Stan Wawrinka to win Australian open?

[Zain786]

I think he can pull off the upset and take novak out. Murray is no match for Stan and has lost his last three against the Swiss. Depends on the draw but Stan can win this. Betting odds are at 14/1, he has definitely been the money at the slams for the past two years, only issue is his inconsistency but he has not been beaten before the semis since 2014 and in 2013 he did lose in the fourth round against Nole.

 

[Pagoo]

He certainly has the tools. The biggest challenge is consistency, and of course the draws (subject to the whims of the organizers, of course).

 

[StannisTheMannis]

Stan "The Legend Killer" Wawrinka is the only one who is able to walk onto a court with Nole and not feel fear.

 

[Mainad]

I think he can pull off the upset and take novak out. Murray is no match for Stan and has lost his last three against the Swiss. Depends on the draw but Stan can win this. Betting odds are at 14/1, he has definitely been the money at the slams for the past two years, only issue is his inconsistency but he has not been beaten before the semis since 2014 and in 2013 he did lose in the fourth round against Nole.

Stan may not be in Murray's half of the draw, though.

 

[Poisoned Slice]

I would not expect it.

 

[Inanimate_object]

That would be pretty awesome.

 

[Deleted member 740774]

as Delpo won't be back till February. I'll allow it

 

[Djokovic2011]

Stan may not be in Murray's half of the draw, though.

I've got a feeling he will be though.

 

[tennis_pro]

In the last 5 meetings in a Slam between Wawrinka and Djokovic Wawrinka won at least 2 sets every time. He can do it regardless of Djokovic's form. If Wawrinka is in Slam winning form there is nothing Djokovic can do to stop him.

 

[Mainad]

I've got a feeling he will be though.

You mean you hope he will.

 

[Djokovic2011]

You mean you hope he will.

Believe me mate, I think I'd prefer Stan in the semis. He doesn't lose finals these days!

 

[Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil]

In the last 5 meetings in a Slam between Wawrinka and Djokovic Wawrinka won at least 2 sets every time. He can do it regardless of Djokovic's form. If Wawrinka is in Slam winning form there is nothing Djokovic can do to stop him.

Are you saying that Wawrinka's peak is higher than Djokovic's?

 

[torpantennis]

He certainly has the tools. The biggest challenge is consistency, and of course the draws (subject to the whims of the organizers, of course).

The biggest challenge is not Djokovic. Biggest challenge are the rest of the guys.

 

[Poisoned Slice]

14/1 would be worth a punt.

 

[Mainad]

Believe me mate, I think I'd prefer Stan in the semis. He doesn't lose finals these days!

I believe he doesn't do too badly in the odd quarter-final either!

 

[tennis_pro]

Are you saying that Wawrinka's peak is higher than Djokovic's?

Easily. Djokovic doesn't have an overpowering game to match such a pure aggressor like Wawrinka when he's at thet op of his game. He only does it against Nadal thanks to Nadal hitting half of Nadal's groundies landing in the service box.

 

[Djokovic2011]

I believe he doesn't do too badly in the odd quarter-final either!

You didn't have to remind me! 

 

[torpantennis]

I think he can pull off the upset and take novak out. Murray is no match for Stan and has lost his last three against the Swiss. Depends on the draw but Stan can win this. Betting odds are at 14/1, he has definitely been the money at the slams for the past two years, only issue is his inconsistency but he has not been beaten before the semis since 2014 and in 2013 he did lose in the fourth round against Nole.

Ain't that bad. Murray fails most always against Stan, Nole AND Fed but still he's #2.

 

[torpantennis]

Are you saying that Wawrinka's peak is higher than Djokovic's?

Against Djokovic, yes. Against the rest of the guys, not.

 

[Djokovic2011]

Easily. Djokovic doesn't have an overpowering game to match such a pure aggressor like Wawrinka when he's at thet op of his game. He only does it against Nadal thanks to Nadal hitting half of Nadal's groundies landing in the service box.

 

[Djokovic2011]

Against Djokovic, yes. Against the rest of the guys, not.

So you're saying the rest of the guys' peak level is better than Djokovic's? That doesn't even make sense.

 

[Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil]

Easily. Djokovic doesn't have an overpowering game to match such a pure aggressor like Wawrinka when he's at thet op of his game. He only does it against Nadal thanks to Nadal hitting half of Nadal's groundies landing in the service box.

Against Djokovic, yes. Against the rest of the guys, not.

 

[tennis_pro]

What's so funny/surprising? Wawrinka in beast mode tops every player on planet right now.

 

[torpantennis]

So you're saying the rest of the guys' peak level is better than Djokovic's? That doesn't even make sense.

I'm saying there are match ups in tennis. Attacking players like Wawrinka match up well against Djokovic. Peak to peak, Djokovic vs. Wawrinka and Wawrinka wins.

 

[Djokovic2011]

What's so funny/surprising? Wawrinka in beast mode tops every player on planet right now.

Perhaps, but certainly not as "easily" as you make out.

 

[tennis_pro]

I guess the joke is on you.

Wawrinka in this kind of mood just doesn't allow Djokovic to play the way he likes. Gives him absolutely no rhythm like Nadal does.

 

[Mainad]

Ain't that bad. Murray fails most always against Stan, Nole AND Fed but still he's #2.

Well, if Stan learned to be as consistent as Murray and win a few more big titles and stop going out in the early rounds of anything not a Slam, then maybe he would amass enough ranking points to take over the number #2 spot!

 

[Djokovic2011]

I'm saying there are match ups in tennis. Attacking players like Wawrinka match up well against Djokovic. Peak to peak, Djokovic vs. Wawrinka and Wawrinka wins.

Thank God Novak is so much more consistent then!

 

[torpantennis]

Well, if Stan learned to be as consistent as Murray and win a few more big titles and stop going out in the early rounds of anything not a Slam, then maybe he would amass enough ranking points to take over the number #2 spot!

He deserves it!

 

[torpantennis]

Thank God Novak is so much more consistent then!

Lucky you! Lucky him.

 

[Mainad]

He deserves it!

Maybe but he's got to get his tennis brain into gear and learn that it's not all about the Slams however much he and you think it should be!

 

[Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil]

I guess the joke is on you.

Wawrinka in this kind of mood just doesn't allow Djokovic to play the way he likes. Gives him absolutely no rhythm like Nadal does.

Not to mention Novak could have been better in all the Slam meetings (and the H2H which, unlike the one with Nadal, is sooo one-sided), but you seem to have never witnessed peak Djokovic, darling.

 

[torpantennis]

Anybody but Nole fanbois or haters admitting they wouldn't want to see Djokovic-Wawrinka finals in all slams?

 

[Djokovic2011]

Lucky you! Lucky him.

He's lucky, you're lucky, I'm lucky, we're all lucky!!!!

 

[Inanimate_object]

Anybody but Nole fanbois or haters admitting they wouldn't want to see Djokovic-Wawrinka finals in all slams?

Don't be so quick to forget the dud of a semifinal in last year's Australian Open. Not the chemical reaction I want to see any time soon.

 

[tennis_pro]

Not to mention Novak could have been better in all the Slam meetings

Lol

but you seem to have never witnessed peak Djokovic

I have, in matches against player who are either old, declined heavily or don't have the firepower. The final in Doha this year or the 2013 AO semis against Ferrer. A heavily declining Nadal or Ferrer simply can't hurt him which puts his mind at ease = he can play loose and dominate them. He'd never dominate an aggressor who is in-form. As I said, if Wawrinka is in the mood - Djokovic won't beat him.

darling

Lol

 

[Shaolin]

Lord please let it happen. Let me win the Powerball too while you're at it.

 

[Djokovic2011]

I have, in matches against player who are either old, declined heavily or don't have the firepower. The final in Doha this year or the 2013 AO semis against Ferrer. A heavily declining Nadal or Ferrer simply can't hurt him which puts his mind at ease = he can play loose and dominate them. He'd never dominate an aggressor who is in-form. As I said, if Wawrinka is in the mood - Djokovic won't beat him.

Oh dear oh dear.

 

[Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil]

Lol

I have, in matches against player who are either old, declined heavily or don't have the firepower. The final in Doha this year or the 2013 AO semis against Ferrer. A heavily declining Nadal or Ferrer simply can't hurt him which puts his mind at ease = he can play loose and dominate them. He'd never dominate an aggressor who is in-form. As I said, if Wawrinka is in the mood - Djokovic won't beat him.



Lol

That logic of yours is becoming more and more hilarious with each passing day. You blame literally everything Djokovic achieves on the level of his opponents. Nadal is declined, Federer is old, Wawa is inconsistent, Murray let Lendl go, Ferrer is... well, Ferrer... Like he was gifted all the Slams and these years on top of the list. But somehow, Djokovic spanked them all at least 20 times each.

 

[tennis_pro]

Oh dear oh dear.

It is what it is. Peak Djokovic has only showed up in matches that he was certain to win.

 

[Djokovic2011]

It is what it is. Peak Djokovic has only showed up in matches that he was certain to win.

It surprises me that you say this t_p considering the username I have. Oh well.......

 

[tennis_pro]

Tell me that Federer isn't old, Nadal hasn't declined a lot, Murray is as good as he was pre-op, Wawrinka is consistent and I'll let it go. The competition is a TOTAL JOKE.

You blame literally everything Djokovic achieves on the level of his opponents.

That's because since about mid 2014 when Nadal won his 14th Slam he's got no major rival. Only old, declining or unfit people.

Federer doesn't have the energy to play longer than 3 sets, Nadal is just crap and Murray can't beat a top 5 player to save his life. Wawrinka shows up in 1 tournament in the entire season.

 

[PeterHo]

Lol

I have, in matches against player who are either old, declined heavily or don't have the firepower. The final in Doha this year or the 2013 AO semis against Ferrer. A heavily declining Nadal or Ferrer simply can't hurt him which puts his mind at ease = he can play loose and dominate them. He'd never dominate an aggressor who is in-form. As I said, if Wawrinka is in the mood - Djokovic won't beat him.



Lol

Don't really care whose peak is higher, tennis is about playing at a high level consistently.

If Rg 2014 was stans peak, well its not a very high level of tennis LOL. Peak play usually means a straight set affair. He's the only guy in top 5 to not win a slam in straights.

Novak's average level is already higher than the peak levels of 90% players on tour. Stan can easily get beaten by a nonamer, LOL.

And stans h2h with Nole is actually getting worse year on year.

 

[Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil]

Tell me that Federer isn't old, Nadal hasn't declined a lot, Murray is as good as he was pre-op, Wawrinka is consistent and I'll let it go. The competition is a TOTAL JOKE.



That's because since about mid 2014 when Nadal won his 14th Slam he's got no major rival. Only old, declining or unfit people.

Federer doesn't have the energy to play longer than 3 sets, Nadal is just crap and Murray can't beat a top 5 player to save his life. Wawrinka shows up in 1 tournament in the entire season.

Tell me that Djokovic didn't achieve a lot already before mid 2014, during the time when all other players were at a higher level too. Tell me he didn't dominate peak Nadal and prime Federer 5 years ago. Tell me that Federer didn't play a high level of tennis this year, and I will let it all go.

 

[tennis_pro]

If Rg 2014 was stans peak, well its not a very high level of tennis LOL. Peak play usually means a straight set affair. He's the only guy in top 5 to not win a slam in straights.

Lol and Djokovic did it one time only out of 18 Slam finals that he played - against Murray in the 2011 AO final. Give Wawrinka Murray as his opponent and he smokes him.

Novak's average level is already higher than the peak levels of 90% players on tour. Stan can easily get beaten by a nonamer, LOL.

Who cares.

And stans h2h with Nole is actually getting worse year on year.

Nobody cares.

 

[Djokovic2011]

Tell me that Djokovic didn't achieve a lot already before mid 2014, during the time when all other players were at a higher level too. Tell me he didn't dominate peak Nadal and prime Federer 5 years ago. Tell me that Federer didn't play a high level of tennis this year, and I will let it all go.

Come on mate, don't let t_p get to you. You should know he doesn't mean these things he's saying, he's just trolling to get a rise out of you. Don't fall for it!

 

[tennis_pro]

Tell me that Djokovic didn't achieve a lot already before mid 2014, during the time when all other players were at a higher level too.

I never denied that but the competition was a lot tougher so he achieved a lot less. 2015 was like stealing candy from a 3-year old.

Tell me he didn't dominate peak Nadal and prime Federer 5 years ago.

A 30-year old Federer is definitely not in his prime. Apart from Doha he had to wait at the very end of the season to finally win a title when both Djokovic and Nadal fell off the radar.

Nadal was still in his prime but not at his peak. 2011 Nadal did as well in big tournaments as he did in 2014 lol.

Tell me that Federer didn't play a high level of tennis this year, and I will let it all go.

For a 34-year old. The level he produced wasn't 1/3 as good as when he was in his prime. Prime Federer would never allow Djokovic to dominate the tour, lol not even close and peak Federer would dominate him himself.

 

[PeterHo]

Lol and Djokovic did it one time only out of 18 Slam finals that he played - against Murray in the 2011 AO final. Give Wawrinka Murray as his opponent and he smokes him.



Who cares.



Nobody cares.

Nole doesn't need to prove he can dominate, you do realise the weak era theory hurts federer a lot more, right?

Fed never won 3 slams against strong competition.

 

[tennis_pro]

Nole doesn't need to prove he can dominate, you do realise the weak era theory hurts federer a lot more, right?

Fed never won 3 slams against strong competition.

LOL. I'll just take the first year. 4 players IN THEIR PRIMES from FEDERER'S GENERATION - Hewitt, Roddick, Safin, Nalbandian. A bunch of other excellent players who played well - Moya, Agassi, Coria (on clay), Henman, Gaudio played a great FO.

 

[Poisoned Slice]