Spanish to sue French broadcaster over Nadal drug skit!
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cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
Yeah, sure! :roll:
This is in the conclusion but is flat out contradicted by Contador in the report. Incidentally, please read everything i've written in this post as i've take the time to type everything out by hand! Also i'm still going through the report, it is rather long and rather boring.
The contradiction:
Mr Contador further asserts that the contaminated supplement theory should also be set aside. In fact, he did not take any supplements between his 20 July 2010 test and his 21 July 2010 test. Moreover, all the Astana riders were taking the same supplements throughout the 2010 Tour de France and, more generally, the 2010 season; non of them failed a doping test. The same supplements have been made available in 2011 and none of those riders have failed any doping test for clenbuterol. Finally, none of the manufacturers of the supplements that were made available for Astana have been implicated in any contamination case, use or store of clenbuterol or any prohibited substance in their warehouses, or have ever been blamed for an athlete's positive drug test. The Appellant's suggestion that he may have taken another food supplement is speculation.
More importantly there is WADA's opinion:
WADA considers that on balance of probability, it is more likely that the cause of the adverse analytical finding is not contaminated meat as (i) the risk of meat being contaminated with clenbuterol is almost non existent in Europe, (ii) no other riders of the Astana team tested positive to clenbuterol, and (iii) a doping program is more likely to be the cause of the adverse analytical finding rather than contaminated meat, taking into account the indications resulting from Mr Contador's blood parameters and also the high level of phthalates detected in one of his samples which is compatible with a blood transfusion.
Pthalates are plasticizers.
and here's Dr. Ashenden:
Dr Ashenden analysed the blood parameters of Mr Contador from 2005 through 2010, taking into account 55 blood results, and found that Mr Contador's reticulocyte values collected during the 2010 Tour De France were atypical and opposite to what would have been expected. With respect to haemoglobin concentration, Dr Ashenden concludes that Mr Contador's values during the 2010 Tour de France are higher than normal, compared to his values in the prior years. WADA concludes that even though these values are not evidence per se traces of transfusion or manipulation, such values are not consistent with Mr Contador's normal values and are difficult to reconcile with physiological variations. As such, they provide indications which would be constant with blood doping.
Not a rumor, it was documented but no one followed up on it. Now whether or not they indicate cheating is one matter. Contador DID have them in his samples though.
marcub
Banned
I'm sure that's what he meant. He didn't have to do it in a dumb way, mind you.
His friend did something wrong, illegal (they probably all do it, not just the Spaniards) and he got caught. Shouting "incredible" once the guy was proven a cheater is plain dumb. Caring for his friend would have been a phone call, good words in private - but what he did is idiotic. And I'm not at all surprised. He's been a delight for the media for months now.
Towser83
G.O.A.T.
Yeah they never back Gasquet like they do Tsonga and Monfils, so racist against teir own white French people!
lol at defensive doomsday clarky! Yeah cos cheating on your wife is the same as cheating in your profession. Both wrong, but one involves prize money and is therefor pretty much fraud. Never heard of someone being fired from their job because they cheated on their wife. I mean if so Tiger would have been banned right? Of course he wasn't cos it has nothing to do with playing golf.
Priceless :lol:
Of course really Nadal should be free to hang out with who he wants, but yes it will bring more suspicions if he hangs out with a convicted doper (right or wrong, it doesn't really effect Nadal) Fed still remaining friends with a man who cheated on his wife, does nothing to hurt his image as a clean tennis player.
To be honest Nadal should only really not hang out with the guy if he (Nadal) is really doping. If he isn't there is no way it can be proved cos he is innocent. People may use the asocciation to accuse him, but they do anyway. Even if the guy is totally guilty and admits it, Nadal is free to be freinds with whoever he likes. I know it would look really bad, but if he is clean he really can do as he likes.
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drakulie
Talk Tennis Guru
well, wasn't Nadal in Gasquets corner, when Gasquet was banned for testing positive for cocaine. What was Gasquet's excuse?????? oh yeah, he kissed a girl who was using it. LOL.
"Dumb" doesn't do any justice to how stupid he is.
marcub
Banned
I'm not familiar with his reaction - what did he say at that time?
Clarky21
Banned
IIRC,he said something about how Gasquet could have gotten the cocaine in his system just by kissing a girl,and defended him to a ridiculous degree. After Nadal brought up the kissing excuse,Gasquet suddenly created the mythical "Pamela" who Richard said he kissed at a club in Miami,and used it as the reason for testing positive for coke. It was so stupid that I was shocked they bought that lousy excuse. Nadal really is extremely naive and simple. He should not be commenting publicly about this kind of stuff.
Oh,and I never understood why Nadal has supported several drug cheats,but publicly called Agassi out for testing postive for meth. I don't think Nadal knows what's going on to be honest.
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Plus Rafa is a habitual crack sniffer........ in between serves mind you.
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Nathaniel_Near
Guest
'There's no question of pills or syringes...'
Why not just say you aren't doping full stop? The response is extremely confusing.
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
+1...............
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
What difference does it make what he says, do you think he is going to tell the truth?
He has been all over the map on this doping issue with the defense of Gasquet kissing a woman and getting coke into his system that way on the one hand and then denouncing Agassi's use of meth on the other hand. I don't think he knows which end is up on this issue or what to say in public. He should just remain silent on some of these issues.
It seems that Nadal takes folks at their word, and it that may be naive at times. It would explain why he was upset at an admitted druggie that dissed tennis.
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
And if my friend came up with that kind of moronic excuse regarding how cocaine happened to get into his system, I would STFU if anybody asked me anything about it and run for the hills!
ViscaB
Hall of Fame
Maybe you are not a good friend
. I'm joking of-course. But you see the same pattern with cyclists who have been caught. Their family members show blind thrust even against clear evidence. And to be fair Gasquet used drugs for pleasure not to improve his performance.
marcub
Banned
Speaking of AA, I'm still wondering why he actually admitted it... his book would still have been a good read without that.
Biscuitmcgriddleson
Professional
Jan Ullrich isn't Swiss, he's German and has had indisputable evidence linking him to numerous doping scandals.
ViscaB
Hall of Fame
To sell. He sold multiples just because of that. I feel they always leak "controversial" passages of a biography well before it goes on sale.
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
Why not admit it?
ViscaB
Hall of Fame
Deutsche Telekom were incredibly doped. I still feel sad for my hero Indurain. When Ullrich and Riis started to race up mountains he quit cycling.
marcub
Banned
He is a simpleton, for sure. But I think his reactions are honest. Figure this: they all cheat, but Gasquet is still on the court, therefore in Ralph's camp... Agassi is doing it for no apparent reason, just to hurt the guys still out there - from Ralph's point of view... so he gets pissed and a little too talkative with the first journalist who comes around fishing. Then he gets pissed with himself that he talks too much :lol:
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
Maybe you are not a good friend
And to be fair Gasquet used drugs for pleasure not to improve his performance.
Yes family members show blind trust even though the evidence may speak otherwise, but, a player such as Nadal who has been suspected of PED use his entire career should stay clear of that subject especially when Gasquet's excuse was so far-fetched.
marcub
Banned
Lots of risk with little or no return.
drakulie
Talk Tennis Guru
perhaps he really wanted to say his whole story.
perhaps he felt guilt and wanted to come clean.
perhaps he wanted to bring out that drug testing in the atp is a joke, and show how high profile players are excused.
who knows.
Fact is, it is proof that the ATP is willing to sweep offenders and results of their tests under the rug.
I'm still convinced Nadal was serving a "soft suspension" when he missed Wimbledon in 2009.
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
I tend to think so too.
Biscuitmcgriddleson
Professional
Indurain was an amazing physical specimen, but sadly just about everyone in the 90s was doping.
marcub
Banned
I don't know... he would have sold about as many on the hair piece crap alone
I know people who bought the book just because of that.Mind you, the book is an entertaining read, no question. The guy who wrote it has won the Pulitzer prize and it shows.
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
Risk for whom? Agassi? He is retired and has about $100 million in the bank.
I think it was brave of him to come out with that assertion. He knew he would receive some grief over that comment. He may have said it to help sell his book but it was still a brave thing for him to do. It certainly raises questions about the ATP/ITF and their drug policy.
marcub
Banned
I thought about that and it makes sense. The guy seems kind of tormented inside, at least that's the impression I got after reading Open.
And I can buy the soft suspension hypothesis too.
Biscuitmcgriddleson
Professional
Why would they give a soft suspension if they constantly sweep stuff under the rug? Not saying I disagree with you on the soft suspension, just curious about your reasoning.
marcub
Banned
Who knows what the balance of power was? Maybe the plan that year was for Fed to win his 15th. Say Ralph jumped the horse and disagreed - then he got "suspended"
Speculation, of course.
marcub
Banned
For his reputation. He could have ended up being widely labeled a cheat. Subsequent reactions show that he's too loved for that, but he wouldn't know for sure beforehand.
Biscuitmcgriddleson
Professional
Who knows what the balance of power was? Maybe the plan that year was for Fed to win his 15th. Say Ralph jumped the horse and disagreed - then he got "suspended"
Speculation, of course.
And then Novak said F this, I want some time in the sun also. I never thought that tennis could be like wrestling, but maybe it is. just maybe it is.
Raiden
Hall of Fame
You belief is (dope induced?) hallucination.
It belongs in the same league as the belief "Nadal = Hispanic/Latino" or "Djoker = Bosnian"
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drakulie
Talk Tennis Guru
Because if they come out and openly ban him, then all hell breaks loose. They would be forced to strip him of all titles, money, rankings, etc.
Lets say they come and say he has been using for two?? years, then this means that the runner up of all his championships, would now be crowned champion.
Ask yourself how many slams did Fed lose to him during that time, and now add all those slams to his totals. Suddenly, Fed has 4 or 5 more slams and trying to reach or surpass Sampras's totals is a non-issue.
The damage that would be done to the image of ATP would be huge. Way too much at stake to ban one of these guys at the top.
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Crisstti
Legend
It doesn't fit with your world view, I know.
Saying it in public obviously has more value precisely because his risking his public image in doing so. So it means a hell of a lot more than a mere phone call. I don't see why it's "dumb". I'm sure he notices that it would probably not look good for him.
I don't think he "condemned" Agassi. From what I remember what he said was basically against the way the ATP acted.
Plus, one player there denied using drugs and the another didn't.
marcub
Banned
And then Novak said F this, I want some time in the sun also. I never thought that tennis could be like wrestling, but maybe it is. just maybe it is.
Exactly :lol:
Fook, he must have said, what am I here, a Johnny come lately?!
Crisstti
Legend
Wait a second, are you saying Gasquet only brought up the girl story AFTER something that Rafa said?. I don't think that was the case.
drakulie
Talk Tennis Guru
No need to defend him. It's a fact he condemned AA, and at the same time excused Gasquet.
Clarky21
Banned
Towser83
G.O.A.T.
Did Nadal ever get mad at the ATP or whoever was in charge of deciding to let Agassi off? Surely they are the ones to blame. If he is angry with Agassi it is probably anger that he decided to tell everyone and hurt the image of tennis. He defended Gasquet maybe because apart from being a friend it hurts tennis to say he is guilty. A lot of institutions protect their own always, police, politicians, priests, actors... what they often don't like is a rat, even if they're ratting themselves out.
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Nathaniel_Near
Guest
When Michael Jackson blames his obvious plastic surgery on a 'strict vegetarian diet' does anybody believe him? Yes, we all do!!! Long live MJ! All this drugs stuff is the same kind of thing, when players perform unnaturally in terms of physical capacity possibly due to a rich Spanish diet without weight training or the containing of recently diagnosed allergies do we believe them? Of course we do!
Let's stop stirring a pot which shows no speculative and murky evidence of being faulty or dubious.
MJ looked the way he did due to eating vegetables and it's about time we all accepted it.
Let's stop stirring a pot which shows no speculative and murky evidence of being faulty or dubious.
MJ looked the way he did due to eating vegetables and it's about time we all accepted it.
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Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Yes, well, he was registered with the Swss cycling federation.
And he had a licence with the Swiss Olympic Federation.
So pardon my Ullrich-induced confusion.
He does, or did. live there.
And he had a licence with the Swiss Olympic Federation.
So pardon my Ullrich-induced confusion.
He does, or did. live there.
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cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
I am pretty sure that is indeed what happened. Gasquet at first said his drink must have been spiked, etc. etc. Then Nadal was asked and he said Gasquet may have kissed a woman who used cocaine and later that is the excuse Gasquet used.
A thoroughly convincing story no?
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
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