Sorana Cirstea annoyed by Konta reaction (Fed Cup)

So just because she's been treated like **** in the past she thinks it's okay for others to be treated in the same way. Hmmm okay. Jo saying sorry isn't an admission of an overreaction. Cirstea comes across as a horrible person in her comments. I'm surprised the Romanian team aren't more supportive of their fellow players who shouldn't have to put up with this, no one should.
 
helennnnnn said:
So just because she's been treated like **** in the past she thinks it's okay for others to be treated in the same way. Hmmm okay. Jo saying sorry isn't an admission of an overreaction. Cirstea comes across as a horrible person in her comments. I'm surprised the Romanian team aren't more supportive of their fellow players who shouldn't have to put up with this, no one should.
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No, Cirstea is just being honest telling it the way it is. Konta should harden the **** up. There are worse things in life, obviously she has had it way too easy in life. Imagine what the Williams sisters have had to put up with.
 
Nastase is a loose cannon. By definition and nature they are more likely to do something unexpected and less familiar for the officials to deal with. It's all on Nastase for creating a situation officials should never have to deal with in a tennis match. Put officials under stress in unexpected and unfamiliar situations don't cry when the outcome doesn't go your way.

Now watch posters disagree with me and lay primary blame at the officials for not being 'better' rather than Nastase for behaving in way that has no place in a tennis match.
 
DRII said:
why do i think all the posters ridiculing Konta can really relate to this in some way?:

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Krish872007 said:
No idea where the other thread went.
So after Jo Konta's straight-set win at the Fed Cup, Sorana Cirstea took to the press to express her displeasure with Konta's "exaggerated" behaviour.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/39677397

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/te...Jo-Konta-exaggerated-Ilie-Nastase-ordeal.html

Cirstea claimed Konta had "overreacted".
"Someone crying cannot stop a match," she told BBC Sport.
"From a tennis point of view, Johanna deserved the win - she is a better player than me - but the behaviour of the British team was exaggerated.
"Why did we stop? Only because Johanna cried? I have never cried on the court because someone told me something. You have to toughen up.
"OK, at 2-1 you take our captain out, that was the right decision, but then at 3-1 I break you and now you cry. I am not saying it was fake, but it was not logical.
"Next time I'm in trouble I will cry, maybe I can go off the court. As Romanians we get double insulted because of our nation but it's OK, we are tough. Tougher than British people apparently."
'I've played all over the this world, they called me from gypsy to b***h to a******e to idiot,' she added, 'I never cried and left the court, I stay there and I play.
'Then when she came back on court she said to me: "I'm sorry." So she knew she exaggerated.
'I don't think the crowd did anything. Everyone was so nice, we treated you guys so nice.

Partly understand where she's coming from (in the way that she herself has been treated on/off court by other crowds). But she's only airing because she lost, and has to find some way to defend Nastase after all.
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Sorana is the BEST... she will be GOAT one day.... she is so CUTE too..........
 
So do people think Konta should have been DQ'd? For being outside the norms. Because if so, you have to DQ Romania. They had a coach traipsing around the court, (on the court), shouting. Not in the norms either.

Or are we just having a go at a girl crying?

I'm not going to judge Konta. She had a human reaction to being shouted at by a strange man. I hope to instill in my daughter the ability to not internalize that and to come right back over the top with aggression and profanity. If that's in her. Life has to be easier for a girl who can fire back at this nonsense. Or maybe not, I don't have the frame of reference to judge that. I'm just a tennis dad who would be more than willing to come over the boards for anyone clown shouting profanities at my daughter. Men are quick to be emotionally aggressive and physically forward with women because they don't have the physical fear that they might have to defend themselves. That's why you don't shout at women. It means you're weak and taking advantage of physical stature. That 70 year old man isn't having a run at Andy Murray like that.

The same as the GB coach had a human reaction to being sexually harrassed in her workplace and physically touched by a strange man. Its out of bounds. And its gamesmanship.

I also find it funny how a group of MB posters who probably just got down arguing about how to beat a pusher are questioning the toughness of a WTA pro who has spent more hours on a tennis court than most people on here will ever imagine. Pretty much the definition of a MB warrior.
 
PittsburghDad said:
So do people think Konta should have been DQ'd? For being outside the norms. Because if so, you have to DQ Romania. They had a coach traipsing around the court, (on the court), shouting. Not in the norms either.

Or are we just having a go at a girl crying?

I'm not going to judge Konta. She had a human reaction to being shouted at by a strange man. I hope to instill in my daughter the ability to not internalize that and to come right back over the top with aggression and profanity. If that's in her. Life has to be easier for a girl who can fire back at this nonsense. Or maybe not, I don't have the frame of reference to judge that. I'm just a tennis dad who would be more than willing to come over the boards for anyone clown shouting profanities at my daughter. Men are quick to be emotionally aggressive and physically forward with women because they don't have the physical fear that they might have to defend themselves. That's why you don't shout at women. It means you're weak and taking advantage of physical stature. That 70 year old man isn't having a run at Andy Murray like that.

The same as the GB coach had a human reaction to being sexually harrassed in her workplace and physically touched by a strange man. Its out of bounds. And its gamesmanship.

I also find it funny how a group of MB posters who probably just got down arguing about how to beat a pusher are questioning the toughness of a WTA pro who has spent more hours on a tennis court than most people on here will ever imagine. Pretty much the definition of a MB warrior.
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Nobody is condoning Nastase's actions here... Konta is also a grown woman, not a girl. I think she's pretty likable, but I don't understand why the timeout was allowed.

And if I remember correctly Konta once stopped play due to "exhaustion" or heat illness...something along those lines. That also sends the wrong message that you can just stop play if you're not feeling 100%, and resume play when you feel better and at the same time take opponent out of their rhythm.
 
fundrazer said:
Nobody is condoning Nastase's actions here... Konta is also a grown woman, not a girl. I think she's pretty likable, but I don't understand why the timeout was allowed.

And if I remember correctly Konta once stopped play due to "exhaustion" or heat illness...something along those lines. That also sends the wrong message that you can just stop play if you're not feeling 100%, and resume play when you feel better and at the same time take opponent out of their rhythm.
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I get all that. But are people really arguing that Konta's thought process was, "I need to milk this to get back in the match." Or was she physically and emotionally shaken by the events? I can't really believe that people think she was trying to pull a fast one. They just like telling a girl to "toughen up" on a MB. You can not do what Ille did. And he caused this. You want rules enforced so bad? DQ Romania then. Or do the right thing which is deal with an odd, outrageous incident from a clown, get everything sorted and play the match. Which they did.
 
PittsburghDad said:
I get all that. But are people really arguing that Konta's thought process was, "I need to milk this to get back in the match." Or was she physically and emotionally shaken by the events? I can't really believe that people think she was trying to pull a fast one. They just like telling a girl to "toughen up" on a MB. You can not do what Ille did. And he caused this. You want rules enforced so bad? DQ Romania then. Or do the right thing which is deal with an odd, outrageous incident from a clown, get everything sorted and play the match. Which they did.
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From what I understand, she started crying like 30 minutes after he had been thrown out already. But that might need to be fact checked.
 
fundrazer said:
Nobody is condoning Nastase's actions here... Konta is also a grown woman, not a girl. think she's pretty likable, but I don't understand why the timeout was allowed.

And if I remember correctly Konta once stopped play due to "exhaustion" or heat illness...something along those lines. That also sends the wrong message that you can just stop play if you're not feeling 100%, and resume play when you feel better and at the same time take opponent out of their rhythm.
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The spotlight should not be on Konta. It was Nastase's behaviour which caused a string of decisions and reactions to occur which otherwise probably wouldn't have happened.
 
PittsburghDad said:
They just like telling a girl to "toughen up" on a MB.
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PittsburghDad said:
Men are quick to be emotionally aggressive and physically forward with women because they don't have the physical fear that they might have to defend themselves. That's why you don't shout at women. It means you're weak and taking advantage of physical stature. That 70 year old man isn't having a run at Andy Murray like that.
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I'd just like to highlight these 2 points again. Well said, sir.
 
She was clearly upset from the time it happened and the time out comes after she's clearly crying and shaking on court about 20 minutes after. And she was given the time by the court supervisor. It was an out of the norm situation. And the supervisors on the spot did the best they thought in the moment. If they don't give it to her, she has choices to default or to return. A lot of armchair quarterbacking of a ridiculous situation brought on by a coach. The story here is not how much time Konta was given. Unless people enjoy having a go at a girl for crying on court.
 
fundrazer said:
There are enough of us here who do not understand why the timeout was allowed. There are enough of us here who do not see anything wrong with what Cirstea said regarding the situation.

Yes this is Nastase's fault.
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Fundrazer, I get that but imo that was a consequence of Nastase's behaviour which for a tennis match is veering towards the extreme end of the spectrum, under extreme circumstances decisions have a greater chance of being wrong in hindsight. That's all there is to it, under stress things are more likely to go wrong, I don't get what there is to understand about the timeout.
 
Purplemonster said:
No, Cirstea is just being honest telling it the way it is. Konta should harden the **** up. There are worse things in life, obviously she has had it way too easy in life. Imagine what the Williams sisters have had to put up with.
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You are very free with advice for Konta. Curious what advice or words you might have for Nastase.
 
After reading responses to this, you can really tell who plays tennis and who doesnt. This is why participation trophys are bad, people cannot handle adversity
 
I kind of agree, you can't just take an emotional time out like that. You play through it.

I remember Sampras did just that against Courier at some point after his long time coach passed away and yet he played through it.
 
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Apparently the court officials on the spot, (not on a keyboard) decided that she was entitled to it due to the actions of Nastase. So she took it. And then won the match. Blaming Konta is actually pretty hilarious. In a twisted sort of way.
 
Adv. Edberg said:
I kind of agree, you can't just take an emotional time out like that. You play through it.

I remember Sampras did just that against Courier at some point.
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His match against Corretja was the worst (AO), every big point he stalls and starts crying.

They didnt follow the rules, your not allowed to walk off the court for 25 mins, especially if your down 3-1
 
Chadillac said:
His match against Corretja was the worst (AO), every big point he stalls and starts crying.

They didnt follow the rules, your not allowed to walk off the court for 25 mins, especially if your down 3-1
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No. You're wrong. If the court supervisor deems it appropriate she can. And he did. She didn't defy anybody. She was given time and took it. And then won the match. But by all means, continue.
 
PittsburghDad said:
No. You're wrong. If the court supervisor deems it appropriate she can. And he did. She didn't defy anybody. She was given time and took it. And then won the match. But by all means, continue.
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Ok what was it classified as? A mto? Tell us the rule that allows someone to do this, no snowflake bs pls.

As far as i know your only allowed to leave the court for 5 mins after declaring an injury.
 
Chadillac said:
Ok what was it classified as? A mto? Tell us the rule that allows someone to do this, no snowflake bs pls.

As far as i know your only allowed to leave the court for 5 mins after declaring an injury.
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Wasn't an injury. It was an opposing Fed captain coming onto the court and calling her a "******* *****." Quote me a rule on that. You seem really interested in the rules here as an excuse to tell her to toughen up. So quote me a rule on what the Romanian penalty should have been for interrupting play to repeatedly hurl verbal abuse at umpires and opponent. If we want to stick by the rules that is.

And apparently Konta is tough enough to get up everyday and put the gargantuan work in necessary to be a WTA star. Surely since she was a kid. And to struggle up the ranks. And everything that comes with achieving her stature. But she wasn't "tough enough" to handle a completely spontaneous moment of a man coming on to the court to yell at her. Nothing tennis related. I'm sure she's hurt that she didn't measure up to what you thought toughness should look like.
 
PittsburghDad said:
Wasn't an injury. It was an opposing Fed captain coming onto the court and calling her a "******* *****." Quote me a rule on that. You seem really interested in the rules here as an excuse to tell her to toughen up. So quote me a rule on what the Romanian penalty should have been for interrupting play to repeatedly hurl verbal abuse at umpires and opponent. If we want to stick by the rules that is.
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Point penalty, then a game penalty. He didnt physicially threaten her, just cursed at her, which is the rule they should of enforced. It didnt bother her until she lost two games in a row, it was gamesmanship and it worked.

A mto is the only way your allowed to leave the court, unless it starts raining.

Imagine if kryios did this against fed because the crowd hurt his feelings (worst crowd ever).
 
Chadillac said:
Point penalty, then a game penalty. He didnt physicially threaten her, just cursed at her, which is the rule they should of enforced. It didnt bother her until she lost two games in a row, it was gamesmanship and it worked.

A mto is the only way your allowed to leave the court, unless it starts raining.

Imagine if kryios did this against fed because the crowd hurt his feelings (worst crowd ever).
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But you're isuue is with the rule not being enforced properly towards her, not Nastase. Interesting.

And thanks Kreskin, but you're not in her head. For all you know she was fighting with everything she had to keep it together for two games and then the fact that at her workplace she had a man screaming profanities at her overwhelmed her. But you think she's wrong for that. Interesting.
 
PittsburghDad said:
But you're isuue is with the rule not being enforced properly towards her, not Nastase. Interesting.

And thanks Kreskin, but you're not in her head. For all you know she was fighting with everything she had to keep it together for two games and then the fact that at her workplace she had a man screaming profanities at her overwhelmed her. But you think she's wrong for that. Interesting.
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No, Nastase's team should of been deducted a point for the first one, a game for the second. If he had a third it would be a set, then the match. What the rules state for offensive language.
 
Chadillac said:
No, Nastase's team should of been deducted a point for the first one, a game for the second. If he had a third it would be a set, then the match. What the rules state for offensive language.
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But that didn't happen. You don't seem quite as put off by that bending of the rule as you do by Konta reacting. Interesting.
 
Ok. You "think they handled it wrong." But they get to make that call in an unprecedented situation. I don't think their decision is the real issue here. You do, Fair enough.
 
PittsburghDad said:
Apparently the court officials on the spot, (not on a keyboard) decided that she was entitled to it due to the actions of Nastase. So she took it. And then won the match. Blaming Konta is actually pretty hilarious. In a twisted sort of way.
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I don't think anyone's blaming Konta. She can cry if she wants to.They're blaming the supervisor for allowing a stoppage. Lisciki cried in the Wimbledon final; don't think she was entitled to a timeout. The nastase situation had been dealt with. Then she got broke and started crying.
 
sarmpas said:
Fundrazer, I get that but imo that was a consequence of Nastase's behaviour which for a tennis match is veering towards the extreme end of the spectrum, under extreme circumstances decisions have a greater chance of being wrong in hindsight. That's all there is to it, under stress things are more likely to go wrong, I don't get what there is to understand about the timeout.
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The logic here is kind of bad to be honest. It's like excusing every followup event to the initial causation. In the crappy movie Swordfish, John Travolta talks about terrorists bombing a church, and in exchange they tactically nuke an entire town/village. Now this is a really stupid example, but by your logic the tactical nuke is okay because the terrorists bombed a church. It was a consequence of it...

Again, Nastase was acting like a dick, but that doesn't mean Konta should get a free 25 minute timeout to regroup after Nastase had already been removed from the stadium.
 
BringBackWood said:
I don't think anyone's blaming Konta. She can cry if she wants to.They're blaming the supervisor for allowing a stoppage. Lisciki cried in the Wimbledon final; don't think she was entitled to a timeout. The nastase situation had been dealt with. Then she got broke and started crying.
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You might not be blaming Konta but if you read through there is plenty of "toughen up." "Grow the F up" etc. That's the part I think is ridiculous. The supervisor made the call he made. Maybe it was right maybe it wasn't. Maybe it needs to come right away. But then you are into a space where you're arguing about the timing of when a really ludricous and boorish act on the part of the Romanian captain sets in. And thats a tough call. Maybe she was fighting it and just lost it finally. Its sort of unprecedented to have a caoch on the court calling an opponent a "F******* b*****." Or maybe its a mto 5 minute instead of what she got. They made the call they made. Certainly debatable. As is no point or game penalty to Cirstea. I think they got it more right than wrong.

Nastase put them all in a ridiculous no win situation with his behavior.
 
fundrazer said:
The logic here is kind of bad to be honest. It's like excusing every followup event to the initial causation. In the crappy movie Swordfish, John Travolta talks about terrorists bombing a church, and in exchange they tactically nuke an entire town/village. Now this is a really stupid example, but by your logic the tactical nuke is okay because the terrorists bombed a church. It was a consequence of it...

Again, Nastase was acting like a dick, but that doesn't mean Konta should get a free 25 minute timeout to regroup after Nastase had already been removed from the stadium.
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Supervisor thought she was entitled to it. He gave it to her.
 
Nastase had a hidden agenda nothing to do with tennis and was directly aimed at Romanians in the U.K. . His rant to the media was pathetic .
 
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