Stats for 2006 Rome Final(Nadal-Federer)

[Moose Malloy]

my stats

Federer had 54 non-service winners: 28 fh, 6 bh, 7 fhv, 10 bhv, 3 ov
Nadal had 38: 25 fh, 9 bh, 2 fhv, 1 bhv, 1 ov

Federer had 9 aces, no doubles
Nadal had 4 aces, 1 double

Federer had 22 unreturned serves, 2 i judged service winners
Nadal had 30, 1 i judged a service winner

Federer had one passing shot winner, a fh
Nadal had 13(6 fh, 7 bh)

Federer was 55 of 74 at net(74%)
he was 3 of 4 on S&V attempts

Nadal was 16 of 25 at net(64%)
he was 1 of 1 on S&V attempts

Nadal made 1st serves on 9 of 10 break points
Federer 5 of 9

TC stats
Federer - 70 winners, 89 unforced errors
Nadal - 46 winners, 60 unforced

these were TC stats on the '06 Monte Carlo final
Federer - 65 winners, 78 unforced
Nadal - 44 winners, 39 unforced

 

[krosero]

these were TC stats on the '06 Monte Carlo final
Federer - 65 winners, 78 unforced
Nadal - 44 winners, 39 unforced

2007 Monte Carlo:
Federer – 19 winners, 38 UE
Nadal – 19 winners, 19 UE

The '06 Monte Carlo, Fed's differential comes out to -13, which is actually a little bit better than all his RG matches with Nadal until yesterday. Yesterday he nearly broke even (differential was -3).

In their fastcourt meetings Federer typically has positive differentials, like at '06 and '07 Wimbledon. But it's true even in the ones he loses, like '08 Wimbledon (+37) and '09 AO (+7).

 

[krosero]

Nadal made 1st serves on 9 of 10 break points
Federer 5 of 9

That's a great stat for Nadal, one of the best in all our matches.

According to the ATP his success on 1st serve was 68%, and on second 53%. So it made some difference, getting the first ball in.

 

[krosero]

Also should add their first-serve percentage per the ATP, in this Rome match.

Nadal - 85%
Federer - 62%

That's higher than Nadal has served in any of his RG finals.

 

[pc1]

Also should add their first-serve percentage per the ATP, in this Rome match.

Nadal - 85%
Federer - 62%

That's higher than Nadal has served in any of his RG finals.

He concentrated on getting his first serve in yesterday also and it was very effective. I think he knows in a groundstroke rally on red clay that he has the advantage over Federer.

 

[krosero]

He concentrated on getting his first serve in yesterday also and it was very effective.

It's true, he's served in the 70s every time he's met Federer at RG.

2005 - 73%
2006 - 77%
2007 - 77%
2008 - 75%
2011 - 72%

Federer had 9 aces, no doubles
Nadal had 4 aces, 1 double

Federer had 22 unreturned serves, 2 i judged service winners
Nadal had 30, 1 i judged a service winner

Interesting that Nadal has an edge in "free points" on serve, 34-31.

 

[krosero]

One of the things that stands out in the Rome match is the break points. We're always talking about Federer's poor conversion rate (eg, 1 of 17 in the '07 RG final), but in this Rome match Federer's conversion rate was a little higher than Nadal's.

Nadal - 3/9 (33%)
Federer - 4/10 (40%)

Problem was he couldn't convert his two match points.

 

[pc1]

It's true, he's served in the 70s every time he's met Federer at RG.

2005 - 73%
2006 - 77%
2007 - 77%
2008 - 75%
2011 - 72%

Interesting that Nadal has an edge in "free points" on serve, 34-31.

How many of the free points were on the backhand and how many were on the forehand?

 

[Moose Malloy]

The '06 Monte Carlo, Fed's differential comes out to -13, which is actually a little bit better than all his RG matches with Nadal until yesterday. Yesterday he nearly broke even (differential was -3).

2008 Hamburg
Fed: 39 winners, 41 unforced
Nadal: 33 winners, 28 unforced

 

[krosero]

Thanks I was looking for those stats.

Here's two others, Federer's only two claycourt victories. He broke even in each one.

2007 Hamburg
Federer - 31 winners, 31 UE
Nadal - 20 winners, 34 UE

2009 Madrid
Federer - 25 winners, 25 UE
Nadal - 12 winners, 16 UE

 

[krosero]

PC1, I've been thinking of doing those stats you mentioned. It's not a category of stats Moose and I have done but I might take one of the Fed-Nadal matches, maybe one of their short ones, to get that stat. I wasn't just thinking of the return errors, I was wondering in general who wins the points depending on where the serves are directed. I'm sure that both players have good success when swinging their serves out wide to each other's backhands, but I'd be interested in getting the actual numbers -- or finding them somewhere.

 

[Moose Malloy]

2008 Monte Carlo
Fed: 23 winners, 44 unforced
Nadal: 15 winners, 20 unforced

 

[krosero]

How many of the free points were on the backhand and how many were on the forehand?

ABMK divided up return errors by wing in two of their matches. I can't recall right now any other place I've seen that done, including in all our stats on this board.

2006 Masters Cup: http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=294238

2007 Masters Cup: http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=293142

 

[rdis10093]

that was such a good match

 

[Moose Malloy]

Unreturned serve %
Fed - 17%(31/180)
Nadal - 20(34/173)

Don't think I've ever seen such small number of S&V attempts (4) relative to such a high number of net points by Fed(74). But understandable that something like this would happen on clay.

 

[Waspsting]

Unreturned serve %
Fed - 18%(31/173)
Nadal - 19%(34/180)

think you've reversed the total serve counts... Nadal served 173 times and Federer 180