who cares if it’s loopy or linear as long as it results in a good shot! I might be jealous because I’ve never been able to complete a loop, always ended up with a hemisphere. :D
What do you mean? Your FH does have a loop. Meaning you raise your racket in backswing good enough.
 

ballmachineguy

Hall of Fame
I might be jealous because I’ve never been able to complete a loop,
You’re not trying to make a loop. Your swing is not attempting to create any shape in particular. If you look at a video to see if you are making a certain shape, you’re doing it wrong.
 

Curious

G.O.A.T.
What do you mean? Your FH does have a loop. Meaning you raise your racket in backswing good enough.
We were talking about backhand but it’s similar on forehand too. Yes I raise my hand and racket in backswing which looks like a loop is starting but I can’t let it drop hence I said I end up creating a hemisphere rather than a sphere/loop.
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
Fwiw we played friday and I lost the 1st set 2-6 and was super tired. Fitness and heat tolerance is gone. Ugh

But I played on and won the next set 6-1. That is the first set I have won since the brain tumor! Forehand was working and serve/return was firing well.

Forgetting how to hit the forehand should be a thing of the past now!
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
Fwiw we played friday and I lost the 1st set 2-6 and was super tired. Fitness and heat tolerance is gone. Ugh

But I played on and won the next set 6-1. That is the first set I have won since the brain tumor! Forehand was working and serve/return was firing well.

Forgetting how to hit the forehand should be a thing of the past now!
Apparently my forehand doesn't read this thread and totally didn't show up yesterday. Ugh. Tennis is hard.
 
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