Sprint & jump training

Agree to agree.
Also, I think it is better to squat to build strength and do jumping/running/wresting/sport to build court specific power and speed.
Things like an agility ladder aren't bad but are not better than just doing tennis specific running, jumping etc.
And I think some strength coachs have their clients doing odd movements with weights to mimic the court. But when you mix the weight with "skill" you aren't really practicing that skill it's become something else. It's like swinging a 10 pound racquet--wow if I can hit my forehand with a 10 pound racquet I'll crush it with my regular racquet. No you'll just get good at swinging a 10 pound racquet. Instead build you upper body strength with core movements--presses, rows with some assistance work for smaller muscles and then with the new strength practice with your normal gear to translate it to on court.

Agree with this. This is the principle of specificity - you will get good at doing what you do in training. That may or may not apply to tennis movements based on how closely they mimic contraction speed, joint angles, and a host of other factors.
 
Agree to agree.
Also, I think it is better to squat to build strength and do jumping/running/wresting/sport to build court specific power and speed.
Things like an agility ladder aren't bad but are not better than just doing tennis specific running, jumping etc.
And I think some strength coachs have their clients doing odd movements with weights to mimic the court. But when you mix the weight with "skill" you aren't really practicing that skill it's become something else. It's like swinging a 10 pound racquet--wow if I can hit my forehand with a 10 pound racquet I'll crush it with my regular racquet. No you'll just get good at swinging a 10 pound racquet. Instead build you upper body strength with core movements--presses, rows with some assistance work for smaller muscles and then with the new strength practice with your normal gear to translate it to on court.
I agree with much of what you're saying. I haven't used an agility ladder, but it appears to mostly be a warmup, as it doesn't mimic court movement. I'd rather do jump rope or hopping than use an agility ladder. One area traditional barbell exercises lack is rotational strength. I believe that can be trained with things like medicine ball throws, sledge hammer training, and even some of the landmine stuff as advocated by Weck. If I had unlimited resources, I'd get Keiser machines to do most of my strength training as they are pneumatic and allow you to attempt full power through weightlifting movement without launching the weight.
 
I've only seen a few Keiser machines in my day. I thought they lacked eccentric loading?
Have you ever used accomodating resistance with weights? Chains or bands on the bar allow you to explode and will usually prevent launcing the weight.
 
I've only seen a few Keiser machines in my day. I thought they lacked eccentric loading?
Have you ever used accomodating resistance with weights? Chains or bands on the bar allow you to explode and will usually prevent launcing the weight.
I haven't used a Keiser machine in over two decades, but I recall it having eccentric loading that was faster than gravity. Basically the air displaced presses back into the piston from a compression chamber as you lower your body. Of course, the setup will require an air compressor to charge up the machines, but you can adjust the pressure with buttons while you work. I haven't used chains, but I've used some bands. I know that Keiser has a pulley system which can be attached to their lifting cage machine so that you can keep weights from going ballistic when training. I know that some good Olympic athlete centers have these machines. I've seen video of Su Bingtian, the famous Chinese sprinter, doing explosive squats using such a setup.
 
I did a little sprint, lateral shuffles and box jump landings off the box. It is definitely a good idea. I want to do more especially upper body for swing speed and such. I feel it’s great for the tendons
I occasionally do clap pushups. Not sure if rhis is good for speed or not.
 
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Here are some sprint warmup drills demonstrated by Noah Lyles, the current World Champ in the 100m and the 200m. The big difference between this form and distance running is the emphasis on forefoot landing and the very high knee drive, which relies much more on hip flexors like the psoas muscles than distance running. Foot and hip flexor strength is relevant to scrambling to a ball in tennis. Guys like de Minaur and Monfils probably have good foot and hip flexor strength.

I just watched the above video and I think I figured out how/why I injured my hamstring sprinting. My form may have ben bad? I was trying to take too long of a stride and the front leg was too straight and not bent enough.
 
I just watched the above video and I think I figured out how/why I injured my hamstring sprinting. My form may have ben bad? I was trying to take too long of a stride and the front leg was too straight and not bent enough.
Randy Huntington who is a famous jump and sprint coach said that in drills the lower part of the leg should almost hang from the knee at the top of the knee drive. If you straighten the leg too soon, you not only risk the hamstring, but also slow the speed at which the foot strikes the ground.

I have tended to do something similar when accelerating and that's standing up straight too soon and attempting to pull myself forward with my hamstrings rather than maintaining some degree of forward lean and striking back at the ground. I've been doing the ATG split squat to try to gently open up my stride as I'm naturally inflexible and would like a little more stride length.
 
Here's a video showing Korfist training an athlete in his home basement gym. The computerized resistance machine he's using there is a 1080 Quantum, which I can find online for about $50K. He also has a multi-hip machine which I always look for when checking out gyms.

 
Just saw this video of a famous bodybuilder (I don't follow body building) attempting to do some athletic stuff. This is a good example of why you want to progressively work your way into sprinting.

 
Time for New Year's resolutions/goals. My goals with training are more process oriented this year. I want to attempt top speed training at least once a week to maintain the ability to go full speed without risking a muscle pull. This is easier in California where I live as I run outdoors year round without worrying about snow or ice.

My second big goal is to get more accurate measurements of my speed with a better timing system. I'm getting a setup to use an app that links two phone cameras to measure the time between two points. This will allow me to better assess how effective my training has been.

My last goal is to start progressively training for the long jump again. I know I'm fast enough and fragile enough at the moment to instantly injure myself with a full out attempt at long jumping. I'm going to slowly work my way into doing pop ups at partial speed to assess when it is safe to compete. In the meantime I will work on run up and jump drills for a single leg takeoff.
 
Something that needs to be taken into consideration when doing any sort of sprint training, and especially jump training, is overall body weight. There's a reason that professional sprinters, jumpers, and tennis players tend to be very thin. Simple physics means that the heavier you are, the greater the forces you will experience when hitting the ground. If you're overweight, you need to be very careful about doing plyometric training as you are putting your joints at risk.

When I was long jumping in college, I was very light and realistically had a body fat % under 10%. I'm over 20lbs heavier than those days and I'm still considered thin by US standards. Unfortunately, not all the weight gain is muscle, and I don't believe I'm below 15% body fat at the moment. I'm currently cleaning up my diet to try to drop a few pounds of body fat while maintaining muscle mass. It is only possible to do this by exercising while dieting and maintaining a high level of protein consumption.
 
Just saw this video of a famous bodybuilder (I don't follow body building) attempting to do some athletic stuff. This is a good example of why you want to progressively work your way into sprinting.


I saw this too. It’s comforting, until you see the Russian guys who look like bears and are sprinting like gazelles and doing flips lol

Now having said that, CBum is a multiple Mr Olympia and is probably one of the most famous bodybuilders living today
 
Something that needs to be taken into consideration when doing any sort of sprint training, and especially jump training, is overall body weight. There's a reason that professional sprinters, jumpers, and tennis players tend to be very thin. Simple physics means that the heavier you are, the greater the forces you will experience when hitting the ground. If you're overweight, you need to be very careful about doing plyometric training as you are putting your joints at risk.

When I was long jumping in college, I was very light and realistically had a body fat % under 10%. I'm over 20lbs heavier than those days and I'm still considered thin by US standards. Unfortunately, not all the weight gain is muscle, and I don't believe I'm below 15% body fat at the moment. I'm currently cleaning up my diet to try to drop a few pounds of body fat while maintaining muscle mass. It is only possible to do this by exercising while dieting and maintaining a high level of protein consumption.

This is also true. Ppl ask me how I move so well, especially at my age. My answer is always that a lot more is possible when you weigh 130lb
 
I saw this too. It’s comforting, until you see the Russian guys who look like bears and are sprinting like gazelles and doing flips lol

Now having said that, CBum is a multiple Mr Olympia and is probably one of the most famous bodybuilders living today
The big lesson is just because someone exercises all the time, doesn't mean they're prepared for athletic movement. There's a lot of specificity in training and too many gym bros think that being able to move a lot of weight on a barbell means that they're good athletes. They're probably only good athletes if it involves moving a lot of weight on a barbell.

I think too many people are ignoring movement and jumping ability in their training. As a tennis player, I need to be able to move quickly and accelerate/stop fast. Lifting weights in the gym won't give me that ability if I'm not also training it out on the field.
 
I think too many people are ignoring movement and jumping ability in their training. As a tennis player, I need to be able to move quickly and accelerate/stop fast. Lifting weights in the gym won't give me that ability if I'm not also training it out on the field.
This is a great point.
And I think it is a 2 way street. You will only get so strong and explosive playing your sport. To take it to the next level you need to do some strength training, but you then need to apply that strength to the field.
John Welbourne talks a lot about this on his Power Athlete Podcast. He's an ex-NFL player that ran CrossFit Football and continues to develop training programs for athletes.
 
This is a great point.
And I think it is a 2 way street. You will only get so strong and explosive playing your sport. To take it to the next level you need to do some strength training, but you then need to apply that strength to the field.
John Welbourne talks a lot about this on his Power Athlete Podcast. He's an ex-NFL player that ran CrossFit Football and continues to develop training programs for athletes.
Lifting can be an efficient way to gain strength. Randy Huntington, a famous high performance coach, talked about training the Chinese sprinter Su Bingtian. Bingtian is a genetic freak in terms of how quickly he can reposition his legs, yet he was still having trouble going under 10 seconds in the 100m. Huntington could see that he had a power leak from his calves. Despite being able to squat over 2.5x his body weight, Bingtian had weaker calf muscles than some of the teen girls Huntington was training.

Focused weight training massively increased his calves strength, and he famously ran 9.83 in 100m with some of the fastest 30m & 60m splits ever recorded.
 
Lifting can be an efficient way to gain strength. Randy Huntington, a famous high performance coach, talked about training the Chinese sprinter Su Bingtian. Bingtian is a genetic freak in terms of how quickly he can reposition his legs, yet he was still having trouble going under 10 seconds in the 100m. Huntington could see that he had a power leak from his calves. Despite being able to squat over 2.5x his body weight, Bingtian had weaker calf muscles than some of the teen girls Huntington was training.

Focused weight training massively increased his calves strength, and he famously ran 9.83 in 100m with some of the fastest 30m & 60m splits ever recorded.
Only as strong as our weakest link. So weird that a sprinter wouldn't do any calf training up to that point.
 
Only as strong as our weakest link. So weird that a sprinter wouldn't do any calf training up to that point.
I think he had been doing some calf training, but not bent-leg soleus stuff. Huntington has convinced me that building strong soleus muscles is very important in supporting fast acceleration. The bodybuilding guys tend to dismiss the bent-leg calf work because they are just going for show. Huntington developed the Keiser bent-leg calf raise machine for training former world record holder in the triple jump Willie Banks and Mike Powell (currently long jump world record holder) used it in his training.
 
I think he had been doing some calf training, but not bent-leg soleus stuff. Huntington has convinced me that building strong soleus muscles is very important in supporting fast acceleration. The bodybuilding guys tend to dismiss the bent-leg calf work because they are just going for show. Huntington developed the Keiser bent-leg calf raise machine for training former world record holder in the triple jump Willie Banks and Mike Powell (currently long jump world record holder) used it in his training.
Can't remember where I saw it, but looked liked bent knee calf work had marginal benefit to soleus growth compared to regular calf raises. Obviously, the cost of doing some bent knee calf work is minimal.
 
Can't remember where I saw it, but looked liked bent knee calf work had marginal benefit to soleus growth compared to regular calf raises. Obviously, the cost of doing some bent knee calf work is minimal.
I've seen studies like that too, but I put greater weight on the opinion of the high performance coaches I follow. I view most of the exercise science stuff with suspicion, but I still am interested in it. One of my brothers has a kinesiology degree, so he spent some time participating in lab studies.

I think most people should be doing both, but some gyms don't have a seated calf machine. You can get some of the same effect by dropping down and just doing a standing raise with your legs bent. The seated machine does isolate the soleus. When I pulled a gastroc, I was still able to do bent leg raises while I couldn't push with my leg straight.
 
I would recommend doing short distance stuff. That means 10m flies and short accelerations (preferably on a hill). I believe the Atomic Speed Workout advocated by Tony Holler is a good place to start, but I'm hesitant to recommend some of the harder bounding (box jumps & speed bounds) as a warmup, because I think it is a bit much for adults who haven't been sprinting in a while or have more bodyweight and therefore more impact from any sort of high repeat jumping.

Doing a 10m fly, you'll probably run at least 30-50m, but since you're not trying to accelerate to top speed immediately, you'll need about 15-25m to reach high speed before going fast for 10m or so and then slowing down for another 10m or so. If you aren't ready to go hard on a 10m fly, I think short runs at fast pace for 40m is a good workout. Make sure to give yourself adequate recovery between the reps.

For hill accelerations, I keep them quite short. The idea is to not allow your calf to collapse and to keep your feet close to the ground as you accelerate. 5-10 strides per repetition is good. It is more about developing form and power than endurance. A hill allows you to mimic the acceleration position without needing the power necessary to hold that form on flat ground.
Should I be running uphill or downhill?
 
Should I be running uphill or downhill?
Top speed training should be done on level ground, while acceleration drills can be performed going up a hill.

Downhill is a problem because ground impact becomes larger and your body will try to brake itself and slow down to keep from face planting. The Russians used to do rare drills on a very slight downhill to force the legs to move faster than normal, but the benefit of this is disputed. Some trainers are occasionally using winches to slightly pull the sprinter at faster than normal speeds (overspeed), but again, the benefit of this type of training is disputed. Marcell Jacobs, the Gold Medalist from 2021, had the best way to train at very high speed which was running in a covered wind block pulled by a car on a level track.

Uphill reduces impact but slows things down. Uphill can be useful for starting to work on acceleration drills because you can push closer to parallel to the ground without falling or tripping, though the force on your calves will be greater (foot landing will be less). During acceleration, you want to keep your ankles very stiff and keep your feet close to the ground during the initial four or more strides. At top speed, much more time is spent with both feet off the ground and ground contact is very short.
 
How often do you do the Atomic Gun Warmup/workout?

I'm aiming to do it about once a week. Is this enough?
I'm doing a variant of it twice a week at the moment. My current schedule is Monday and Thursday. I lift on these same days after the Atomic Speed workout. Tuesday and Wednesday and Friday are recovery/tennis days. Once a week is going to be enough for someone who hasn't been sprinting in a while or is older, but you ideally are doing other exercise the rest of the week.

Atomic gun sounds pretty cool.
 
I'm doing a variant of it twice a week at the moment. My current schedule is Monday and Thursday. I lift on these same days after the Atomic Speed workout. Tuesday and Wednesday and Friday are recovery/tennis days. Once a week is going to be enough for someone who hasn't been sprinting in a while or is older, but you ideally are doing other exercise the rest of the week.

Atomic gun sounds pretty cool.
I'm working on finding a workable schedule for everyrhing.
- 2 days gym lifting + a few kneesovertoes exercises
- tennis 2x a week (3x if I can squeeze it in)
- yoga 1x a week
- atomic speed
Atomic gun sounds pretty cool.
Atomic Speed.

Or was it Bernard Tomic Speed? I forget
 
I'm working on finding a workable schedule for everyrhing.
- 2 days gym lifting + a few kneesovertoes exercises
- tennis 2x a week (3x if I can squeeze it in)
- yoga 1x a week
- atomic speed

Atomic Speed.

Or was it Bernard Tomic Speed? I forget
Ideally, before the sprint you feel recovered from previous exercise and warmed up with the short drills. The best option is to do the Atomic speed workout on a gym day before the gym work. Assuming that you can find somewhere suitable to sprint near your gym, you're only talking about 20 minutes or so more to your workout.

I've done a sprint workout on a day I play tennis, but always before the tennis. I often need a bit of recovery after playing a singles match.
 
Ideally, before the sprint you feel recovered from previous exercise and warmed up with the short drills. The best option is to do the Atomic speed workout on a gym day before the gym work. Assuming that you can find somewhere suitable to sprint near your gym, you're only talking about 20 minutes or so more to your workout.

I've done a sprint workout on a day I play tennis, but always before the tennis. I often need a bit of recovery after playing a singles match.
Unfortunately, my gym and the area adjacent to it doesn't have a flat area that is long enough to do short sprints. I've been doing it on a small residential street.
 
hill sprints/resisted sprints are much safer than flat sprints.
I think they are safer because of the reduced impact, but I've still seen calf injuries among those who let their heels drop too much. Keep your ankle stiff and watch out for heel drop when doing hill sprints.

Fast starts and top speed on flat ground is still going to be the standard for most athletic training. Tennis isn't played on a hill, and running up a hill is going to compromise your ability to turn over your legs as fast as possible. For many adults, sprinting on a track is going to have a reasonable level of safety if time is taken to develop the ability. Progressively working your way into it over time is the way to go. If you haven't sprinted in years, don't imagine you have the resilience of a child.
 
I think Freebird would have been a better choice than SCOM but it’s a minor nitpick, good on that guy
 
Fils was interviewed at Indian Wells and the topic shifted to who he thought would be the fastest 100m sprinter among the professional players. Other than the obvious names (Alcaraz, Monfils, De Minaur) the most interesting selections were Fokina and Perricard. Fils claims Perricard is extremely fast, which is impressive for a 6'7" guy. I'd like to see a sprint by these guys.

The only sprints I've seen were of retired players like Borg in those famous athlete competitions they used to have on TV. Borg got smoked by Gretzky over 60m.
 
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