Spanish to sue French broadcaster over Nadal drug skit!
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marcub
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He's sure risking his image - besides people suspecting him of doping, now they'll see he's not too bright either
That guy has just been proven a cheat - this is all people hear - you think it's a bright idea to come out and say - naah, you're all dumb, I know better ? Like he's not already a target for the papers? That's dumb enough image-wise.
Then, intrinsically, Contador did something wrong. you think cheering for him is right?
Clarky21
Banned
This is exactly the same thing I heard. Nadal is the one who first brought up the nonsense girl kissing excuse. Richie then created "Pamela" and the rest is history.
drakulie
Talk Tennis Guru
surely a guy who always (wink wink) plays by the rules and within the time permitted between point should be trusted as being honest. :roll:
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
His level of use was not consistent with intoxication, so he probably didn't know what caused the minimal levels detected and he never will know definitively.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
Well since you know about my world view so much, you should know that my world view is bascially not to be blind to realities of the world. You have not graduated to that level yet no?
marcub
Banned
I think we're saying something similar in different words.
The one on page 14 where I quote from the actual report. Please read it. The food supplement conclusion is contradicted by Contador.
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
So are you speculating that the ATP/ITF keep the results of failed tests under wraps on the condition that they decide who wins -- in order to supposedly keep tennis exciting.?Who knows what the balance of power was? Maybe the plan that year was for Fed to win his 15th. Say Ralph jumped the horse and disagreed - then he got "suspended"
Speculation, of course.
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
Oh but kissing a woman is a perfectly good excuse to use huh? :wink:
Couldn't they come up with something a little better than that? It just shows what a joke the whole system is.
Yeah, and sure he did not know what caused the minimal levels detected. Come on.
Crisstti
Legend
He's sure risking his image - besides people suspecting him of doping, now they'll see he's not too bright either
That guy has just been proven a cheat - this is all people hear - you think it's a bright idea to come out and say - naah, you're all dumb, I know better ? Like he's not already a target for the papers? That's dumb enough image-wise.
Then, intrinsically, Contador did something wrong. you think cheering for him is right?
Contador denies doing something wrong. Rafa says (publicily) he believes him. If he's choosing to defend a friend over protecting his reputation, kudos to him.
No, I don't think it is. You should provide a link.
I don't think that is how it happened... I didn't hear about the whole thing when it happened, looking it up on Google rather recently, and I think Gasquet came up with the story (whether it was true or not) and Rafa said he believed him.
drakulie
Talk Tennis Guru
Must have been some drunk, drugged out woman with a tongue stacked with cocaine who tripped and her tongue mistakenly slipped into Gasquet's mouth.
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
Yep, that is the account I read. Perfectly sane excuse huh?
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Nathaniel_Near
Guest
Here's a link for Nadal losing his semi over Agassi coming out of the drugs closet:
http://gulfnews.com/sport/tennis/federer-nadal-upset-with-agassi-doping-disclosure-1.521238
Interestingly, this comes shortly after Nadal possibly received some sort of silent ban or was found with something fishy in his system. Isn't this whole subject fascinating??!!!11
http://gulfnews.com/sport/tennis/federer-nadal-upset-with-agassi-doping-disclosure-1.521238
Interestingly, this comes shortly after Nadal possibly received some sort of silent ban or was found with something fishy in his system. Isn't this whole subject fascinating??!!!11
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
What difference does it make what he says and how inconsistent his actions or words are by condemning Agassi but defending Gasquet. He is heavily protected by many powerful parties involved.
Towser83
G.O.A.T.
they should have said he ate a euro note as a bet
drakulie
Talk Tennis Guru
why don't you find it.
While you are at it, try finding the video story by vamosrafaes, where they reported Nadal was on a practice court 4 days after Wimbledon began, preparing for a Davis Cup Match, when he was supposedly recovering from such a devastating injury that he couldn't defend his Wimbledon crown.
Oops, they mysteriously took it down. Never mind.
Never mind that he is the only defending champion of wimbledon in over 50+ years who has failed to defend his title. The only other two were Smith who refused to play in protest along with nearly everyone else in 1972, and Goran who retired. But yeah, we are suppose to believe he withdrew due to an injury, even though he was on a practice court preparing for a DC match while Wimbledon was underway.
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
That is not what I read about the story but either way it doesn't matter.
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
Maybe if the she were a he I would believe it. :lol:
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Nathaniel_Near
Guest
Are you KIDDING???
This really is pointing more and more to a silent ban having been issued.
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Bhagi Katbamna
Legend
The French should be careful about starting a fight or battle.
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
:lol::lol:
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Nathaniel_Near
Guest
LOL. Good point, great post.:twisted:
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
I think you may be talking to the wrong person about this subject. Just a hunch! :lol:
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
I read and replied. To be clear:
the substance remains in the system a long time
the meat was not from countries known to have a problem with drug contaminated animals
therefore Contador's suggestion was not supported
Its clear to me that he is guilty of a relatively trivial case of doping and that two years is a more than adequate punishment
but I can understand his friends sticking with him in this case
the substance remains in the system a long time
the meat was not from countries known to have a problem with drug contaminated animals
therefore Contador's suggestion was not supported
Its clear to me that he is guilty of a relatively trivial case of doping and that two years is a more than adequate punishment
but I can understand his friends sticking with him in this case
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Nathaniel_Near
Guest
drakulie
Talk Tennis Guru
The very website that reported it took it down a few weeks after they published it, so unforunately, no one is going to find it. Remember, they "specialize" in all things Rafa and promoting him. I suppose they realized the errors of their ways by reporting he was practicing when he was supposed to be "injured".
That said, the report and video were the center piece of much heated debates here on TW for several weeks and then it mysteriously disappeared.
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Nathaniel_Near
Guest
Alright, thanks for the info.
I'm not sure if we're in agreement but thank you for reading it anyway. I will try and read the rest of the report if i can keep my eyes open.
I'm going to try and track this video down. Do you know when it was posted on vamosrafa.es?
ViscaB
Hall of Fame
The substance was only found once in all the tests he underwent during that tour de France.
drakulie
Talk Tennis Guru
immediately after he withdrew from wimbledon. I believe it was reported on a Tuesday. he withdrew from Wimbledon on the previous Friday.
Biscuitmcgriddleson
Professional
Don't Forget the ATP mandate that he must lose at all tournaments until Monte Carlo 2010. It's all making sense now.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
The drug test indicated too low a level to be voluntarily ingested; and although its illegal its basically a recreational drug.
But if you don't like fact, then feel free to make up your own.
But if you don't like fact, then feel free to make up your own.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
tusharlovesrafa
Hall of Fame
Gasquet could have easily said that he was "Patty Caking" with two women on saturday night and one of them had cocaine stashed in her box and that's what infected him.A more logical reason like this would surely have worked..
namelessone
Legend
The funny part about the Gasquet case is that he was "busted" for cocaine use, not PED use. And yeah, I'm sure that coke really would have improved Gasquet's results, who was already a airhead on court.
The reason he was suspended was for PR purposes, it had nothing to do with artificially boosting his performance. The ATP want to send the message -"no, our athletes don't condone drug use" and that's about it. A quick google search will reveal how many of our tennis legends did coke, some on a very regular basis. I remember Nastase saying how he was shocked that cocaine use was so regular on tour when in Romania they would have you instantly jailed for possesing a couple of grams. When Vilas was in communist Romania, Nastase advised him to chuck the cocaine away cause they would both be arrested should they get caught with it.
The Gasquet situation reminds me of the phelps case, with the bong hit. Sure, most of US's teens have tried a joint or bong at least once in their lives but when an athlete does it(after having won a gazzilion medals for his country) then we get to act all high and mighty. Does anyone actually think that bong hit boosted/hindered Phelps's sporting ability? Nope, it was something he did in his free time and it has no effect on his sports life.
But since it was bad image for the team(cause you know, athletes don't drink,smoke, they are perfect shining beacons of morality), he was suspended for a couple of months and of course dropped from most of his endorsements.
The reason he was suspended was for PR purposes, it had nothing to do with artificially boosting his performance. The ATP want to send the message -"no, our athletes don't condone drug use" and that's about it. A quick google search will reveal how many of our tennis legends did coke, some on a very regular basis. I remember Nastase saying how he was shocked that cocaine use was so regular on tour when in Romania they would have you instantly jailed for possesing a couple of grams. When Vilas was in communist Romania, Nastase advised him to chuck the cocaine away cause they would both be arrested should they get caught with it.
The Gasquet situation reminds me of the phelps case, with the bong hit. Sure, most of US's teens have tried a joint or bong at least once in their lives but when an athlete does it(after having won a gazzilion medals for his country) then we get to act all high and mighty. Does anyone actually think that bong hit boosted/hindered Phelps's sporting ability? Nope, it was something he did in his free time and it has no effect on his sports life.
But since it was bad image for the team(cause you know, athletes don't drink,smoke, they are perfect shining beacons of morality), he was suspended for a couple of months and of course dropped from most of his endorsements.
namelessone
Legend
Agassi played both ends on this one. He took the ATP's deal at the time to cover up the whole thing, played on, won titles, made money on tour, then years later he rats himself out, plays the victim(he was a meth user, didn't really like tennis etc) card and ends up with the best outcome - money from his confessions via his book and in most people's views, put the blame on the ATP for cover up, not himself. And let's face it, it's easier to hate an anonymous bunch of suits than a legend of the game. For the public, they are ones to blame for hiding's Agassi's "weaknesses" at the time instead of exposing them.
Tennis wise, Gasquet is guilty of nothing IMO. Did cocaine improve his performance in any way? I highly doubt, look at Richie's results.
Sure, his defence was laughable but that was because he couldn't bring himself to say that he made a mistake(tried coke). Coke use is illegal in most countries so Gasquet is at fault there(should be glad that he didn't do jail time) but from a tennis POV this was a PR move, it had nothing to do with artificially boosting performance.
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namelessone
Legend
I see drakuLIE is back. :lol:
You know, I've read a similar story about Soderling on another forum. They say he's not really sick and that he's actually serving a quiet suspension.
I wonder what "the laptop girl" has to say about this.
Laptop girl really disappointed me when she didn't save that compromising video of Nadal training on her hard-drive for later use as damning evidence.
Unfortunately, laptop girl was relying on internet links. It's the sad story of how Nadal got away thanks to the administrator of the vamos website or whatever it was called. It's also sad how dozens of journalists, who would literally jump at an opportunity for controversy, missed this very controversial video.
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marcub
Banned
It is speculation, but I would not rule anything out. Lots of advertisinig and equipment deals behind the scenes - players have different sponsors fiercely competing for market share and so forth.
marcub
Banned
So does OJ.
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
She drowned did she? That must have overwhelmed poor Rafa.
The manifestations of broad humor probably show no detectable increase in complexity for the last few thousand years. They may even show regression in many cases. I think the Spanish authorities are taking this puppet show much too seriously and failing to capture the spirit of the game. They need lessons in trolling.
On another level, the whole issue of performance enhancing substances in endurance sports has reached a point where it seems to be only a means of control, and little more as far as I can see. If it’s true that all the top cyclists and track&field athletes are (by necessity) employing these methods and staying a few steps ahead of the controllers in an ever-increasing list of Forbidden Molecules, the whole thing becomes a kind of merry go round game of moral posturing, where once in a while the dance is briefly interrupted by throwing someone under the bus to keep up the pretense that things are under control and the “cheaters” are being caught and punished. But best of all, it’s a system that allows a terrific means of control to keep potential troublemakers in line. Athletes are already as politically meek as Dolly’s little lamb. Imagine for a moment that a succesful athlete in a popular sport started using his considerable soapbox to make lucid belligerant speaches about the putrefaction of the system, or something along those lines. Wouldn’t it be child’s play to have a few of those offending molecules show up in samples of his body fluids?
Further, doesn’t the Lord love all molecules alike? I am beginning to think along the lines proposed by that Mexican specialist, Angel Heredia, who proposes the whole system should be scrapped and that only the really dangerous substances should be banned, to prevent sad spectacles like Tom Simpson, dropping dead while climbing a hill after gorging himself with amphetamines.
The problem is that anything can be dangerous beyond a certain level, and if you allow total free reign, some are bound to get overambitious with some of these molecules. EPO appears to be a benign and loving friend if used judiciously, but it can also kill you if you allow the percentage of red blood cells to get too high, thus thickening your blood to the point you are a candidate for heart infarction (but then again you can also kill yourself by drinking too much water in one sitting). So I suppose on such grounds the doping and testing game will continue to be played more or less as it is being played now, which is good for the controllers and the perpetuation of ethical posturing.
On another level, the whole issue of performance enhancing substances in endurance sports has reached a point where it seems to be only a means of control, and little more as far as I can see. If it’s true that all the top cyclists and track&field athletes are (by necessity) employing these methods and staying a few steps ahead of the controllers in an ever-increasing list of Forbidden Molecules, the whole thing becomes a kind of merry go round game of moral posturing, where once in a while the dance is briefly interrupted by throwing someone under the bus to keep up the pretense that things are under control and the “cheaters” are being caught and punished. But best of all, it’s a system that allows a terrific means of control to keep potential troublemakers in line. Athletes are already as politically meek as Dolly’s little lamb. Imagine for a moment that a succesful athlete in a popular sport started using his considerable soapbox to make lucid belligerant speaches about the putrefaction of the system, or something along those lines. Wouldn’t it be child’s play to have a few of those offending molecules show up in samples of his body fluids?
Further, doesn’t the Lord love all molecules alike? I am beginning to think along the lines proposed by that Mexican specialist, Angel Heredia, who proposes the whole system should be scrapped and that only the really dangerous substances should be banned, to prevent sad spectacles like Tom Simpson, dropping dead while climbing a hill after gorging himself with amphetamines.
The problem is that anything can be dangerous beyond a certain level, and if you allow total free reign, some are bound to get overambitious with some of these molecules. EPO appears to be a benign and loving friend if used judiciously, but it can also kill you if you allow the percentage of red blood cells to get too high, thus thickening your blood to the point you are a candidate for heart infarction (but then again you can also kill yourself by drinking too much water in one sitting). So I suppose on such grounds the doping and testing game will continue to be played more or less as it is being played now, which is good for the controllers and the perpetuation of ethical posturing.
TheTruth
G.O.A.T.
Pure and simple. This is the best summation of that situation that I've read.
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