Sorana Cirstea annoyed by Konta reaction (Fed Cup)

PittsburghDad said:
Supervisor thought she was entitled to it. He gave it to her.
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He should be stripped of his supervision rights.

Konta's gamesmanship was inexcusable and without any historical precedent (problem was solved, Nastase was already escorted out, play had already resumed and they were a couple of games further when Konta faked it in order to blunt Sorana's then nascent momentum). Had she acted that way when Nasty was still there then one would say, OK, this is extraordinary and she may be entitled to go away from the court (under the justification that she needed to separate herself from Nasty/whoever else was a threat to her ASAP). But that didn't happen.

What happened instead was a tactical MTO - pure and simple. The timing of it leaves us with no doubt.
 
jerriy said:
He should be stripped of his supervision rights.

Konta's gamesmanship was inexcusable and without any historical precedent (problem was solved, Nastase was already escorted out, play had already resumed and they were a couple of games further when Konta faked it in order to blunt Sorana's then nascent momentum). Had she acted that way when Nasty was still there then one would say, OK, this is extraordinary and she may be entitled to go away from the court (under the justification that she needed to separate herself from Nasty/whoever else was a threat to her ASAP). But that didn't happen.

What happened instead was a tactical MTO - pure and simple. The timing of it leaves us with no doubt.
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Rubbish, you did not watch match
 
Apparently Britain is fearful of an invasion of Nastases into Britannia - a fact that a Romanian nationalist would tend to respond to whenever and wherever:

Theresa May reportedly plans to end rights given to EU nationals under freedom of movement rules when she triggers Article 50 next month, with a Government source claiming that “half of Romania and Bulgaria” might otherwise come to the UK before Brexit.
 
Bartelby said:
Apparently Britain is fearful of an invasion of Nastases into Britannia - a fact that a Romanian nationalist would tend to respond to whenever and wherever:

Theresa May reportedly plans to end rights given to EU nationals under freedom of movement rules when she triggers Article 50 next month, with a Government source claiming that “half of Romania and Bulgaria” might otherwise come to the UK before Brexit.
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As a British citizen, who has also taken advantage of FOM and now consider myself European, I find this sort of post extremely distasteful,
Why does it have to be about nationality, maybe it should be about manners
 
The British papers are running a scare campaign about this issue, and people in Romania would be will aware of it.

As George Orwell said, nationalism and sport are inextricably entwined.

So don't shoot the messenger, just put your hands over your ears if you find reality distatesful!

Latetothegame said:
As a British citizen, who has also taken advantage of FOM and now consider myself European, I find this sort of post extremely distasteful,
Why does it have to be about nationality, maybe it should be about manners
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Right because being down 3-1 was so absolutely crushing to Konta that she quickly seized on the opportune moment of having the opposing coach on the court calling her a "F***** B****" to get the 20 minutes that would save her. Not five. Not ten. Not fifteen. That exact amount. She's brilliant. Andthe supervisor her willing pawn. The ignorance of people never ceases to amaze. Mark Twain was right. "Don't argue with fools."
 
Latetothegame said:
Rubbish, you did not watch match
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I did. She tearfully dropped serve in the next game - then got a 25 minute break to "recover". Which is unprecedented gamesmanship.

Never seen nor heard such a favor before. This was not the first cup tie that was very hostile to the guest team. I remember Russia versus Israel when Sharapova and her team was treated badly in Israel - Masha didn't get 25 min "recovery gift". Likewise Serena was booed non-stop from start to finish at the 2001 Indian Wells final - that wasn't even Fed Cup - yet she played with 0.0 minute interruption. She didn't even bounce balls longer than usual. That's what you do when yer a pro.

Konta was not "owed" 25 minutes. She calculated and took advantage of an opportunity that was created by Nasty. Which is still wrong (two wrongs don't make a right).
 
Bartelby said:
Apparently Britain is fearful of an invasion of Nastases into Britannia - a fact that a Romanian nationalist would tend to respond to whenever and wherever:

Theresa May reportedly plans to end rights given to EU nationals under freedom of movement rules when she triggers Article 50 next month, with a Government source claiming that “half of Romania and Bulgaria” might otherwise come to the UK before Brexit.
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What are the odds that those telling Konta to just get over are all men? And while that isn't exactly a raving platitude for women it does hold weight in this instance when you look at the totality of the situation...you have a captain, coach, and tennis legend calling you one of the worst curses a man can call a women doing so in the heat of the match could make anyone emotional. We are focusing too much on the crying and neglecting the emotional aspects, we are also overlooking the facts. While not crying imagine an opposing Davis Cup captain cursing directly at Andy Murray can you fathom his reaction, it would be fireworks and ::gasp:: Andy is a man.
 
Bartelby said:
The British papers are running a scare campaign about this issue, and people in Romania would be will aware of it.

As George Orwell said, nationalism and sport are inextricably entwined.

So don't shoot the messenger, just put your hands over your ears if you find reality distatesful!
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I have no love for the British papers, and maybe just maybe you are over reacting,and you maybe be right on sport and nationality, but Jo konta has always been low key because of her roots
Maybe you need to take your hands off your ears, and start accepting that there are rules, you may not like them but the whole world has accepted them.
 
jerriy said:
I did. She tearfully dropped serve in the next game - then got a 25 minute break to "recover". Which is unprecedented gamesmanship.

Never seen nor heard such a favor before. This was not the first cup tie that was very hostile to the guest team. I remember Russia versus Israel when Sharapova and her team was treated badly in Israel - Masha didn't get 25 min "recovery gift". Likewise Serena was booed non-stop from start to finish at the 2001 Indian Wells final - that wasn't even Fed Cup - yet she played with 0.0 minute interruption. She didn't even bounce balls longer than usual. That's what you do when yer a pro.

Konta was not "owed" 25 minutes. She calculated and took advantage of an opportunity that was created by Nasty. Which is still wrong (two wrongs don't make a right).
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Jo konta did not take advantage,,the advantage was taken by Natase, did you watch the match?
 
Big_Dangerous said:
Oh no, it was bad man. Not only did Natase ask Keothavong (British coach) for her room number before the tie, but he was throwing a hissy fit and acting like a *****. Reports are that he had some choice words for the British Fed Cup team, he called them a bunch of bitches among other insulting things as the whole situation unfolded. Truly a disgraceful man with zero class and integrity.
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So this gives a clearer picture of what really happened and now I can fully understand konta's reaction. I wouldn't rule out that he made leery comments/advances towards her too.
 
Bartelby said:
Apparently Britain is fearful of an invasion of Nastases into Britannia - a fact that a Romanian nationalist would tend to respond to whenever and wherever:

Theresa May reportedly plans to end rights given to EU nationals under freedom of movement rules when she triggers Article 50 next month, with a Government source claiming that “half of Romania and Bulgaria” might otherwise come to the UK before Brexit.
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East Europeans does more crimes than other immigrants in west Europe. Many of them go to London and UK.
Then.. if you go to Russia and East Europe.. its a lot of nationalism and racism, openly! UK is a heaven of openess compared to huge parts of the world.

Nastase is a fool and should be banned forever. Konta should maybe toughen up a bit.
 
Cirstea's comments were out of order, not least the tacked on claim that the affair shows that Romanians are tougher than 'English' people (didn't seem to know she was up against 'Great Britain' rather than England, but anyway).

At the end of the day, Cirstea is largely a nobody in tennis terms, and Konta is a somebody. It says a lot that this probably the most you'll hear about Cirstea over the next five years.
 
ScottleeSV said:
Cirstea's comments were out of order, not least the tacked on claim that the affair shows that Romanians are tougher than 'English' people (didn't seem to know she was up against 'Great Britain' rather than England, but anyway).

At the end of the day, Cirstea is largely a nobody in tennis terms, and Konta is a somebody. It says a lot that this probably the most you'll hear about Cirstea over the next five years.
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Winning one premier mandatory event makes you a somebody in tennis? Didn't know, thanks for enlightening us here. To be fair they're both nobodies in the grand scheme of tennis things.
 
I feel bad for Konta. She must have been gently raised, unlike myself. My reaction would have been to hurl a vicious bit of verbal abuse right back at him. Of course, in my experience, angry men have a tendency to turn physical when that happens. It's the risk you take. That's probably why women like Konta, nice women that is, unlike me, tend to tears as an outlet for the anger, fear, and humiliation.
 
I didn't read the whole thread and the details about the event but I think this crying must have something to do with Konta's Hungarian background.
Whenever there is a national competition, there are always some idiots insulting the other nation and players to take advantage. Sad this is also happening in tennis.
 
Nastase would never say anything directly to Serena. He's just too much of a coward.



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What did Nastase actually do? Does anyone have the footage?

I'm still recovering from his gaff involving Serena a few days earlier.....
 
FedLIKEnot said:
What are the odds that those telling Konta to just get over are all men? And while that isn't exactly a raving platitude for women it does hold weight in this instance when you look at the totality of the situation...you have a captain, coach, and tennis legend calling you one of the worst curses a man can call a women doing so in the heat of the match could make anyone emotional. We are focusing too much on the crying and neglecting the emotional aspects, we are also overlooking the facts. While not crying imagine an opposing Davis Cup captain cursing directly at Andy Murray can you fathom his reaction, it would be fireworks and ::gasp:: Andy is a man.
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Yes, but the vast majority of men would quickly get over it and no man would start crying and need 25 mins to get over it. Oh no did I just imply that men and women are different ???
 
Pavla said:
I feel bad for Konta. She must have been gently raised, unlike myself. My reaction would have been to hurl a vicious bit of verbal abuse right back at him. Of course, in my experience, angry men have a tendency to turn physical when that happens. It's the risk you take. That's probably why women like Konta, nice women that is, unlike me, tend to tears as an outlet for the anger, fear, and humiliation.
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Would it not make more sense to just ignore it, acknowledging that you are a better person than the person hurling the abuse at you. You shouldn't lower yourself to their standards by reacting. If Nastaste is this angry old racist man that everyone is making him out to be then let him embarrass himself. Makes him look worse by nobody reacting.
 
Sorana has my full support. Smart and hot, great combination. And no fear to say what he thinks is good or bad.
As everybody already stated, Nastase was an idiot, and maybe a large part of the crowd was nasty to Konta. However, that is not a justification for a 25 minute timeout. Of course, the people in charge of this match are the ones to blame more than Konta acting or not. They were not supposed to allow a MTO when the outburst was already controlled. Oh well...
 
I don't mean to belabor this subject. I liked Nastase as a player, but he was a famous ball-buster. I watched a great clip on YT of he and Borg playing against Laver and Ashe on clay. Ashe was serving & questioned a couple of faults, and Nastase rubbed the mark out of one of them like a "cheney". A game or two later, Nastase was questioning one of his own faults, and LAVER(!!) rubbed the mark out! Hey, fair is fair. What I thought really telling was how humorless "Nasty's" reaction was. If you're going to bust-balls & dish it out, you can't be surprised when they dish it back.

So, I know what a rat he can be. And, thinking about it for a few days, I'm a little more sympathetic to Konta than I was. I'd be more sympathetic if this was her first "melt down" on court, but still, Nastase was out-of-line. And I would have sworn back at him, unless I swore at him first, or started something. If you start something expect a response, right?

But, just for my own curiosity, I want to know what set him off. I don't think Konta or Anne K. swore at him. Did he have an argument over a call with an official, then take it out on the Brits? I can't find the initial problem. Just a dozen "Nasty Assaulting Saint Jo" vids. PLEASE don't make me watch that match. If anyone knows what started everything, let me know. I'll report back with my findings if I force myself to watch it. Then render my verdict. I have been known to request The Electric Chair on occasion. And I won't hesitate to put a woman in that chair, either. Fair is fair, right?! ;^)B
 
MLRoy said:
I don't mean to belabor this subject. I liked Nastase as a player, but he was a famous ball-buster. I watched a great clip on YT of he and Borg playing against Laver and Ashe on clay. Ashe was serving & questioned a couple of faults, and Nastase rubbed the mark out of one of them like a "cheney". A game or two later, Nastase was questioning one of his own faults, and LAVER(!!) rubbed the mark out! Hey, fair is fair. What I thought really telling was how humorless "Nasty's" reaction was. If you're going to bust-balls & dish it out, you can't be surprised when they dish it back.

So, I know what a rat he can be. And, thinking about it for a few days, I'm a little more sympathetic to Konta than I was. I'd be more sympathetic if this was her first "melt down" on court, but still, Nastase was out-of-line. And I would have sworn back at him, unless I swore at him first, or started something. If you start something expect a response, right?

But, just for my own curiosity, I want to know what set him off. I don't think Konta or Anne K. swore at him. Did he have an argument over a call with an official, then take it out on the Brits? I can't find the initial problem. Just a dozen "Nasty Assaulting Saint Jo" vids. PLEASE don't make me watch that match. If anyone knows what started everything, let me know. I'll report back with my findings if I force myself to watch it. Then render my verdict. I have been known to request The Electric Chair on occasion. And I won't hesitate to put a woman in that chair, either. Fair is fair, right?! ;^)B
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MLRoy said:
I don't mean to belabor this subject. I liked Nastase as a player, but he was a famous ball-buster. I watched a great clip on YT of he and Borg playing against Laver and Ashe on clay. Ashe was serving & questioned a couple of faults, and Nastase rubbed the mark out of one of them like a "cheney". A game or two later, Nastase was questioning one of his own faults, and LAVER(!!) rubbed the mark out! Hey, fair is fair. What I thought really telling was how humorless "Nasty's" reaction was. If you're going to bust-balls & dish it out, you can't be surprised when they dish it back.

So, I know what a rat he can be. And, thinking about it for a few days, I'm a little more sympathetic to Konta than I was. I'd be more sympathetic if this was her first "melt down" on court, but still, Nastase was out-of-line. And I would have sworn back at him, unless I swore at him first, or started something. If you start something expect a response, right?

But, just for my own curiosity, I want to know what set him off. I don't think Konta or Anne K. swore at him. Did he have an argument over a call with an official, then take it out on the Brits? I can't find the initial problem. Just a dozen "Nasty Assaulting Saint Jo" vids. PLEASE don't make me watch that match. If anyone knows what started everything, let me know. I'll report back with my findings if I force myself to watch it. Then render my verdict. I have been known to request The Electric Chair on occasion. And I won't hesitate to put a woman in that chair, either. Fair is fair, right?! ;^)B
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Jo konta had won the first set 6/2
It was 1/1 second set, sorana to serve, she had I think about 3bps against her but was battling back, she got the advantage next point Jo seems to be in control and was approaching the net for a put away, she dumped it in the net, sorana won the game and Natase was excited but both jo and the team captain approached the umpire because they felt someone had shouted out just at the point the Jo was about to hit the ball, the umpire asked for the crowd to respect the players, that when Natase when off one, first starting on the umpire.
 
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