Stan W has "SINGLE HANDEDLY" changed public opinion regarding backhands

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
imagine Nadal with a OHBH. How wild would that be. A crazy lasoo like swing on both wings. Picture Rafas super loopy forehand, accompanied buy lets say Gasquets super loopy backhand. That would be a sight to behold.
Nadal doesn't even need to have any backhands at all. He's a natural righty. He could easily have TWO forehands. Can you imagine Nadal with his monster forehand on BOTH sides? How devastating would that be? :shock:
 

danbrenner

Legend
Nadal doesn't even need to have any backhands at all. He's a natural righty. He could easily have TWO forehands. Can you imagine Nadal with his monster forehand on BOTH sides? How devastating would that be? :shock:

true dat. in his case. he was just meant to be.
 

Murrayfan31

Hall of Fame
lol Stan played a great match on a low bouncing hardcourt. Wait until they play on something higher bouncing. Like Indian Wells and the Clay Court season. It's still a weakness on higher bouncing surfaces.
 

danbrenner

Legend
lol Stan played a great match on a low bouncing hardcourt. Wait until they play on something higher bouncing. Like Indian Wells and the Clay Court season. It's still a weakness on higher bouncing surfaces.

I've got news for you. He's almost tied with Murray for gran slams. ;-)
 

danbrenner

Legend
Off topic. Let's stick to the topic on hand. ;) I don't think you can single handedly convince me otherwise about the the single handed backhand. lol

Lol. I know. You are very "single" minded about this topic. But you can take that as a "backhanded" compliment. But hey, on "one hand" that's a strong way to think. I think if Stan makes mince meat of the top players again come Indian Wells, you may soften up a little. ??
 
Hi Timbo! Where've you been all my thread. So where do you stand regarding Stans performance via his 1HBH? This was a huge eye opener for myself an so many others around me.

Loved it!

Not everyone can hit the one hander like Stan, of course, but it was nice to see somebody validate the shot :)

I saw Tommy Haas play Rafa at the AO in 2012 and he was cranking some wonderful single handers off the high ball too.
 

tennis_hack

Banned
lol Stan played a great match on a low bouncing hardcourt. Wait until they play on something higher bouncing. Like Indian Wells and the Clay Court season. It's still a weakness on higher bouncing surfaces.

AO is high bouncing. Certainly not a WTF-like court.
 

danbrenner

Legend
Loved it!

Not everyone can hit the one hander like Stan, of course, but it was nice to see somebody validate the shot :)

I saw Tommy Haas play Rafa at the AO in 2012 and he was cranking some wonderful single handers off the high ball too.

Cool. I agree. TH is a beast. He's like middle aged, and playing his best tennis. But yeah he's another ambassador of the OHBH. I am goin to try and play with a 1hbh tnite. I think a one handier will be more fun at the 4.0 level. The two hander feels more constricting. You see now how Stan has changed the public consensus regarding this stroke. I hope he can keep it up.
 

Stanimal

Rookie
I'm so glad to see a couple guys near the top using the stroke. Probably because I use one also ever since I started playing. A great one-hand is better than a good two-hand, but a good two-hand is better than a good one-hand. To play this stroke is to play with fire, because any mistakes made with it are usually followed by something like "your other arm would stabilize you more" or some other crack.

Don't get me wrong, I think a two is the right thing to teach someone starting out, but late comers to tennis and some naturals just have a certain feel.

Wawrinka and Gasquet impress me with it in different ways. Stan hitting as hard one-armed as guys with two is cool. Richard slicing the green off the ball and running opponents ragged is good fun.

I've tried converting a couple times and just can't get it right. I think maybe it was all the baseball I played hitting left-handed. To switch the double stroke to the other side is not easy for me, as much as I'd like to have that good Davydenko slap going. It messed with my serve a lot too as I was used to having my left foot behind. Anyway...

One is good fun.
 

tennis_hack

Banned
I'm so glad to see a couple guys near the top using the stroke. Probably because I use one also ever since I started playing. A great one-hand is better than a good two-hand, but a good two-hand is better than a good one-hand. To play this stroke is to play with fire, because any mistakes made with it are usually followed by something like "your other arm would stabilize you more" or some other crack.

Don't get me wrong, I think a two is the right thing to teach someone starting out, but late comers to tennis and some naturals just have a certain feel.

Wawrinka and Gasquet impress me with it in different ways. Stan hitting as hard one-armed as guys with two is cool. Richard slicing the green off the ball and running opponents ragged is good fun.

I've tried converting a couple times and just can't get it right. I think maybe it was all the baseball I played hitting left-handed. To switch the double stroke to the other side is not easy for me, as much as I'd like to have that good Davydenko slap going. It messed with my serve a lot too as I was used to having my left foot behind. Anyway...

One is good fun.

You meant to say a great 1hbh is better than a great 2hbh, but a good 2hbh is better than a good 2hbh?

By the way, Gasquet is not really a slicer at all, his backhand is the backhand equivalent of Nadal's forehand - a topspin moonball, and he uses it similar to how Nadal employs his forehand. This is unique among backhands because you cannot physically topspin moonball with a 2hbh - the swing path is too flat.
 

Stanimal

Rookie
You meant to say a great 1hbh is better than a great 2hbh, but a good 2hbh is better than a good 2hbh?

By the way, Gasquet is not really a slicer at all, his backhand is the backhand equivalent of Nadal's forehand - a topspin moonball, and he uses it similar to how Nadal employs his forehand. This is unique among backhands because you cannot physically topspin moonball with a 2hbh - the swing path is too flat.

Nah, I meant what I said. I think a great one is better than a good two. A great two is probably better than a great one. Although there's no way to directly compare.

Moonball or not, he's doing it right.
 

danbrenner

Legend
I'm so glad to see a couple guys near the top using the stroke. Probably because I use one also ever since I started playing. A great one-hand is better than a good two-hand, but a good two-hand is better than a good one-hand. To play this stroke is to play with fire, because any mistakes made with it are usually followed by something like "your other arm would stabilize you more" or some other crack.

Don't get me wrong, I think a two is the right thing to teach someone starting out, but late comers to tennis and some naturals just have a certain feel.

Wawrinka and Gasquet impress me with it in different ways. Stan hitting as hard one-armed as guys with two is cool. Richard slicing the green off the ball and running opponents ragged is good fun.

I've tried converting a couple times and just can't get it right. I think maybe it was all the baseball I played hitting left-handed. To switch the double stroke to the other side is not easy for me, as much as I'd like to have that good Davydenko slap going. It messed with my serve a lot too as I was used to having my left foot behind. Anyway...

One is good fun.


Cool. im not sure what you said, but it sounds like a mix between a brain teaser, and a Chinese proverb from Tzun Tzu. So that being said, i am going to switch to the OHBH after a whole lifetime of the 2. I have experimented in the past few weeks, and honestly i can hit a harder cleaner ball with it. I think that for me, a 2 hander was not the way to go. And the Stanimal is leading the revolution to the OHBH.
 

danbrenner

Legend
You meant to say a great 1hbh is better than a great 2hbh, but a good 2hbh is better than a good 2hbh?

By the way, Gasquet is not really a slicer at all, his backhand is the backhand equivalent of Nadal's forehand - a topspin moonball, and he uses it similar to how Nadal employs his forehand. This is unique among backhands because you cannot physically topspin moonball with a 2hbh - the swing path is too flat.

Gasquet can do whatever he wants with his BH. Flat, arched, whatever. One of the best BH in the game period... His BH is what has propelled him into the top 10.
 

Stanimal

Rookie
Yeah man I found when I use a single, my down the line accuracy went way up and my speed didn't really drop. Cross court shots are fine for me, but I felt like maybe a little extra rip went behind a jumping two. Maybe it's that I can turn my hips more on a two naturally, but it's not really a big deal.
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
Cool. I agree. TH is a beast. He's like middle aged, and playing his best tennis. But yeah he's another ambassador of the OHBH. I am goin to try and play with a 1hbh tnite. I think a one handier will be more fun at the 4.0 level. The two hander feels more constricting. You see now how Stan has changed the public consensus regarding this stroke. I hope he can keep it up.
The public consensus has always been that the 1HBH is the superior stroke but that it's harder to learn so only really good and dedicated players need apply. So nothing has changed because of Wawrinka. :)
 

Sid_Vicious

G.O.A.T.
lol Stan played a great match on a low bouncing hardcourt. Wait until they play on something higher bouncing. Like Indian Wells and the Clay Court season. It's still a weakness on higher bouncing surfaces.

That's like saying Nadal's forehand is not a great shot because "just wait until the indoor season when Del Potro and Djokovic straight set him on low bouncing courts". Stan's backhand should hold up on most HCs. USO is not anymore high bouncing than Australia.
 

Murrayfan31

Hall of Fame
That's like saying Nadal's forehand is not a great shot because "just wait until the indoor season when Del Potro and Djokovic straight set him on low bouncing courts". Stan's backhand should hold up on most HCs. USO is not anymore high bouncing than Australia.
I disagree. Australian Open maybe slower. But also lower bouncing. Not the ideal surface to Nadal. Nadal's game suits the US Open surface better as proven by the results. And indoor season is probably lower bouncing than Australia. But it's close imo.
 

Boom-Boom

Legend
Not only on single backhand but Stan the Man in only 1,83m tall and is consistently pounding 215 km/h serves all day...has any guy this "small" served that fast in the past??
 

PhrygianDominant

Hall of Fame
Not only on single backhand but Stan the Man in only 1,83m tall and is consistently pounding 215 km/h serves all day...has any guy this "small" served that fast in the past??

I don't know. His serve is really misleading. It looks really rough and undeveloped, but under its unfinished exterior there is a poetry to the simplicity. He really just throws it up and smacks it down, very little extraneous motion, and very little can go wrong...
 

tennis_hack

Banned
Not only on single backhand but Stan the Man in only 1,83m tall and is consistently pounding 215 km/h serves all day...has any guy this "small" served that fast in the past??

By the way, the one-handedness of Wawrinka's backhand has a lot to do with the amount of firepower he has off that side relative to his size.

The longer lever arm of the 1hbh vs 2hbh means that smaller guys with shorter wingspans can more easily generate racket head speed (to be used in pace and/or spin) with 1hbh's than with 2hbh's.
 

JackB1

G.O.A.T.
Funny thing is, right after the AO final, all the online tennis gurus started peddling their one-handed backhand courses :)

strike while the iron is hot!
 

slal1984

Professional
Gasquet has a pretty good backhand himself. Youtube it to see for yourself.

It all depends how you hit it under pressure and when it counts. Stan hit it under pressure consistently and constantly against Djoka, Berdych, and Rafa. I dont think Gasquet has that ability.
 
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slal1984

Professional
The public consensus has always been that the 1HBH is the superior stroke but that it's harder to learn so only really good and dedicated players need apply. So nothing has changed because of Wawrinka. :)

Public consensus????? any data to prove this?
 

captainbryce

Hall of Fame
You revive a dead thread to get people to watch your YouTube video? Seriously?

Jeez, I thought people would be more creative. :neutral:
I didn't realize a thread from last week was considered "dead" (especially when there are other recent threads on the same topic that are currently being discussed). I thought people would be more attentive.

Oh, and YOU'RE WELCOME!

:middlefingeremoticon: :)
 

Manus Domini

Hall of Fame
I didn't realize a thread from last week was considered "dead" (especially when there are other recent threads on the same topic that are currently being discussed). I thought people would be more attentive.

Oh, and YOU'RE WELCOME!

:middlefingeremoticon: :)

It's more that it's OT (well, not strictly OT, which is why you should revive a thread--God, OT versus OT is confusing).
 

slal1984

Professional
Do you also need data to prove that the sky is blue? Things as obvious as the sun rising in the east and setting in the west do not need data. :shock:

So i can say -

Public consensus --> Ever since STAN won, more kids want to hit the 1hb than before.

Can you prove me wrong? I did say "public consensus".
 

slal1984

Professional
Do you also need data to prove that the sky is blue? Things as obvious as the sun rising in the east and setting in the west do not need data. :shock:

Plus you can see the sky is "blue" in the DAY, so it is pretty obvious.

Can you see the effect of the Stan's victory on people switching to the 1hb? So i do not understand how your argument is even relative...lol.
 
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