Stats for 1983 Wimbledon F(Navratilova-Jaeger)

[Moose Malloy]

Navratilova d Jaeger 6-0, 6-3

Navratilova served at 65%(37-57)
she won 67.5% of 1st serve pts(25-37)
and won 55% of 2nd serve pts(11-20)

Jaeger served at 84%(49-58)
she won 47% of 1st serve pts(23-49)
and won 33% of 2nd serve pts(3-9)

Navratilova had 26 winners: 5 fh, 3 bh, 4 fhv, 8 bhv, 6 ov
Jaeger had 18: 7 fh, 8 bh, 1 fhv, 2 bhv

Navratilova had 4 aces, 1 df
Jaeger had 2 aces, 2 df's

Navratilova had 12 unforced errors by my count(NBC had her with only 1 in the first set, while I had her with 5)
Jaeger had 7(NBC had her with 2 in the 1st set, same as me)

Navratilova was 5-10 on break points(Jaeger made 1st serves on 8)
Jaeger was 1-5(Navratilova made 1st serves on 4)

Navratilova drew 12 return errors, one on 2nd serve
Jaeger drew 3, all 1st serves

Neither player had dropped a set en route to the final. Navratilova had a 10-4 edge vs Jaeger at the time of this match. Evert was in Jaeger's half of the draw, she was upset in the 3rd round by Kathy Jordan(and a cold). Jordan lost to King in the qf's, and Jaeger beat King in the semis.

I didn't take net stats, but noted that Martina only stayed back on 4 serves in the match.

Jaeger had a pretty bad call go against her when she was serving at 2-3, 40-30 in the 2nd. She was clearly bothered by it and ended up getting broken in that game, just when she was starting to play well(broke Martina in her 1st service game of the 2nd set)

The last game of the match was the best game. 6 deuces. Jaeger had 4 break points, and hit 2 bh winners down match point.

 

[suwanee4712]

I was so excited for Andrea and really thought she might win a slam that year. I was thrilled that she got to the Wimbledon final. I never saw such a flat performance coming from Andrea.

I know the stories and I know that Andrea struggled with life on tour. But her serve was solid enough, her forehand was strong enough, and she had the net skills and athleticism to push Martina on grass. I'm sorry that she squandered this chance.

 

[rockandroll]

I was so excited for Andrea and really thought she might win a slam that year. I was thrilled that she got to the Wimbledon final. I never saw such a flat performance coming from Andrea.

I know the stories and I know that Andrea struggled with life on tour. But her serve was solid enough, her forehand was strong enough, and she had the net skills and athleticism to push Martina on grass. I'm sorry that she squandered this chance.

Martina claims she felt she played a sluggish match, yet she still won 6-0, 6-3. Only conclusions are either Jaeger didnt have any chance period vs the peak of peaks version of Martina (83-84) period, regardless the day or surface, or Jaeger played incredibly awful that day to lose by that score vs "sluggish" Martina.

 

[kiki]

one of the rarest finals of the last 30 yrs

what happened before, in and afterwards?

 

[rockandroll]

I wonder if Andrea had mantained or built on her 82 level if she might have won a slam. Would have been tough since all the slams up until early 87 were won by either Navratilova, Evert, and a GOATing Hana. Then Graf began taking over, and it is hard to guage exactly how or if Jaeger could compete effectively with her on any surface. Before 1982 when Navratilova started really hitting her peak was the time for pretenders (only excellent players like Austin or Jaeger, etc..mind you, I dont mean that in a lowballing way) to win majors. Navratilova hitting a scary level, and pushing Evert to raise her game to a new level to compete with Martina, left almost no chance for others, unless you were Hana going into GOAT mode, or someone like Steffi Graf emerging on the scene.

I guess it would depend alot on:

1. How much improvement she had left.

2. If she truly had the champions mentality (and that is a bigger challenge for the potential minor greats than the majors ones who are superior enough they dont always need it), and could overcome the dissapointment of frequent losing streaks to the greats, and still coming up big to beat them on occasion.

3. Like al how she would have adjusted to the graphite racquets over time, and how much they would have helped her serve, power, and game over an extended period of time.

 

[kiki]

Andrea is, by far, the best non slam winner woman player of the last 30 or 40 years.I think she is a notch above Kournikova, who would come next.Shriver,Hanika,Turnbull,Fromholtz and Bunge would be the next group.

 

[rockandroll]

Andrea is, by far, the best non slam winner woman player of the last 30 or 40 years.I think she is a notch above Kournikova, who would come next.Shriver,Hanika,Turnbull,Fromholtz and Bunge would be the next group.

Anna comes nowhere. She didnt even win a tournament. The best non slam winners certainly have won tournaments.

 

[kiki]

Anna comes nowhere. She didnt even win a tournament. The best non slam winners certainly have won tournaments.

talent wise I mean

 

[rockandroll]

talent wise I mean

oh ok, but judging players by talent and potential as opposed to atleast their realized ability (if not their achievements) is a dangerous line.

 

[krosero]

Navratilova had 4 aces, 1 df
Jaeger had 2 aces, 2 df's

Navratilova had 12 unforced errors by my count(NBC had her with only 1 in the first set, while I had her with 5)
Jaeger had 7(NBC had her with 2 in the 1st set, same as me)

So adding the df's, Martina's Aggressive Margin comes to 40%, Andrea's 22%.

 

[krosero]

Service success when serves were put back in play:

Navratilova 45% on first serve (10/22) and 56% on second (10/18 ).
Jaeger 41% on first serve (18/44) and 43% on second (3/7).

 

[krosero]

Navratilova served on 57 points and 16 serves did not come back: 28.1%
Jaeger served on 58 points and 5 serves did not come back: 8.6%

Both players served better than in their RG final (Martina’s service percentage in that match was only 51%, Jaeger’s only 59%).

 

[krosero]

I didn't take net stats, but noted that Martina only stayed back on 4 serves in the match.

Tennis Magazine (US):

The computer reveals that Navratilova improved her level of aggressive play between the Wimbledon final and the U.S. Open final. Against Andrea Jaeger in the Wimbledon final, for example, she came to the net on 72 percent of the points. Against Lloyd at the U.S. Open, she pushed the figure to an extreme 82 percent. She has taken the concept of court position to its limits.​

 

[krosero]

Boxscores, more boxscores!

 

[barone]

oh ok, but judging players by talent and potential as opposed to atleast their realized ability (if not their achievements) is a dangerous line.

I guess the most talented players we have never seen at all

 

[suwanee4712]

Andrea absolutely had the tools to challenge Martina at Wimbledon in 1983. She wasn't inflexible like Tracy was on natural surfaces. Andrea was athletic enough and had the hands as well as the net skills to be competitive.

I'm not saying she was ready to win Wimbledon in 1983, but that final should've been something more like 6-4, 7-5 and not 6-0, 6-3. Even still, I thought she might win the Open later that summer. But we didn't know the whole story behind the scenes. She was all but finished less than a year later.

 

[forehandblast]

Andrea absolutely had the tools to challenge Martina at Wimbledon in 1983. She wasn't inflexible like Tracy was on natural surfaces. Andrea was athletic enough and had the hands as well as the net skills to be competitive.

I'm not saying she was ready to win Wimbledon in 1983, but that final should've been something more like 6-4, 7-5 and not 6-0, 6-3. Even still, I thought she might win the Open later that summer. But we didn't know the whole story behind the scenes. She was all but finished less than a year later.

I think she was already declined by that point, even if she was still very highly ranked due to the minimal depth in the womens game around that point. She had split 6 meetings with Evert at one point (3-3 during a stretch) in 81-mid 82, then lost every single match they played after that. She also had a few big points over Martina, a couple over the badly off Martina of late 80-early 81, but a couple more after that when beast Martina emerged, but stopped getting any after around the same point. So it seems clear she wasn't the same player anymore, despite hanging around the top 4 still.

She did well to reach the finals of Wimbledon 83, but didn't have any big wins or anything to make it. A 40 year old King in the semis? That was probably her toughest opponent. And speaks volumes to the state of the womens game in 83, Navratilova beat Yvonne Vermaak in the other semi final, Vermaak having barely scraped past a nearly 40 year old Wade in the quarters, in which case King and Wade would have both been in the semis that year.