Stanford Men

anindit gopalakrishnan said:
Haven’t followed the wake guys individually. Stanford has a shot which is better than what we could say against the top 4 but I would not say we're favored.

My analysis:
Doubles:
Koons/Suresh vs Basing/Godsick: Koons/Suresh is the #2 ranked pair in the country and Basing/Godsick are inconsistent at best, 80/20 wfu
Moroni/Thomson vs Basaverddy/Banerjee - B&B have been plying great and Moroni Thomson don't seem like anything special, but doubles is high variance. 70/30 stanford
Taichi/Pow vs Chaudhury/Parikh - Kind of a mid off, neither team has a great record. Taicchi/Pow have much higher UTRs though, so I'll give them a 6/40 chance

Singles:
1. Mornoni (13.29) vs Basavareddy (14.41): Moroni is actually a very strong #1 with a slightly deflated UTR because he seems to not try against worse schools/have some weird losses. But he has good wins too (W over Cassone, Chauvinc, Martin). Basavareddy has also had some long matches with players who UTR says he should be beating handily (Smith, Martinez). 70/30 Basavareddy, bigger risk is that they play a long match and can't get a point here
2. Suresh (13.49) vs Banerjee (13.42): Banerjee has been very inconsistent, with some great wins (Montsi, Artnak, SFs of a 15k), with some bad losses (Overbeck, Westrate, Johnson). Suresh's history is pretty similar with a bit more consistency. 60/40 suresh given Banerjee's recent injury history
3. Thompson (12.xx) vs Basing (13.13). Honestly I thought Basing was playing worse than he is. He's struggling against players with higher UTR but is still routining <13s. Thomson also seems to be improving. 50/50
4. Taicchi (13.29) vs Kang (13.35) Kang was starting to play extremely well pre-wrist injury, huge wins (Quinn, Hoyeral), but his wrist injury has meant offlate he hasn't played that well (lost to Hoyeral 2nd time around, lost to Alvarez). I think if his wrist is healed up he should actually be the favorite in this match, but since we don't know about that I'll call it even 50/50
5. Pow (13.xx) vs Rajesh (13.01). Rajesh is normally a lock since the weaker teams start to fall off in the 5/6 spots, but not WFU. Rajesh has actually lost all his matches to players > 13 utr. Pow also played well against ASU. 70/30 Pow
6. Koons (13.08) vs Godsick (12.61). Another tough out for stanford, UTR 13s at 6 is rough. Koons did seem a bit shaky against ASU and has some inconsistent losses in his history. Godsick is more consistent and seems to have been improving through the end of the season, but still doesn't have any wins against a 13+ opponent. Due to the UTR gap I'll say 70/30 Koons.

Damn, looks like a much tougher ask than I thought. Our best path to winning looks like 4/5 of these (in order of liklihood):

Basavareddy
Banerjee
Basing or Kang
Doubles point

Seems quite unlikely we'll get a point out of 5 or 6. stanford essentially needs 4/5 coin flips to all go their way (Basavareddy's edge is balanced out but doubles/Banerjee weakness), so about a 15% chance of winning which seems about right.
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Godsick will destroy Koons
 
I was looking at Wake's results. they have played 10 more matches than the Card. 10 of their matches have been against top 20 teams. Stanford needs reps like that if they are going to develop players. Hopefully the move to ACC will help.
 
Fuzzierballz said:
I was looking at Wake's results. they have played 10 more matches than the Card. 10 of their matches have been against top 20 teams. Stanford needs reps like that if they are going to develop players. Hopefully the move to ACC will help.
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Yeah that’s been the main reason they haven’t been top 16 in four years. Not enough matches vs ranked teams, not enough bites at the apple. Cal, USC and UCLA have had the same issue recently.

Someone in this thread earlier said Stanford won’t be required to play a full ACC slate but they should still benefit from more matches against like Duke, UNC, even the GT, Notre Dame’s of the would help to fill it out and get reps.
 
Fuzzierballz said:
I was looking at Wake's results. they have played 10 more matches than the Card. 10 of their matches have been against top 20 teams. Stanford needs reps like that if they are going to develop players. Hopefully the move to ACC will help.
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i am scouting their team right now and this is a easy win for the Card

 
Fery struggling some on the Challenger circuit. Made a couple of R16s but also got bounced in the first round by Holt (USC) this week.

#249 now. Tbh, would have expected him to be further along at this point even with his injury layoff. I guess all it takes is one good run and he has it in him. Something tells me though Basavareddy could take him and has a higher ceiling.
 
Sureshot said:
Fery struggling some on the Challenger circuit. Made a couple of R16s but also got bounced in the first round by Holt (USC) this week.

#249 now. Tbh, would have expected him to be further along at this point even with his injury layoff. I guess all it takes is one good run and he has it in him. Something tells me though Basavareddy could take him and has a higher ceiling.
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We need get him to come back for the NCAA tournament, we will get by wake forest but after that we need him to tear thru to the final
 
Nostradamus said:
We need get him to come back for the NCAA tournament, we will get by wake forest but after that we need him to tear thru to the final
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If wishes were horses. First off, Wake-Stanford looks to be a tough one. Second, Fery is probably gone for good, or at least this year. Ofc he could pull a Nanda (UCLA) if things don't work out on tour.
 
Sureshot said:
If wishes were horses. First off, Wake-Stanford looks to be a tough one. Second, Fery is probably gone for good, or at least this year. Ofc he could pull a Nanda (UCLA) if things don't work out on tour.
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Coach Goldie can fly him out to wake forest tomorrow and put him in the lineup. Fery doesn't need any warming up, he could beat all these guys in his sleep. and after he wins the team title, he can go back to the tour. (y)
 
Nostradamus said:
Coach Goldie can fly him out to wake forest tomorrow and put him in the lineup. Fery doesn't need any warming up, he could beat all these guys in his sleep. and after he wins the team title, he can go back to the tour. (y)
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This is one of the few times I'm dreaming with you on one of your cockamamy proposals. But I don't think it's remotely probable at this point and simply may not be possible. However, I did think I heard something crazy about adding new players to the roster even during the post season, but I likely misunderstood that. Standford is going to have to do it with the players that got them here. Should be a good match v. Wake.
 
andfor said:
This is one of the few times I'm dreaming with you on one of your cockamamy proposals. But I don't think it's remotely probable at this point and simply may not be possible. However, I did think I heard something crazy about adding new players to the roster even during the post season, but I likely misunderstood that. Standford is going to have to do it with the players that got them here. Should be a good match v. Wake.
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all kidding aside, roster for the tournament has been turned in and i don't think you can add players at this point
 
Damn I listened to Al Gruskin's podcast with the Wake Forest coach on my lunch break and he just seems like the nicest guy. Sad that we gotta knock him out tomorrow. Side note, didn't realize that their line 5 (Pow) was the british champ in the 14s, 16s, and 18s...shows how tough college tennis is with the covid year factored in. Also, Wake Forest has now had 2 Indians from Chennai, India playing for them (DK Suresh, Devarmann). Wonder if there's some sort of pipeline there
 
Somdev Devvarman played for Virginia but Bresky was the assistant there at the time.

I thought it was funny when Gruskin asked him what happened to the Cyprus pipeline, since they don’t have a player from there this year for the first time in like 7 years. Their usual niche pipeline.
 
anindit gopalakrishnan said:
Damn I listened to Al Gruskin's podcast with the Wake Forest coach on my lunch break and he just seems like the nicest guy. Sad that we gotta knock him out tomorrow. Side note, didn't realize that their line 5 (Pow) was the british champ in the 14s, 16s, and 18s...shows how tough college tennis is with the covid year factored in. Also, Wake Forest has now had 2 Indians from Chennai, India playing for them (DK Suresh, Devarmann). Wonder if there's some sort of pipeline there
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i can't wait til tomorrow,,, this will be a great match. GO CARD. will he be the hero once again ?

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anindit gopalakrishnan said:
Why are the points in college tennis so long? is it cause their serves are much worse than the pros?
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Yes. It’s one thing I notice when I watch pro tennis after watching a lot of college. The pros are way better at mixing up their serves and setting up the points via the serve. Even for pros who are not considered big servers.

While in college they can often just be rally starters, especially in tight moments and when returners squeeze the service box line calls tightly.
 
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Tough loss for Stanford. Great battle by Wake Forest though. Clinch Thomsom over future ATP number -1 (He is so good he goes past the rankings) Kyle Kang
 
Ah damn, wasn't as close as I would have hoped. Only cope I have is WF starting lineup age is (23 + 19 + 23 + 23 + 24 + 23)/6 = 22.5, Stanford starting lineup = 19 + 20 + 21 + 19 + 23 + 19)/6 = 20.1. Wake guys seemed much more consistent and tough, Samir especially just seemed so nervous at the end of that match. GG.
 
Nostradamus said:
they need to replay that game. What an incompetent umpiring,,, that is automatic Let call
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Well Kang shoulda served out the match. Even though that was a match point, it wasn't the point that determined the outcomes necessarily. Thomson was in the zone near the end with the crowd behind him.

We played a match earlier this season where a ball popped and the ITA official rules that because the they could not determine exactly when the ball popped or something like that, our player (who had won the point) still had won the point regardless. It's a weird thing.
 
tennisfan17 said:
Well Kang shoulda served out the match. Even though that was a match point, it wasn't the point that determined the outcomes necessarily. Thomson was in the zone near the end with the crowd behind him.

We played a match earlier this season where a ball popped and the ITA official rules that because the they could not determine exactly when the ball popped or something like that, our player (who had won the point) still had won the point regardless. It's a weird thing.
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Depends on if ball was flat or hole, if hole replay the point.
 
basavareddy routines his doubles and singles opponents and stanford still goes down hard - i underestimated how meek they were going to be at 2-5 - i think nishesh knows what the obvious next decision is - he's outgrown that team and whatever development he can achieve there
 
Tough end. Next year with the possible loss of Basavareddy the Card will unfortunately struggle to be in the top 25. I do expect Kang to improve as his forehand is a real weapon. But I don’t see a legit top of the lineup player unless they get one to transfer. Disappointing years for Basing and Banerjee both of whom were supposed to step up but instead took steps backward. Especially Basing as he was a top 10 player after his sophomore Fall run. Still, another sweet 16 run ain’t bad when one considers they were ranked 44 as late as March. Good luck to Wake although not sure what they can accomplish against UVA. Putting up a fight would be a start I guess.
 
Sureshot said:
Tough end. Next year with the possible loss of Basavareddy the Card will unfortunately struggle to be in the top 25. I do expect Kang to improve as his forehand is a real weapon. But I don’t see a legit top of the lineup player unless they get one to transfer. Disappointing years for Basing and Banerjee both of whom were supposed to step up but instead took steps backward. Especially Basing as he was a top 10 player after his sophomore Fall run. Still, another sweet 16 run ain’t bad when one considers they were ranked 44 as late as March. Good luck to Wake although not sure what they can accomplish against UVA. Putting up a fight would be a start I guess.
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I have a feeling Nishesh will be back, at least for the spring. I still think he can be injury prone and that is magnified on tour

As for Wake, they had UVA on the ropes in Charlottesville earlier in the year. For them, it is almost like which of their sides show up. They match up decently against UVA in singles and should be favored in the all important dubs point
 
optimaltennis said:
I have a feeling Nishesh will be back, at least for the spring. I still think he can be injury prone and that is magnified on tour

As for Wake, they had UVA on the ropes in Charlottesville earlier in the year. For them, it is almost like which of their sides show up. They match up decently against UVA in singles and should be favored in the all important dubs point
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Next year Card will go undefeated straight to the NCAA title. it will be almost too easy
 
Nostradamus said:
New recruits coming in that are pro caliber players, they will be top 5 players in NCAA right away
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Did some checking on Razeghi, the new recruit. Very successful junior career, ranked as high as 10 in the world. His pro career is not lengthy enough to draw conclusions from but he's ranked 1227 with an 8-12 record. Has had a few good wins and close losses. Am not aware of his game style other than he's a lefty. He'll probably contend for a lower order spot and work his way up.

Think Stanford's season next year will depend to a great degree on whether or not Basavareddy returns. Rajesh is the only regular who runs out of eligibility. Rivera or Razeghi could take his spot. On paper, they could still be a decent team without Basavareddy but not top 16 caliber. Would expect them to have to travel again for both the kickoff and NCAAs next season. And without Basavareddy they likely won't make Indoors for a second year running.

Hoping for a good run again next year. Go Card!
 
I'm expecting a similar season from the Card next year unless they get an elite transfer. Razeghi seems good (court 5 or 6 grinder) but not amazing. I could see Nishesh playing pro tournaments during the fall but returning for the Spring season. I hope he does return because the team needs him.
 
Another disappointing year for Stanford men. Goldsteins 13th season and still no results beyond NCAA round of 16. How long will the Stanford AD allow this to continue? Goldstein had a team with the #1 junior in the world (Geller - who was top 500 atp), #8 junior in the world (Boyar, who is now top 200 atp), #11 junior in the world (Ferry, who is now top 250 atp ), and three top nationally ranked players, with a pre-season rank of 5, and still could not get it done. Basavaraedy, Banerjee, Basing, and this current team, are not as good as those guys, but still very good. Isn't it time that Goldstein has run out of excuses? Why he was hired in the first place is a joke. He had no prior coaching experience whatsoever, and as been the laughing sock of D1 coach for several years now. Coaches and players call Stanford, "the players graveyard". If Goldstein had any dignity himself and any class he would resign.
 
Not making excuses for the coaching staff but how good is this team really? Other than Basavareddy who’s a top 20 player they have no one else ranked in the top 50. They made the sweet 16 with this team and I think they did pretty well given what they have. They are definitely not a top ten team and that’s not just my opinion but the forum’s more broadly. So I fail to see the disconnect.
 
Sureshot said:
Not making excuses for the coaching staff but how good is this team really? Other than Basavareddy who’s a top 20 player they have no one else ranked in the top 50. They made the sweet 16 with this team and I think they did pretty well given what they have. They are definitely not a top ten team and that’s not just my opinion but the forum’s more broadly. So I fail to see the disconnect.
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The disconnect is this - you won’t find a program with recruiting rankings this good (top 10 in 10/13 seasons, top 5 8/13 seasons, top 2 5/13 seasons) that hasn’t made it past the rd of 16 in that coach’s 13 seasons

Team Overview

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We agree they develop few top 50 collegians, but per recruiting rankings they should develop far far more

It’s stupid, stupid easy to recruit to Stanford for tennis, and then Goldstein has no idea what to do with that talent

Find another school that has equivalent recruiting rankings over the past decade, and hasn’t made an NCAA QF…we’ll wait…
 
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