Sorana Cirstea annoyed by Konta reaction (Fed Cup)

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No idea where the other thread went.
So after Jo Konta's straight-set win at the Fed Cup, Sorana Cirstea took to the press to express her displeasure with Konta's "exaggerated" behaviour.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/39677397

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/te...Jo-Konta-exaggerated-Ilie-Nastase-ordeal.html

Cirstea claimed Konta had "overreacted".
"Someone crying cannot stop a match," she told BBC Sport.
"From a tennis point of view, Johanna deserved the win - she is a better player than me - but the behaviour of the British team was exaggerated.
"Why did we stop? Only because Johanna cried? I have never cried on the court because someone told me something. You have to toughen up.
"OK, at 2-1 you take our captain out, that was the right decision, but then at 3-1 I break you and now you cry. I am not saying it was fake, but it was not logical.
"Next time I'm in trouble I will cry, maybe I can go off the court. As Romanians we get double insulted because of our nation but it's OK, we are tough. Tougher than British people apparently."
'I've played all over the this world, they called me from gypsy to b***h to a******e to idiot,' she added, 'I never cried and left the court, I stay there and I play.
'Then when she came back on court she said to me: "I'm sorry." So she knew she exaggerated.
'I don't think the crowd did anything. Everyone was so nice, we treated you guys so nice.

Partly understand where she's coming from (in the way that she herself has been treated on/off court by other crowds). But she's only airing because she lost, and has to find some way to defend Nastase after all.
 
Krish872007 said:
No idea where the other thread went.
So after Jo Konta's straight-set win at the Fed Cup, Sorana Cirstea took to the press to express her displeasure with Konta's "exaggerated" behaviour.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/39677397

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/te...Jo-Konta-exaggerated-Ilie-Nastase-ordeal.html

Cirstea claimed Konta had "overreacted".
"Someone crying cannot stop a match," she told BBC Sport.
"From a tennis point of view, Johanna deserved the win - she is a better player than me - but the behaviour of the British team was exaggerated.
"Why did we stop? Only because Johanna cried? I have never cried on the court because someone told me something. You have to toughen up.
"OK, at 2-1 you take our captain out, that was the right decision, but then at 3-1 I break you and now you cry. I am not saying it was fake, but it was not logical.
"Next time I'm in trouble I will cry, maybe I can go off the court. As Romanians we get double insulted because of our nation but it's OK, we are tough. Tougher than British people apparently."
'I've played all over the this world, they called me from gypsy to b***h to a******e to idiot,' she added, 'I never cried and left the court, I stay there and I play.
'Then when she came back on court she said to me: "I'm sorry." So she knew she exaggerated.
'I don't think the crowd did anything. Everyone was so nice, we treated you guys so nice.

Partly understand where she's coming from (in the way that she herself has been treated on/off court by other crowds). But she's only airing because she lost, and has to find some way to defend Nastase after all.
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Bloody hell, I said exactly this and some idiot reported it & it was deleted. Konta took an emotional timeout. Ridiculous scenario. Completely agree with Sorana.
 
Krish872007 said:
No idea where the other thread went.
So after Jo Konta's straight-set win at the Fed Cup, Sorana Cirstea took to the press to express her displeasure with Konta's "exaggerated" behaviour.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/39677397

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/te...Jo-Konta-exaggerated-Ilie-Nastase-ordeal.html

Cirstea claimed Konta had "overreacted".
"Someone crying cannot stop a match," she told BBC Sport.
"From a tennis point of view, Johanna deserved the win - she is a better player than me - but the behaviour of the British team was exaggerated.
"Why did we stop? Only because Johanna cried? I have never cried on the court because someone told me something. You have to toughen up.
"OK, at 2-1 you take our captain out, that was the right decision, but then at 3-1 I break you and now you cry. I am not saying it was fake, but it was not logical.
"Next time I'm in trouble I will cry, maybe I can go off the court. As Romanians we get double insulted because of our nation but it's OK, we are tough. Tougher than British people apparently."
'I've played all over the this world, they called me from gypsy to b***h to a******e to idiot,' she added, 'I never cried and left the court, I stay there and I play.
'Then when she came back on court she said to me: "I'm sorry." So she knew she exaggerated.
'I don't think the crowd did anything. Everyone was so nice, we treated you guys so nice.

Partly understand where she's coming from (in the way that she herself has been treated on/off court by other crowds). But she's only airing because she lost, and has to find some way to defend Nastase after all.
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I think you've covered just about everything here in one short sentence. Maybe she would've said the same if she had won, but I very much doubt it. And Nastase is the last person I would defend.
 
Steve0904 said:
I think you've covered just about everything here in one short sentence. Maybe she would've said the same if she had won, but I very much doubt it. And Nastase is the last person I would defend.
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Very true. Quite possible that she may have faced insults from Nastase herself in tight situations - maybe serves as some form of "motivation"? I certainly wouldn't defend that man either.

Flip side - even as a Brit, I thought Jo's 25-minute timeout was excessive. More fragile than most, but then again we can't be sure exactly what was said to her to make her react that way. Would have definitely brought feelings about the death of her sports psychologist to the fore (some sort of emotional condition?)
 
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Krish872007 said:
Very true. Quite possible that she may have faced insults from Nastase herself in tight situations - maybe serves as some form of "motivation"? I certainly wouldn't defend that man either.

Flip side - even as a Brit, I thought Jo's 25-minute timeout was excessive. More fragile than most, but then again we can't be sure exactly what was said to her to make her react that way. Would have definitely brought feelings about the death of her sports psychologist to the fore (some sort of emotional condition?)
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I think the biggest thing here is that whether she should've controlled her emotions a bit better (i.e by not crying and taking a very long timeout) is kind of irrelevant tbh. Simply because Nastase should never be allowed to be abusive towards her or anybody else, even those on his own team.
 
Krish872007 said:
No idea where the other thread went.
So after Jo Konta's straight-set win at the Fed Cup, Sorana Cirstea took to the press to express her displeasure with Konta's "exaggerated" behaviour.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/39677397

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/te...Jo-Konta-exaggerated-Ilie-Nastase-ordeal.html

Cirstea claimed Konta had "overreacted".
"Someone crying cannot stop a match," she told BBC Sport.
"From a tennis point of view, Johanna deserved the win - she is a better player than me - but the behaviour of the British team was exaggerated.
"Why did we stop? Only because Johanna cried? I have never cried on the court because someone told me something. You have to toughen up.
"OK, at 2-1 you take our captain out, that was the right decision, but then at 3-1 I break you and now you cry. I am not saying it was fake, but it was not logical.
"Next time I'm in trouble I will cry, maybe I can go off the court. As Romanians we get double insulted because of our nation but it's OK, we are tough. Tougher than British people apparently."
'I've played all over the this world, they called me from gypsy to b***h to a******e to idiot,' she added, 'I never cried and left the court, I stay there and I play.
'Then when she came back on court she said to me: "I'm sorry." So she knew she exaggerated.
'I don't think the crowd did anything. Everyone was so nice, we treated you guys so nice.

Partly understand where she's coming from (in the way that she herself has been treated on/off court by other crowds). But she's only airing because she lost, and has to find some way to defend Nastase after all.
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The Israelis called Aga Radwanska far FAR worse in their Fed Cup tie years ago - Aga was called a ***** etc and did not cry or whine to the press
 
I just presume most people committing did not watch the match, Konta was dominating, it was only after the verbal abuse she got from Natase, which was also directed to the team captain(female), and the abuse she got from the crowd
Simona Helep pleaded with the crowd to behave, otherwise the team would be disqualified, why was that then?
Sorana said we are a lower country, she was definately right.
 
Sorana has a point. It's ridiculous to interrupt a match for 25 mins because a player feels a bit down. I'm sure there's no ground for that decision in the ATP rules.

And before someone says sour grapes, Sorana complained about it at the moment it was happening, when she was leading in the second set.
 
25 mins is 5 mto's and she wasnt injured. Anyone know the rule on walking off the court in davis cup/fed?

Nastase should of had his team get a point penalty, then a game penalty. They didnt handle this the right way at all.

Two very bad things happened today, tennis is looking unorganized
 
When there is an out of control individual spewing abuse to put off the other team, then I think a little allowance is necessary and legitimate.

Sending off a coach in football/ soccer is quite a reasonably common event, but not in tennis.
 
Rogerjohnson81 said:
Where is the abuse? Did Nasatse hit her or swing a ball and fracture her eye socket like Shapovolav did? People need to toughen up. Sticks and stones but words can never hurt me. This is a sport. People are going to get upset and express themselves. Abuse is violence; persecution. Calling someone an arse is not abuse. Is Wawrinka an abuser because he called Fed an arse? Is Fed an abuser for making Wawrinka cry?

I really believe that the british had it out for Nasatse since yesterday and probably even before. That is why they complained and created a fuss about nothing.
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It's no good trying to make out Konta and her team are the villains here. Konta may be a little over-sensitive but that's the way she is. The fault lies squarely with the abusive mouth and thoroughly unprofessional behaviour of the Romanian team captain but why should we be surprised there? Nastase has been behaving unprofessionally (and with cynical intent) ever since he first picked up a racquet. Fancy appointing the likes of him as their team captain? What did they expect? :rolleyes:
 
Rogerjohnson81 said:
Where is the abuse? Did Nasatse hit her or swing a ball and fracture her eye socket like Shapovolav did? People need to toughen up. Sticks and stones but words can never hurt me. This is a sport. People are going to get upset and express themselves. Abuse is violence; persecution. Calling someone an arse is not abuse. Is Wawrinka an abuser because he called Fed an arse? Is Fed an abuser for making Wawrinka cry?

I really believe that the british had it out for Nasatse since yesterday and probably even before. That is why they complained and created a fuss about nothing.
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At the same time, you are right and wrong :) Words could be more damaging than any physical abuse. This being said 25 minute MTO is insane, they are proffesionals and part of their job is to receive critisicm from the crowd or from former greats whom lost their mind. If Nastase did something wrong, just ban him and be over with it. Someone above said that this is sexism and he is kind of right because if it was Murray's wife, the reactions would be "OMG she is so cute", "man should be able to take a bad sentence or two"....
 
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It was a unique situation. My interpretation is that Nastase made his comments at Konta, then they eject him, then the crowd starts to lay into her. So, it was a double onslaught to Konta on the opponent's home court. Some things were said that were NSFW. Konta starts to feel overwhelmed and I believe the referee made the correct call to suspend play given her emotional state, which is fully within his right and he has the final word on the court.

I can sort of understand the Cirstea and the Romanian players wanting to save face and stick up for their team and their country. But at the end of the day, it's Nastase that owes just about everyone an apology. Halep was apologetic and defended Nastase by saying the rules were different in his day and he's a big jokester. Well, since he's the captain of the national team in 2017, it's his responsibility to be aware of the current rules so I don't buy that. As for Cirstea's comments about Konta, whatever... she was emotional during the press conference and that's the way tennis is, very emotional at times. She disagreed with the call made by the officals to suspend play, and subsequently called out her opponent for not playing fairly. I personally don't believe Johanna intentionally tried to use the situation to her advantage, but that's my perspective from the other side of the globe. Not to mention Great Britain's coach was insulted and perhaps some other players were insulted, that could have also fueled the reaction.

As for Nastase's earlier Serena comments, speaking from a US cultural context, those words would be deemed derogatory by a lot of people, myself included.
 
Krish872007 said:
No idea where the other thread went.
So after Jo Konta's straight-set win at the Fed Cup, Sorana Cirstea took to the press to express her displeasure with Konta's "exaggerated" behaviour.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/39677397

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/te...Jo-Konta-exaggerated-Ilie-Nastase-ordeal.html

Cirstea claimed Konta had "overreacted".
"Someone crying cannot stop a match," she told BBC Sport.
"From a tennis point of view, Johanna deserved the win - she is a better player than me - but the behaviour of the British team was exaggerated.
"Why did we stop? Only because Johanna cried? I have never cried on the court because someone told me something. You have to toughen up.
"OK, at 2-1 you take our captain out, that was the right decision, but then at 3-1 I break you and now you cry. I am not saying it was fake, but it was not logical.
"Next time I'm in trouble I will cry, maybe I can go off the court. As Romanians we get double insulted because of our nation but it's OK, we are tough. Tougher than British people apparently."
'I've played all over the this world, they called me from gypsy to b***h to a******e to idiot,' she added, 'I never cried and left the court, I stay there and I play.
'Then when she came back on court she said to me: "I'm sorry." So she knew she exaggerated.
'I don't think the crowd did anything. Everyone was so nice, we treated you guys so nice.

Partly understand where she's coming from (in the way that she herself has been treated on/off court by other crowds). But she's only airing because she lost, and has to find some way to defend Nastase after all.
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It got deleted from the odds and ends section, as once again it just turned incendiary and divisive. Idiots posted stupid stuff in there defending Natase, and one user even posted something like "I'm not going to watch another Fed Cup tie until Natase is reinstated as the Romanian coach." Maybe that user just shouldn't post here until Natase is reinstated, I think we'd all be better off without that kind of ignorance and blatant sexism on the forum.
 
Krish872007 said:
Very true. Quite possible that she may have faced insults from Nastase herself in tight situations - maybe serves as some form of "motivation"? I certainly wouldn't defend that man either.

Flip side - even as a Brit, I thought Jo's 25-minute timeout was excessive. More fragile than most, but then again we can't be sure exactly what was said to her to make her react that way. Would have definitely brought feelings about the death of her sports psychologist to the fore (some sort of emotional condition?)
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Oh no, it was bad man. Not only did Natase ask Keothavong (British coach) for her room number before the tie, but he was throwing a hissy fit and acting like a *****. Reports are that he had some choice words for the British Fed Cup team, he called them a bunch of bitches among other insulting things as the whole situation unfolded. Truly a disgraceful man with zero class and integrity.
 
Mainad said:
It's no good trying to make out Konta and her team are the villains here. Konta may be a little over-sensitive but that's the way she is. The fault lies squarely with the abusive mouth and thoroughly unprofessional behaviour of the Romanian team captain but why should we be surprised there? Nastase has been behaving unprofessionally (and with cynical intent) ever since he first picked up a racquet. Fancy appointing the likes of him as their team captain? What did they expect? :rolleyes:
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And my thing is, why didn't they just remove him before this whole thing? I mean he already made stupid racist remarks about Serena Williams and her baby, then has the audacity to ask Keothavong for he room number... You would think they'd just be like enough is enough, just stay away Ilie.
 
Surprising to see a fair few idiots on here banging on about toughening up etc. What's wrong in having high standards when it comes to not being verbally abused on a tennis court? Has the world become that vile? Konta did what she did; her behaviour is not the issue here.

As for Nastase; no excuses, what a misogynistic dinosaur. Never was any place for him in the women's game, terrible appointment in the first place.
 
Big_Dangerous said:
Oh no, it was bad man. Not only did Natase ask Keothavong (British coach) for her room number before the tie, but he was throwing a hissy fit and acting like a *****. Reports are that he had some choice words for the British Fed Cup team, he called them a bunch of bitches among other insulting things as the whole situation unfolded. Truly a disgraceful man with zero class and integrity.
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Really? Wow, that's a lot worse than I thought. Add this to the Serena incident and he's found a way to make himself feel relevant again. How did he get appointed?

I didn't actually see it unfold but I want to explore it further now - bad business all round

Most of the older posters will remember the spat between Nastase and Ashe,where taunts about Ashe's physical appearance culminated in a double disquification. He wasn't slammed in the press as much as he is know but he still seems to think he can get away with anything. It's like he's still stuck in the 70s
 
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Krish872007 said:
Really? Wow, that's a lot worse than I thought. Add this to the Serena incident and he's found a way to make himself feel relevant again. How did he get appointed?

I didn't actually see it unfold but I want to explore it further now - bad business all round

Most of the older posters will remember the spat between Nastase and Ashe,where taunts about Ashe's physical appearance culminated in a double disquification. He wasn't slammed in the press as much as he is know but he still seems to think he can get away with anything. It's like he's still stuck in the 70s
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Yeah, when I was watching the early stages of the Nadal/Goffin yesterday morning, they interrupted the match for a brief moment and Mary Carillo went off on him basically giving a rundown of the ugly scene that unfolded. It's just a shame that the whole thing really kind of taints a Fed Cup tie, and one that is taking place in Halep's hometown too. :(
 
Red Rick said:
New Rafa tactic?

And as for the Serena comment, well it's a stupid comment, but if you get offended by that you should really grow a spine.
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For starters I'm not sure where he was really going with that comment, but honestly, making a racist joke like that is pretty despicable. The guy should have more class than that, especially from a former pro player who's now coaching pro players... And why he chose to even weigh in on the whole thing is simply astounding in and of itself. He should have just kept his stupid racist mouth shut. The thing wasn't about him, it was about a Fed Cup tie in Romania vs the Brits... You would think he'd be more focused on getting his squad ready for the tie, instead of talking about a player who won't even be playing the rest of the season...
 
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Big_Dangerous said:
For starters I'm not sure where he was really going with that comment, but honestly, making a racist joke like that is pretty despicable. The guy should have more class than that, especially from a former pro player who's now coaching pro players... And why he chose to even weight in on the whole thing is simply astounding in an of itself. He should have just kept his stupid racist mouth shut. The thing wasn't about him, it was about a Fed Cup tie in Romania vs the Brits... You would think he'd be more focused on getting his squad ready for the tie, instead of talking about a player who won't even be playing the rest of the season...
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Obviously, he shoudln't have made any comment like that. What he did is completely stupid. It's a completely stupid place to start making random jokes, but in another setting it wouldn't be as bad.

I just get annoyed by how stupidly serious a lot of comments and jokes are taken, and frankly and so many issues would be non-issues if we'd just not bother with giving them so much attention. Don't dignify the idiot.
 
Didn't see it, so I can't really comment... But seems like everybody involved handled it poorly.


And by IT I mean the senile old **** with an ******* for a brain. Who the hell thought was a good idea to make somebody who belongs into a psychiatric detention ward the captain of a Fed cup team to begin with?
 
I believe it would be fair, if someone takes MTO, he should receive a two game penalty(one serve, one return). This way the rule wont be abused
 
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