Speed 360+ MP vs Pure Aero VS

Hulger

New User
Has any of you hit the two side-by-side?
I guess PAVS is less powerful and firmer on contact, which might provide better control? Ball dwells a little longer on SMPs’ stringbed but maybe still a bit more spin with PAVS?
SMP has more swingweight - Is there a big difference in stability in the stock form? How about the maneuverability?
Which one do you prefer?

SMP seems to be an excellent all-arounder, and the same is said about PAVS. But somebody commented that PAVS is a kind of stripped down PA without the edge that made the PA great.

With PAVS my greatest concern would be that it felt too unstable and would need a lot of lead, and then with the added weight would translate into too powerful and sluggish and even disconnected feel - e.g. an experience I had with the first 360 line radical pro.

Looking forward to your answers,
Thanks!
 
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beltsman

Legend
Has any of you hit the two side-by-side?
I guess PAVS is less powerful and firmer on contact, which might provide better control? Ball dwells a little longer on SMPs’ stringbed but maybe still a bit more spin with PAVS?
SMP has more swingweight - Is there a big difference in stability in the stock form? How about the maneuverability?
Which one do you prefer?

SMP seems to be an excellent all-arounder, and the same is said about PAVS. But somebody commented that PAVS is a kind of stripped down PA without the edge that made the PA great.

With PAVS my greatest concern would be that it felt too unstable and would need a lot of lead, and then with the added weight would translate into too powerful and sluggish and even disconnected feel - e.g. an experience I had with the first 360 line radical pro.

Looking forward to your answers,
Thanks!
Never hit with the PAVS so I can't say. But the SMP is great.
 

Ahlun

New User
Currently using the PAVS (stock no mods) and demoed the SMP briefly. The SMP felt like it cut through the air quicker but didn't quite feel as solid at contact. PAVS I have more confidence hitting against harder hitters even without any weight. Maneuverability is about equal for the two in my opinion.
 

nochuola

Rookie
PAVS is in my regular rotations, and I demoed SMP a while ago. To me the speed is a bit of a jack of all trade master of none kind of racquet. I don't think I have any specific negatives to point out, but at the same time nothing really stood out either. It's a racquet that seems to make me want to just stay behind the baseline, and hit a bunch of neutral balls. Great for playing solid defense, not particularly confidence inspiring for offense (again not like it's bad either). It doesn't suit my style, but I'm sure it's perfect for a different player.

For the PAVS, first a disclaimer: the PAVS I received was wildly underspec in swingweight (it was like 311), so I didn't even bother playing with it in stock form before throwing a bunch if weight on it. My customized PAVS is 338 grams strung, 318mm balance, 327 swingweight. From my memory of originally demoing the PAVS (I assume that was stock), I distinctly remember it being quite stable for it's weight. I definitely had no issues with stability, but for comparison sake, the Speed is still more stable. In stock form, the PAVS is quite low powered, and hits a very loopy shot like the regular Aero (the Aero is more powerful stock). I remember leaving a lot of balls short because there was a lot of spin, but not as much penetrating power. In stock form, I might indeed go with the regular Aero over the VS.

The reason why I put the PAVS above both the Aero and Speed, is that I play at much higher weight than their stock weight, and the PAVS with customization is clearly superior than the other two for me. First and foremost, the VS has a relatively low swingweight (even when on spec) that actually allows room for customization, whereas the Speed's 328 stock swingweight means I can pretty much only add weight to the handle. My customize PAVS is very solid and has access to both power and spin when I need them, and I'm not sacrificing maneuverability with the head light balance. My only issue is with very fine touch shots, but I have the same issue with speed and aero. They'll just never compare to something like the VCore Pro HD in touch.

All that being said, it really depends on your spec range and playstyle. If you normally play at around 320 grams 325 swingweight range, than as you said the PAVS might be too low powered stock, and too sluggish customized and the Speed would be a better choice. But if you are expecting to add lead, I would expect the PAVS to allow more room for customization, and be the superior racquet post-customization.
 

welle

New User
PAVS is in my regular rotations, and I demoed SMP a while ago. To me the speed is a bit of a jack of all trade master of none kind of racquet. I don't think I have any specific negatives to point out, but at the same time nothing really stood out either. It's a racquet that seems to make me want to just stay behind the baseline, and hit a bunch of neutral balls. Great for playing solid defense, not particularly confidence inspiring for offense (again not like it's bad either). It doesn't suit my style, but I'm sure it's perfect for a different player.

For the PAVS, first a disclaimer: the PAVS I received was wildly underspec in swingweight (it was like 311), so I didn't even bother playing with it in stock form before throwing a bunch if weight on it. My customized PAVS is 338 grams strung, 318mm balance, 327 swingweight. From my memory of originally demoing the PAVS (I assume that was stock), I distinctly remember it being quite stable for it's weight. I definitely had no issues with stability, but for comparison sake, the Speed is still more stable. In stock form, the PAVS is quite low powered, and hits a very loopy shot like the regular Aero (the Aero is more powerful stock). I remember leaving a lot of balls short because there was a lot of spin, but not as much penetrating power. In stock form, I might indeed go with the regular Aero over the VS.

The reason why I put the PAVS above both the Aero and Speed, is that I play at much higher weight than their stock weight, and the PAVS with customization is clearly superior than the other two for me. First and foremost, the VS has a relatively low swingweight (even when on spec) that actually allows room for customization, whereas the Speed's 328 stock swingweight means I can pretty much only add weight to the handle. My customize PAVS is very solid and has access to both power and spin when I need them, and I'm not sacrificing maneuverability with the head light balance. My only issue is with very fine touch shots, but I have the same issue with speed and aero. They'll just never compare to something like the VCore Pro HD in touch.

All that being said, it really depends on your spec range and playstyle. If you normally play at around 320 grams 325 swingweight range, than as you said the PAVS might be too low powered stock, and too sluggish customized and the Speed would be a better choice. But if you are expecting to add lead, I would expect the PAVS to allow more room for customization, and be the superior racquet post-customization.
Hi,

currently also playing the PAVS and enjoy it quite a bit. However it needs lead in my opinion... I just added 2g at 12, but that is not enough. @nochuola: how did you customize your PAVS? Did you also try a leather grip?

I cannot compare it to the Speed yet, but to me PAVS plays like a bit of a more controlled version as the Pure Aero. I used to play with the AeroproDrive 2013 version quite a bit but was always looking for more control which I hope PA VS gives me (I am not yet decided).

Greetz W
 

nochuola

Rookie
Hi,

currently also playing the PAVS and enjoy it quite a bit. However it needs lead in my opinion... I just added 2g at 12, but that is not enough. @nochuola: how did you customize your PAVS? Did you also try a leather grip?

I cannot compare it to the Speed yet, but to me PAVS plays like a bit of a more controlled version as the Pure Aero. I used to play with the AeroproDrive 2013 version quite a bit but was always looking for more control which I hope PA VS gives me (I am not yet decided).

Greetz W
I have 2g @12, 1g each at 3&9, 5g along the handle (length-wise), and 2g at the top of the handle. Also a 3g dampener which is may or may not be significant depending on the player.

The 2g @12 is to bring up the ridiculously low swingweight I got. I may have just 1g or even none if the racquet was on spec. The weight at 3&9 is more important to me as I like a high twistweight.

I've tried leather grip, but I found it made this racquet too tail heavy and unwieldily whippy (similar to the issue I have with it stock). You may have noticed my peculiar weight set up in the handle. I like this type of distribution with some evenly distributed along the handle and some at the very top. It brings the balance down for better maneuverability, but doesn't make the racquet too whippy for me

These are obviously just my preferences. You are welcome to copy, but again, it all depends on your own individual needs.
 

welle

New User
I have 2g @12, 1g each at 3&9, 5g along the handle (length-wise), and 2g at the top of the handle. Also a 3g dampener which is may or may not be significant depending on the player.

The 2g @12 is to bring up the ridiculously low swingweight I got. I may have just 1g or even none if the racquet was on spec. The weight at 3&9 is more important to me as I like a high twistweight.

I've tried leather grip, but I found it made this racquet too tail heavy and unwieldily whippy (similar to the issue I have with it stock). You may have noticed my peculiar weight set up in the handle. I like this type of distribution with some evenly distributed along the handle and some at the very top. It brings the balance down for better maneuverability, but doesn't make the racquet too whippy for me

These are obviously just my preferences. You are welcome to copy, but again, it all depends on your own individual needs.
Thanks for the detailed info. I guess I will give it a try :)
 

EggSalad

Rookie
Has any of you hit the two side-by-side?
I guess PAVS is less powerful and firmer on contact, which might provide better control? Ball dwells a little longer on SMPs’ stringbed but maybe still a bit more spin with PAVS?
SMP has more swingweight - Is there a big difference in stability in the stock form? How about the maneuverability?
Which one do you prefer?

SMP seems to be an excellent all-arounder, and the same is said about PAVS. But somebody commented that PAVS is a kind of stripped down PA without the edge that made the PA great.

With PAVS my greatest concern would be that it felt too unstable and would need a lot of lead, and then with the added weight would translate into too powerful and sluggish and even disconnected feel - e.g. an experience I had with the first 360 line radical pro.

Looking forward to your answers,
Thanks!
I haven’t hit the Babolat. I was planning on it but once I started demoing through the current head lineup, I knew I would find one that worked. (I played a head radical in early 2000s so there was familiarity with head). I actually started by demoing the Gravity Tour, which I loved but realized I needed a little more pop on the ball.

When I demo’d the Speed MP, one thing that stuck out to me was how balanced it was and could do everything well. Now that I’ve had them a month, I’m learning that it is a racquet that is also very adaptable to changes without losing the original balanced character. You can add weight to the handle for a more head light feel or lead to the hoop (fwiw, I’ve never been a lead in the hoop guy, but there are many posts where users like this). It also seems to respond well to different strings while still maintaining it’s control oriented feel. And as long as your string setup is arm friendly, the frame is going to be arm friendly.

For a little more context, I’m a former high school player who is now in my early 40s and barely played between HS and now.I’m probably around a 4.0 at the moment (with consistency issues due to rust) and I saw the speed MP+ as a racquet that would be great now, but would still suit me well as I got back into playing more and got my game back to where it used to be.

Rightfully or wrongfully, I viewed the Babolat Aero and Pure drive as recreational racquets that would give me immediate benefit (spin or power) but that I would out grow them in a year as I’d want more of an all around racquet as my game improved. But I also never hit them, so that was just my perspective from reading online.
 
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