Spin, Control, Plow and Low RA

liftordie

Hall of Fame
I'm searching the best frame as possible with:

Spin
Control
Plow
Low RA
Minimum vibrations
Head light as possible

Let me know what frames are you thinking about when reading these words!

I'm 42, 4.5/5.0, heavy spin player.
Thank you
 

liftordie

Hall of Fame
16x19 and 645.
I'm seriously looking at the Phantom O3 100X... But I don't see grommets anywhere in Europe...... And I can't imagine NEVER replacing the grommets!!!!!! That's SO ANNOYING from Prince and @TWE Staff @TW Staff !!!!!!! When I buy a racquet, especially a RECENT model, I don't want to be stress about HOW I WOULD FIND GROMMETS!!!!!!!!!!
 

liftordie

Hall of Fame
Gravity tour

it’s 18x20 so there’s your control, but it is a 100 so you have access to spin

serious plow/stabity, epic actually

61 RA!!!!
It was on my list... ;) Nice frame for sure!
But I think I could get much more spin with the Prince 16x18 with O ports... And the Phantom is much more head light and comfy (60ra)...
 
Not sure if you wanted only sticks that are currently available new. If not - I’d say any Head racquet before 2000 will work for the requirement of soft with control and plow. I’ve tried a lot of racquets in the last 3 years and the only ones I’ve kept are Head Club Pro, Head Graphite Pro, Head TXP Pro, PT 630 and PT 280 (sold back out all others). The 1st 3 are 90 sq in, so would not recommend for extreme spin. The last 2 are excellent in pretty much any category one could name ; they’re 18/20 though so the launch angles tend to be somewhat low. Only catch with these is to find ones in decent condition used.
 

liftordie

Hall of Fame
Not sure if you wanted only sticks that are currently available new. If not - I’d say any Head racquet before 2000 will work for the requirement of soft with control and plow. I’ve tried a lot of racquets in the last 3 years and the only ones I’ve kept are Head Club Pro, Head Graphite Pro, Head TXP Pro, PT 630 and PT 280 (sold back out all others). The 1st 3 are 90 sq in, so would not recommend for extreme spin. The last 2 are excellent in pretty much any category one could name ; they’re 18/20 though so the launch angles tend to be somewhat low. Only catch with these is to find ones in decent condition used.
Thanks but I want a new and modern racquet.

And I don't know if I am the only one here who really need to change grommets frequently.... I play a lot and if I don't change grommets frequently, I will destroy my frame WAY faster!!!
 

ron schaap

Hall of Fame
I'm searching the best frame as possible with:

Spin
Control
Plow
Low RA
Minimum vibrations
Head light as possible

Let me know what frames are you thinking about when reading these words!

I'm 42, 4.5/5.0, heavy spin player.
Thank you
evidently clash no matter what the pro stock heavy frames freaks are telling you.
 

Dartagnan64

G.O.A.T.
You can't have plowthrough and whippy. You are asking for a racket with low inertia and high momentum which is virtually impossible to achieve as they both depend on mass in the equation. The higher the mass, the higher the momentum and inertia. The lower the mass the lower the momentum and inertia.
 

liftordie

Hall of Fame
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you but 68RA at 357g strung sounds like trouble. SW doesn't seem too crazy (probably the balance) but I imagine that it's not very arm friendly or plush.
Arm destroyer!!!!!!! :-D:X3:

I just bought a Phantom 100X 305.
I know Prince and I'm pretty sure it is the best frame I'm looking for.
Can't wait!!!
Thanks to all of you and will report back. ;)(y)
 

Tennisist

Professional
I found this with Donnay Pro Ones. 16x19 works right off the bet. 18x20 requires some very careful string choices and tension, as some strings completely lack spin in this configuration. But once a proper string is found, the 18x20 even surpasses 16x19 is all respects. 336g/7pt/SW325.
 

liftordie

Hall of Fame
You can't have plowthrough and whippy. You are asking for a racket with low inertia and high momentum which is virtually impossible to achieve as they both depend on mass in the equation. The higher the mass, the higher the momentum and inertia. The lower the mass the lower the momentum and inertia.
I know but I was searching for the best balance possible between the two... I will see if I can hit a heavy spin ball with that 100X!!! And against big hitters... I'm sure it will handle it!!! o_O:p
 

SinneGOAT

Hall of Fame
I'm searching the best frame as possible with:

Spin
Control
Plow
Low RA
Minimum vibrations
Head light as possible

Let me know what frames are you thinking about when reading these words!

I'm 42, 4.5/5.0, heavy spin player.
Thank you
The Head gravity pro. It is headlight, very soft, great control, really good spin for the 18/20 due to the head shape and string spacing, and fantastic plow. Much better spin than a prestige mp.
 

soolwan

New User
With similar criteria to yours, and after owning RF97s and VCORE Pro 97HDs, I chose the Head Pro Tour 2.0. I string it with Luxilon ALU Power at around 55. Because of the dense string pattern and related slightly lower launch, I can swing faster, so that’s more spin for how I play.
 

ollinger

G.O.A.T.
Added a little weight (10 gram butt cap inserts and 3 grams up top) to my Donnay Pentacore Pro Ones (102) and they play fabulously, RA = 55, excellent spin and control, very manageable SW
 

liftordie

Hall of Fame
The Head gravity pro. It is headlight, very soft, great control, really good spin for the 18/20 due to the head shape and string spacing, and fantastic plow. Much better spin than a prestige mp.
315g is too much for me. And I hate 18x20... Also I read a lot of bad reviews against the Gravity line's QC... It seems to be weird out of specs!! :eek:
 

StanAO14

Semi-Pro
I think your wish list doesn’t succeed without choosing a heavy(ier) racquet. For plow you need a heavy static weight (around 320 gr or >) or a heavy swing weight (around 330 SW or >). I you want plow and a lighter racquet (let’s say Wilson blade V7) you end with a not so HL racquet etc..

edit: you might like the head extreme pro 360+. I have not played it myself but it thicks all your boxes more or less. It has a medium weight and swingweight but should have some plow because of the thicker beam. Its RA is pretty low for the type of frame it is. 16/19 spin pattern, but I’ve red somewhere it has tight centre mains for enhancing control, and it is head light.
 
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veelium

Hall of Fame
If you want minimal vibrations, have you thought about Prokennex? Haven't tried that one but
the Qplus tour should be right up your alley. It's 300g unstrung, 9pt HL unstrung, 98 headsize, spinfriendly 16x19 pattern, thinnish 20.3mm boxbeam and comfy 63 RA + the kinetic technology thing for comfort.
 

StanAO14

Semi-Pro
If you want minimal vibrations, have you thought about Prokennex? Haven't tried that one but
the Qplus tour should be right up your alley. It's 300g unstrung, 9pt HL unstrung, 98 headsize, spinfriendly 16x19 pattern, thinnish 20.3mm boxbeam and comfy 63 RA + the kinetic technology thing for comfort.
Good but no plow I’m afraid. Basically he is in search for the perfect racquet (well at least I like his criteria.. ; )
 

veelium

Hall of Fame
Good but no plow I’m afraid. Basically he is in search for the perfect racquet (well at least I like his criteria.. ; )
Well there's a 315 and 325g version but he said above that 315 is too much.

And as you stated above, if you want more plow through you either need more weight or more swing weight/less headlight balance.
With a lighter base frame there's always the option to add weight at 12 to increase plow through with the lowest increase of static weight.
 

liftordie

Hall of Fame
I'm sorry for the "plow gate", guys... :giggle:
I was meaning something between heavy ball and stability against hard hitters with the word "plow"...
I'm French so I try to do my best in English... Be indulgent!! :D
 

Dartagnan64

G.O.A.T.
I know but I was searching for the best balance possible between the two... I will see if I can hit a heavy spin ball with that 100X!!! And against big hitters... I'm sure it will handle it!!! o_O:p

Best technology is probably O ports since they can move more quickly through the air at heavier mass than a lot of frames. And Prince frames are generally arm friendly. The Phantom 100 O3 might be the better option than the 100X.

Another option would be to move a little larger in frame size like a Blade 104 where you get some added plow from the larger string bed and sweetspot.
 

Lukhas

Legend
I'm sorry for the "plow gate", guys... :giggle:
I was meaning something between heavy ball and stability against hard hitters with the word "plow"...
I'm French so I try to do my best in English... Be indulgent!! :D
The thing is that stability also increases with weight. Vibrations also tend to decrease since the racquet is more stable, and the increase in SW increases spin and power as well. You also don't need to swing as fast to get power. Basically the only problem with a heavier racquet is the lower manoeuvrability. :whistle: If you're as good as you say you are, because 4.5/5.0 is between top of third series and early second series (which is way above average), you should be playing frequently and have pretty good physical conditioning. 310-315g unstrung shouldn't be the end of the world for a player like you. I wouldn't exclude racquets in that range from your playtest list. If you try heavier racquets, I also wouldn't exclude 18*20 either, especially in a 100in² frame: as the weight increase, they make more sense for control since the denser string pattern allows to tame the launch angle. There also are 18*19 or 16*20 racquets if you really cannot tolerate the sight of a 18*20.

If you want spin, plow, low vibrations and very headlight; no matter how you want to cut it, heavier is better. Bonne chance!
 
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liftordie

Hall of Fame
Best technology is probably O ports since they can move more quickly through the air at heavier mass than a lot of frames. And Prince frames are generally arm friendly. The Phantom 100 O3 might be the better option than the 100X.

Another option would be to move a little larger in frame size like a Blade 104 where you get some added plow from the larger string bed and sweetspot.
I like O3 but control could be erratic...
Blade 104 v8 is interesting but too light...
 

Lukhas

Legend
Additionally, the only frame I know that is quite headlight with decent swingweight and a not too open strong pattern is the Prince Beast 98. I use the O3 version. Albeit not harsh at all, it's not low RA. It's going to be difficult to find another racquet that light that has that kind of SW (325-330SW) and balance (6pts HL/32.5cm): generally that means removing weight from the head, which lowers plow and spin. The Beast 98 feels as if it has not much weight in the throat, and it probably doesn't: it's whippy since it's very polarized: weight at either end of the racquet but not much in the middle.

It's also getting discontinued in the West, probably in favour of the Synergy. I'd still try the Head Gravity to be honest, it does seem to fit the bill quite well; or maybe something from ProKennex. That being said, as mentioned earlier as well as by other people: the easiest way to gain stability and power is more weight. Heavier might be tiring, but lighter can also be if you spend too much time swinging for the fence to compensate for the lack of power.
 

liftordie

Hall of Fame
The thing is that stability also increases with weight. Vibrations also tend to decrease since the racquet is more stable, and the increase in SW increases spin and power as well. You also don't need to swing as fast to get power. Basically the only problem with a heavier racquet is the lower manoeuvrability. :whistle: If you're as good as you say you are, because 4.5/5.0 is between top of third series and early second series (which is way above average), you should be playing frequently and have pretty good physical conditioning. 310-315g unstrung shouldn't be the end of the world for a player like you. I wouldn't exclude racquets in that range from your playtest list. If you try heavier racquets, I also wouldn't exclude 18*20 either, especially in a 100in² frame: as the weight increase, they make more sense for control since the denser string pattern allows to tame the launch angle. There also are 18*19 or 16*20 racquets if you really cannot tolerate the sight of a 18*20.

If you want spin, plow, low vibrations and very headlight; no matter how you want to cut it, heavier is better. Bonne chance!
I have good condition but not so big muscles! :giggle:
I run fast, for long time and I have a good speedy wrist. That's why manoeuvrability is crucial for my game style. :whistle:
I play most of the time on red clay and my game is to eat up physically and mentally my opponent. You don't only need big strength to win at 5.0... Really not. My muscles are my legs, heart and brain. Vicious brain. :happydevil:
 
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