Something bizarre I noticed....

[TheFifthSet]

In 2003, Roger Federer won 46% of his return points, the highest of his career, one of the highest ever I reckon (higher than Djokovic this year) yet "only" won 29% of his return games to Djokovic's 40%. On hardcourts he won an absolutely mind-boggling 48% of his return points, yet somehow only won 28% of his return games. Djokovic won 46% of his return points on HC's this year yet won 43% of his games.

On the serve it's even more astonishing. They both won 87% of their return games that year, with the same breakpoint saved rate, yet Federer won 71% of his service points, tied for his highest rate ever, whereas Djokovic won 68%, and scored way way lower on first and second serve points won.

Overall, Federer is recorded to have won 58% of his points that year, his highest rate ever, and one of the highest in tour history. This MUST be a statistical error.

 

[OTMPut]

Fed's poor break point conversion rate is well known to TT community. It is well documented.

 

[Cup8489]

That devil break point conversion....

 

[DjokovicForTheWin]

On generic point per point basis, Federer is unparalleled by anyone in history. On critical point per point basis, Federer can turn into a mental midget. It's rather scary to think how many slams Federer would have won had he more mental strength on the biggest points - something that is not necessarily a function of inborn talent, but can be learned and developed.

 

[TheFifthSet]

That devil break point conversion....

Well actually it wasn't any worse than it normally is, 41%. But even with that BP conversion he still shoulda won more games on his return. It's enigmatic.

 

[TheFifthSet]

On generic point per point basis, Federer is unparalleled by anyone in history. On critical point per point basis, Federer can turn into a mental midget. It's rather scary to think how many slams Federer would have won had he more mental strength on the biggest points - something that is not necessarily a function of inborn talent, but can be learned and developed.

Well to be fair he is top 5 in break points saved since that stat started being tracked.

 

[TopFH]

If he had a bit more mental strength, Federer would've have won both 06 and 07 French Opens.

 

[Deleted member 54563]

I always thought Fed was a very underated returner, specially on his early years. He used to crush topspin backhand return winners much more often around that time.

 

[Mike Sams]

Nadal was almost gifting the trophy to Federer at the AO '09. It's still confusing how Federer managed to lose that match.:lol::lol: He looked so nervous and tentative right from the beginning.

 

[purge]

if you count total points then its not just about the break points and game points obviously. 2 players can end up winning the same amount of games over various sets with the exact same number of break points converted, missed and had alltogether. and one of them can still have won signifficantly more return points than the other. if you play a few return games that go to deuce multiple times but you still didnt have a BP while your own service games usually go love or -15 the BP count will be the same altho youll have won a much higher % of return points than the opponent.

yes fed has never been among the best in terms of break point conversion. but a full point % analysis like that doesnt have to mean much in that regard due to how the points can be distributed among the return games.

 

[Zildite]

That does seem low. I found that Hewitt (2002) won 43% of return points (-3), converted 42% of his BPs (+1) but ended up at 33% return games won (+4) for another example.
Coria (2003) also won 46% of his return points, converting 49% of BPs for 39% return games won.

 

[MariaRafael]

If he had a bit more mental strength, Federer would've have won both 06 and 07 French Opens.

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Yeah, sure. They were very close 5-setters, and Federer had all the chances :twisted:

 

[Biscuitmcgriddleson]

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Yeah, sure. They were very close 5-setters, and Federer had all the chances :twisted:

1/17 on bps in 2007.

 

[DjokovicForTheWin]

Well to be fair he is top 5 in break points saved since that stat started being tracked.

That may be, but there is a difference between BPs saved in the first game of the set versus one late in the set. It would be very interesting to see the distribution of when his BPs were actually won.

 

[Nathaniel_Near]

http://tennis28.com/slams/games_winpct_year.html

% Games won per year at Slams. Not been updated for a few years.