SPOILER - NADAL: "If I knew what I was doing wrong then I would change it"

danb

Professional

larlarbd

Banned
What do you make of this declaration:
"If I knew what I was doing wrong then I would change it".

(Almost) everybody agrees that he has to (in any order you want)
1. flatten his shots
2. take the ball earlier
3. hit deeper
4. serve harder
in order to run less and be more effective on hard courts. I can't believe he doesn't know it...
His declaration comes as a surprise to me.


http://www.sportinglife.com/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=tennis/07/03/01/TENNIS_UAE-Dubai_Youzhny.html
change sport & go act as a clown & shout as much vamos as you like .
 

Baghdatis72

Hall of Fame
Well most players seem to dislike his "I am so cool and I can beat you all" attitude, his pants picking when he tries to serve, his raging bull move which reminds me of the WWE more than the ATP, his annoying continuous topspin and the lame exhibition of his muscles which reminds me of high school years. Therefore, they want to beat him with every chance they get and he gets demolished quite often by those who can beat him and also have something extra for it.
Along with all these he can't realize what he's doing wrong of course as he seems to be spending more time choosing his clothes and thinking of how good he is instead of listening to the more mature players who know what his mistakes are. If he doesn't change something soon then the number 1 spot will be miles away and those below him in the ranks will pose a serious threat to him.
 
He isnt doing anything wrong. He has already hit his peak. He was a player who peaked at a young age and has no more improvements left. He is just going to go downhill now as others improve and pass him by. Federer will take away his French Open title this year. He will never be in another Wimbledon final. He might make the semis someday of a hard court slam but never a final. He will never win another Masters title on hard courts. He will never win 2 Masters titles on clay in the same year again. He will drop to somewhere from 3-5 in the world by years end this year.

The best is already over so I hope he savored it since it is only down from here.
 

Baghdatis72

Hall of Fame
He is the second best player in the world. Don't any of you forget that.
He could be a lot better if he had more variety in his game and working on the points danb mentioned would help. Perhaps his coach can't help him from here onwards and he needs to change to someone like Brad Gilbert or Tony Roach so that they help him becoming a better multidimensional player. He surely has the mentality but he needs something else right now.
 

danb

Professional
Well most players seem to dislike his "I am so cool and I can beat you all" attitude, his pants picking when he tries to serve, his raging bull move which reminds me of the WWE more than the ATP, his annoying continuous topspin and the lame exhibition of his muscles which reminds me of high school years. Therefore, they want to beat him with every chance they get and he gets demolished quite often by those who can beat him and also have something extra for it.
Along with all these he can't realize what he's doing wrong of course as he seems to be spending more time choosing his clothes and thinking of how good he is instead of listening to the more mature players who know what his mistakes are. If he doesn't change something soon then the number 1 spot will be miles away and those below him in the ranks will pose a serious threat to him.
C'mon dude, he is #2 not a recreational player... If he doesn't know what's wrong with his game then it is really unfortunate for him! I think he is a good player, a young gun who can improve. Boy, he must be really cocky not to listen to what others say. I think he has good chances to improve but he must admit (at least to himself) that things have to change in his game.
 
He is the second best player in the world. Don't any of you forget that.
Yeah because of the stupid clay court season which he piles points on. I wonder what his ranking would be if you eliminated the clay court season. That will be even more real after he loses his Wimbledon final and it is replaced by a 2nd or 3rd round this year, but by then he might not be #2 even in the computer ranking even with his big advantage in clay results on anybody except Roger.
 

Alexandros

Professional
He is the second best player in the world. Don't any of you forget that.
No, he is the second ranked player in the world. I don't think anyone can make an argument for him currently playing as the second best player in the world at this point.
 

larlarbd

Banned
Well most players seem to dislike his "I am so cool and I can beat you all" attitude, his pants picking when he tries to serve, his raging bull move which reminds me of the WWE more than the ATP, his annoying continuous topspin and the lame exhibition of his muscles which reminds me of high school years. Therefore, they want to beat him with every chance they get and he gets demolished quite often by those who can beat him and also have something extra for it.
Along with all these he can't realize what he's doing wrong of course as he seems to be spending more time choosing his clothes and thinking of how good he is instead of listening to the more mature players who know what his mistakes are. If he doesn't change something soon then the number 1 spot will be miles away and those below him in the ranks will pose a serious threat to him.
Very Well said . I second that .
 

Baghdatis72

Hall of Fame
C'mon dude, he is #2 not a recreational player... If he doesn't know what's wrong with his game then it is really unfortunate for him! I think he is a good player, a young gun who can improve. Boy, he must be really cocky not to listen to what others say. I think he has good chances to improve but he must admit (at least to himself) that things have to change in his game.
Yes exactly. The #2 should have more awareness of what's wrong with his game and not make such statements like the one you posted.
 

larlarbd

Banned
FED will eat red-dust this year in the r16.
I hope someone else wins the french , I just can't stand that nadal - he deserves a permanent place in the ZOO.
 
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tricky

Hall of Fame
Well as it stands, Nadal has rebuilt his serve. He serves at a pretty high percentage, but mostly because he doesn't try to do anything fancy. In any case, he has above average pace on it.

Nadal's hitting flatter when he needs to (his stroke allows him to do so), but he probably needs to improve his BH. His 2H BH is great on the run, but he needs to make it more of a weapon to control depth and hit DTL winners.

I don't think Nadal can take the ball early unless it's an easy short ball. On his FH side, he always moves away from the ball even when he doesn't really need to. His feet in general doesn't seem to come into play with his stroke.
 
FED will eat red-dust this year in the r16.
I hope someone else wins the frecnh , I just can't stand that nadal - he deserves a permanent place in the ZOO.
If you dont want Nadal to win the french you shouldnt be wanting Federer to lose in the round of 16 since Federer is the only one who can beat Nadal at the French Open this year. I gaurantee you that much. If your wish of Federer going out in the round of 16 comes true then get ready for Nadal to win the French since nobody else can stop Nadal there. Youzhny, Berdych, Blake the guys who are beating him on the hard stuff dont stand a prayer on the clay.
 

holera

New User
He is the second best player in the world. Don't any of you forget that.
i disagree. nadal is nothing special off clay. i don't consider him 2nd best any more than muster was 1st, or davydenko is 3rd or whatever.

nadal is only 2nd because federer wins all the non-clay titles from others.
 

Vlad

Professional
What do you make of this declaration:
"If I knew what I was doing wrong then I would change it".

(Almost) everybody agrees that he has to (in any order you want)
1. flatten his shots
2. take the ball earlier
3. hit deeper
4. serve harder
in order to run less and be more effective on hard courts. I can't believe he doesn't know it...
His declaration comes as a surprise to me.


http://www.sportinglife.com/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=tennis/07/03/01/TENNIS_UAE-Dubai_Youzhny.html



I think he just has to run faster.
 

Chadwixx

Banned
Why do you think a world class player can just change his game?

All of your points lack depth. Why dont you just say hit more winners and aces and cut down on the mistakes.

People just think he is an all courter because he made the wimbledon final. But, if you look at the draw (the roddick side), it was very very easy.

People also overlook the match up aspect of the sport. Maybe youzhny just likes playing against his style.
 

TennezSport

Hall of Fame
Well as it stands, Nadal has rebuilt his serve. He serves at a pretty high percentage, but mostly because he doesn't try to do anything fancy. In any case, he has above average pace on it.
Not sure what you mean by this. Rafa still uses a hammer grip on serves which tightens the wrist and limits serve speed but produces spin. He is averaging 113mph (182kph) on the first serve and 89mph (143kph). Both of these serve speeds are slow in mens tennis. He uses spin (like all of his strokes) to gain the advantage. What is worse is he consistently serves to the opponents backhand 78% of the time on first serves and 99% on second.

Nadal's hitting flatter when he needs to (his stroke allows him to do so), but he probably needs to improve his BH. His 2H BH is great on the run, but he needs to make it more of a weapon to control depth and hit DTL winners.
His extreme grips actually make it a little more difficult to hit the ball flatter. He can do it very well when he has time, but if he is rushed, he hits short or into the net. The grips and big swings to generate power require more time and hard courts rob him of time. He is talented enough to make it work, but when he meets a good HC player, he gets rushed off court and plays 20ft behind the baseline.

I asked the question before, but I don't know if Rafa can change his game enough to be a factor on hard courts and still maintain his clay court prowess.
With the new young talent coming up gunning for him and Fed, it's only gonna get tougher. His game is already damaging enough on his body. Time will tell.

TennezSports :cool:
 
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tennis_hand

Hall of Fame
It's a big risk to change your style while you are so good in the ranking.
and with such a grip, he is destined to do well on clay mostly.
 

ja_

Rookie
Time for a coach change. Toni has clearly run out of ideas.
However, Rafa should avoid coaches who advise radical change of style. He just needs some tweeks.
 

fastdunn

Legend
(Almost) everybody agrees that he has to (in any order you want)
1. flatten his shots
2. take the ball earlier
3. hit deeper
4. serve harder
in order to run less and be more effective on hard courts. I can't believe he doesn't know it...
I don't think it's that easy to do these things without losing his
assets like consistency.

To me, one of the key things he is struggling to improve is his
service return on faster courts.

I somehow thinks it's at least partially due to the fact that he is
using his non-primary hand. He has that awkward look of returning
hard serves which reminds me of Kimiko Date returning Graf's serves...

Kimiko was born left handed but played right-handed.
Also similar awkward look of Maria Sharapova serving (although
he service return seems to be fine...)
 
I am amazed Nadal has done as well in his career as he has. I look at him play and I think he is a good player but he never should have done as well as he has. I cant believe he ever managed a 6-3 head to head, especialy 2-2 on hard courts for Federer when Federer has much better groundstrokes off both forehand and backhand, is atleast as fast, a far better serve and return of serve, much stronger net game and all court game. I am biased but all the same even trying my hardest to be objective Nadal's past success with Federer defies all logic, I cant even begin to understand it when I watch Nadal play even at his best, Federer should never have allowed a guy of his ability to have that much success vs him, but Ferreira never should have beaten Sampras 6 times in a row. Crazy stuff happens, but it has to end eventualy when it makes so little sense to begin with.

Nadal dominating on clay courts to the point he has a record streak is beyond me too. He doesnt even look as good as Kuerten or Muster in their primes on clay.

I just believe he had the right combination of circumstantial matches at the right time, got a certain mental aura with other players and within himself which allowed a tennis game not worthy of such huge success somehow achieve it. I think his bubble has burst and he will now return to more results that make sense for his ability. Roger will start beating him on every surface, including clay, and whipping his behind on non-clay surfaces. Other players will continue to beat him more on hard courts. He will return to doing nothing on grass. He will drop to around #5 in the world, more where he belongs. Things will return to how they should have been all along.
 

Fedace

Banned
^Spoken like a true fanatic. Nadal is the best clay court player ever to step on the court, Vilas said this in one of his interviews so i trust Vilas's statement. and as far as the hard courts go, it looks like rafa is still learning to play on hard courts, once he does, watch out.
 

ACE of Hearts

Bionic Poster
It might be to little to late for Rafa if he doesnt stop grinding out matches.I dont know if his extreme grip can really be effective on hardcourts consistently.
 
The only thing Nadal is learning on hard courts is that he isnt good enough and will never win a grand slam on hard courts. The others are learning how to beat him and that he isnt as good as the mystique through that circumstantial luck which gave him an aura beyond his abilities for awhile, and it is only going to get tougher for Nadal to win as many matches on hard courts. Quarterfinal losses in hard court events will seem like a blessing in only a year or two.

He isnt even close to the best clay courter ever. Vilas and Borg would whoop his behind in their primes on clay. He is just lucky that Federer is not comfortable on clay and that the other clay courters like Robredo, Gaudio, whoever else suck in comparision to the guys Vilas and Borg had to play. Muster and Kuerten in their primes would even beat Nadal today on clay but lucky Nadal faces todays lame excuse of a clay court field to dominate but even his dominance on clay is over this year.
 
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Morrissey

Guest
Well most players seem to dislike his "I am so cool and I can beat you all" attitude, his pants picking when he tries to serve, his raging bull move which reminds me of the WWE more than the ATP, his annoying continuous topspin and the lame exhibition of his muscles which reminds me of high school years. Therefore, they want to beat him with every chance they get and he gets demolished quite often by those who can beat him and also have something extra for it.
Along with all these he can't realize what he's doing wrong of course as he seems to be spending more time choosing his clothes and thinking of how good he is instead of listening to the more mature players who know what his mistakes are. If he doesn't change something soon then the number 1 spot will be miles away and those below him in the ranks will pose a serious threat to him.
Hey Baggy, didn´t I see your player in that Geico commercial. ¨So easy a caveman can do it¨?
 
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Morrissey

Guest
The only thing Nadal is learning on hard courts is that he isnt good enough and will never win a grand slam on hard courts. The others are learning how to beat him and that he isnt as good as the mystique through that circumstantial luck which gave him an aura beyond his abilities for awhile, and it is only going to get tougher for Nadal to win as many matches on hard courts. Quarterfinal losses in hard court events will seem like a blessing in only a year or two.

He isnt even close to the best clay courter ever. Vilas and Borg would whoop his behind in their primes on clay. He is just lucky that Federer is not comfortable on clay and that the other clay courters like Robredo, Gaudio, whoever else suck in comparision to the guys Vilas and Borg had to play. Muster and Kuerten in their primes would even beat Nadal today on clay but lucky Nadal faces todays lame excuse of a clay court field to dominate but even his dominance on clay is over this year.
You know fanatic, you´re full of ****. Funny how he loses a hardcourt event he sucks on clay now and all his accomplishments are worth nothing. Especially considering that during that clay court streak since 2005 he´s beaten your god 4 times. I guess that makes Federer a really crappy tennis player then based on your low opinion of Nadal. Do I see a troll there fanatic?
 

Fedace

Banned
You know fanatic, you´re full of ****. Funny how he loses a hardcourt event he sucks on clay now and all his accomplishments are worth nothing. Especially considering that during that clay court streak since 2005 he´s beaten your god 4 times. I guess that makes Federer a really crappy tennis player then based on your low opinion of Nadal. Do I see a troll there fanatic?
He is no doubt, troll/fanatic, plenty of evidence. rafa is by far the best clay courter ever to play and he will win 2-3 more french opens before he is done and break Borg's record and there will be no doubt. as far as fast courts, he will have to adapt and learn to use fast court tactics such as taking the ball earlier and learn to put away high volleys not brick it like he did today. I suspect he will get better on hard courts and win 1 or 2 aus open before he is done. but the US open will be a difficult task for him with all the other young guns coming up as well.:D
 
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Morrissey

Guest
Why do you think a world class player can just change his game?

All of your points lack depth. Why dont you just say hit more winners and aces and cut down on the mistakes.

People just think he is an all courter because he made the wimbledon final. But, if you look at the draw (the roddick side), it was very very easy.

People also overlook the match up aspect of the sport. Maybe youzhny just likes playing against his style.
Exactly, he loses this match today and people are in a mutiny. Oh Nadal is done, he sucks, needs to do... etc. If he dominates the clay season again all these comments will look even dumber than they do now. You can see the Fed fans are foaming at the mouth because they now that if Nadal is out of the way their boy will most likely win every slam this year and probably only lose 1-2 matches this year (if they don´t meet up). So its bloody obvious that they want his biggest threat to be out of the way. I think Nadal can only improve so much outside of his favorite surface.

Federer has a game that translates to every surface because of his early ball striking and defense. But to ask Nadal to keep up with Fed´s performance from January to November is something that no one except Sampras in his prime can accomplish. Looking at tapes from Nadal from 2004-05 to now he´s definitely a better player. His backhand, serve and return has improved. But he needs to step up more because he´s number two and everyone has their eyes on him. Where as when he was in the top 50 no one was paying much attention. He´s the hunted as opposed to the hunter. Federer will eventually go through this too but not now.
 

ubel

Professional
Obviously, it's no one single thing that Nadal is doing that is wrong and is giving him less than stellar results on surfaces other than clay. Kind of hard to just spout off a list of things he needs to change that will instantly give him results, too, because as it stands if he tries to change his game with the clay court season coming up this fast, he faces the possibility of losing a LOT of points.

He needs to grind out this upcoming season, then start preparing for the grass season by mixing things up: maybe experiment with hitting a flatter, more varied serve as it gets very predictable which only makes his service games harder (he actually did this a little at Wimbledon with good results); get out of that clay court mentality of staying back far behind the baseline.. it might work on clay but it's only getting you pulled off-court on wide-serves and giving your opponent more time to setup to rip winners/force your errors; he has so much power in his shots, but way too much topspin.. needs to learn to flatten out his shots a bit so as to take even more time away from opponents and cause those flatter hitters like Blake to rush and make more errors.

Those are just general guidelines, though, that he needs to think about as he's watching the videos of his past few matches against players who gave him a lot more trouble in the past year than they should have. If he really wants that #1 ranking, he is going to have to take a step or two backward to put his game in perspective and make the correct changes that will make him an even better player (like Roddick did) or else he's going to get surpassed by the other players as young as him.
 

rafan

Hall of Fame
Oh come on! He beat Federer in Dubai last year when he was only 19. The fact that he has become so famous also, at a young age cannot have been easy. He has so much hype to live down. Also his approach to tennis could be the result of his coach who promotes this fighting image - the boxer/gladiator image - not his own invention. He is young enough to change all this and very talented. He shouldn't feel depressed at being beaten. He has provided incredible entertainment and will continue to do so but I think he needs to change his coach and listen to someone else otherwise his confidence will suffer. Also it doesn't do anyone any harm to have a few knocks in life - it how you cope with them that matters - all part of the learning curve!
 

ACE of Hearts

Bionic Poster
This young thing wont work if he doesnt start finishing his matches early and putting away points.Not to mention the number of upcoming young players.Nadal could suffer burnout in the next 2 years.
 

danb

Professional
Oh come on! He beat Federer in Dubai last year when he was only 19. The fact that he has become so famous also, at a young age cannot have been easy. He has so much hype to live down. Also his approach to tennis could be the result of his coach who promotes this fighting image - the boxer/gladiator image - not his own invention. He is young enough to change all this and very talented. He shouldn't feel depressed at being beaten. He has provided incredible entertainment and will continue to do so but I think he needs to change his coach and listen to someone else otherwise his confidence will suffer. Also it doesn't do anyone any harm to have a few knocks in life - it how you cope with them that matters - all part of the learning curve!
I agree - he is an accomplished player and a very entertaining one. The question rather is: Can he do something to become more effective on the fast(er) courts?. I would like to see Federer challenge Rafa on clay and Rafa pushing Federer on the fast courts - that kind of rivalry would make tennis very entertaining. The thread started with a simple question: What do you think of his declaration, how come he doesn't know what's wrong in his game...
 

holera

New User
Exactly, he loses this match today and people are in a mutiny. Oh Nadal is done, he sucks, needs to do... etc. If he dominates the clay season again all these comments will look even dumber than they do now. You can see the Fed fans are foaming at the mouth because they now that if Nadal is out of the way their boy will most likely win every slam this year and probably only lose 1-2 matches this year (if they don´t meet up). So its bloody obvious that they want his biggest threat to be out of the way. I think Nadal can only improve so much outside of his favorite surface.
reaction is b/c nadal set the bar high in 05 and 1st 1/2 of 06, but hasn't won since RG. he does not seem capable of beating a big hitter who is in form outside clay. and they're not just losses, they're often straight set losses.
 

sarpmas

Rookie
His extreme grips actually make a little more difficult to hit the ball flatter. He can do it very well when he has time, but if he is rushed, he hits short or into the net. The grips and big swings to generate power require more time and hard courts rob him of time. He is talented enough to make it work, but when he meets a good HC player, he gets rushed off court and plays 20ft behind the baseline.

I asked the question before, but I don't know if Rafa can change his game enough to be a factor on hard courts and still maintain his clay court prowess.
This is a very interesting observation. Not sure whether you have the same thinking as me. I used to think, like many of you, that flattening out his shots would improved Nadal. However, I came to realise that by doing so, it actually hurts his game more than it helps. Ever since he tried flattening his shots, his shots tend to land mid-court very often, making them easier for his opponents to handle. It might very well be the limitation of his extreme grip. Don't get me wrong, he should still go on to improve his serve, bh and volley, but I thought his money shot would still be his high heavy topspin fh THAT LANDS DEEEEEEP, this is the shot that I believe will continue to bring him success because this is really a very tough shot for anybody to handle on ANY SURFACE, even for Federer.
 
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avmoghe

Semi-Pro
Oh Please.... Nadal and his coach are far more able to handle the situation than a bunch of amateurs posting on this board.

Let me put this as clearly as possible: Nadal and his coach are smarter, and far more capable of pinpointing trouble spots in Nadal's game than any of you here. Nadal is a hall of famer who has already accomplished more than 99 percent of male tennis professionals ever will. Quit trying to act like your worthless amateur opinion actually matters and is the key to solving all Nadal's problems..

Seriously, I'm no fan of Nadal.. but please.. do not rob him of his due credit. He is far more familiar with his game, abilties, and weaknesses than us.
 
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You know fanatic, you´re full of ****. Funny how he loses a hardcourt event he sucks on clay now and all his accomplishments are worth nothing. Especially considering that during that clay court streak since 2005 he´s beaten your god 4 times. I guess that makes Federer a really crappy tennis player then based on your low opinion of Nadal. Do I see a troll there fanatic?
I didnt say he sucked on clay, I said he is in no way the best there ever was on clay. Muster and Kuerten had much tougher competition on clay. I am a Federer fanatic but I admit Federer is absolutely uncomfortable on clay, and the clay court specialists of today like Robredo or Gaudio are joke competition. Muster and Kuerten had to face guys like Bruguera, Costa, Corretja, Moya, Rios, Ferrero, and still dominated on clay. Nadal faces nobody except Federer who doesnt like clay. Borg and Vilas would whoop your precious Nadal on clay in their primes, just watch a tape of them and it is obvious. Nadal can hit 15 balls without error, they can hit over 30 if need be. Nadal would have to hit ton of winners to win the match and Borg and Vilas are too quick and Nadal not penetrating enough to do that.

Federer dominates on all his surfaces against real competition who can play on hard courts and grass like Roddick, Hewitt, Safin, Nalbandian; Nadal dominates on clay vs a bunch of hapless clay courters. Federer will get good on clay this year though and start beating Nadal so Nadal wont even dominate on clay anymore this year so enjoy the memories.
 

Supernatural_Serve

Professional
Oh Please.... Nadal and his coach are far more able to handle the situation than a bunch of amateurs posting on this board.

Let me put this as clearly as possible: Nadal and his coach are smarter, and far more capable of pinpointing trouble spots in Nadal's game than any of you here.
Are they smart enough to realize Nadal needs new coaches and should look outside his family to others to take him to the next level.

Let me make it even clearer: He needs new blood coaching him instead of his insular family. This phase of development has run its coarse.
 

caulcano

Hall of Fame
So he's lost a few matches, give the young guy a break.

Even though though he's #2, he's not #2 on HC, so he was probably the underdog in the match anyway.
 

avmoghe

Semi-Pro
Are they smart enough to realize Nadal needs new coaches and should look outside his family to others to take him to the next level.

Let me make it even clearer: He needs new blood coaching him instead of his insular family. This phase of development has run its coarse.
They are smart enough to get Nadal what he needs. They may not always make the right decision, but their decision will always be far more informed than anyone here on this board. It's pathetically easy to watch a few Nadal matches, and come up with frivolous conclusions about what player "needs". It is far more difficult to actually coach or be Nadal, practice for hours, and study your own tapes for hours to isolate areas of improvement.

I have no problem discussing what we feel a player should do on a tennis forum. I do have a huge problem when people try to pretend they know more about Nadal's needs and wants than Nadal and his coach.
 
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Morrissey

Guest
They are smart enough to get Nadal what he needs. They may not always make the right decision, but their decision will always be far more informed than anyone here on this board. It's pathetically easy to watch a few Nadal matches, and come up with frivolous conclusions about what player "needs". It is far more difficult to actually coach or be Nadal, practice for hours, and study your own tapes for hours to isolate areas of improvement.

I have no problem discussing what we feel a player should do on a tennis forum. I do have a huge problem when people try to pretend they know more about Nadal's needs and wants than Nadal and his coach.
That´s a very good point there. I´ve been wrapped up with the immature fed trolls and nadal haters that I almost missed this well thought out post. Its easy to be the backseat driver when watching a player on TV. He needs to make adjustments but not drastic changes. Looking at a link someone put in here of Federer against Hewitt 2003, you can clearly see Federer not dictating the ralllies and his forehand wasn´t as commanding and as confident as it is now. Somewhere he made a slight change and got better off that side. But really the people who read this post should look for that link. I think its in the general discussion board. Actually Federer curses out Hewitt in the beginning of the clip. I wish I saw that side more often from him instead of the phony niceness. (I know I´m gonna get flamed for that one). haha.
 
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kadwill

Guest
In the clay court season last year, when nadal was on his streak, he was hitting massive topspin, super high net clearance shots almost all of the time. he would stand ridiculously far behind the baseline and get every single shot back with incredible consistency....
don't get me wrong i'm a federer fan but this is why federer has problems playing him.
Nadal did the same on the hard courts against agassi and ljubicic in those to amazing finals which both went the distance; only being aggressive when really under pressure.

However now that he's loosing a few matches and not getting to every final people are saying that he needs to hit the ball flatter? and run less?

I really don't think running less will help Nadal beat Federer at the French
 

danb

Professional
That´s a very good point there. I´ve been wrapped up with the immature fed trolls and nadal haters that I almost missed this well thought out post. Its easy to be the backseat driver when watching a player on TV. He needs to make adjustments but not drastic changes. Looking at a link someone put in here of Federer against Hewitt 2003, you can clearly see Federer not dictating the ralllies and his forehand wasn´t as commanding and as confident as it is now. Somewhere he made a slight change and got better off that side. But really the people who read this post should look for that link. I think its in the general discussion board. Actually Federer curses out Hewitt in the beginning of the clip. I wish I saw that side more often from him instead of the phony niceness. (I know I´m gonna get flamed for that one). haha.

I agree with you. The thing is that Nadal says he doesn't know what the problem is. Maybe there is no problem; he lost a couple of matches - this is normal when you are 20. I was just trying to see what others think.
It might come down to slight adjustments. I am looking forward to Rafa playing Roger. I like them both.
 

mileslong

Professional
He is no doubt, troll/fanatic, plenty of evidence. rafa is by far the best clay courter ever to play and he will win 2-3 more french opens before he is done and break Borg's record and there will be no doubt. as far as fast courts, he will have to adapt and learn to use fast court tactics such as taking the ball earlier and learn to put away high volleys not brick it like he did today. I suspect he will get better on hard courts and win 1 or 2 aus open before he is done. but the US open will be a difficult task for him with all the other young guns coming up as well./QUOTE]
my god that is a stupid stupid comment. nadal is DONE on anything not clay. and his days there are numbered. he doesnt win the french this year and he wont be top 5 by years end and may never see it again... he is just above average on anything not dirt these days...
 
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