Tshooter
G.O.A.T.
Ditto Eggvax. LMAO
Stefanos Tsitsipas has the potential to be a BETTER player than Roger Federer
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Ditto Eggvax. LMAO
PrinceMoron
Legend
The only thing he could do better is retire earler
Rafa4LifeEver
G.O.A.T.
No
Tsits is highly overrated.
Return games won HC 2020: 18.5%
Return games won HC 2019: 17.0%
Federer career HC: 27.2%
Djoko career HC: 32.0%
Roddick career HC: 20.8%
Berdych career HC: 24.1%
Raonic HC 2016: 19.6%
This is how bad Tsits return is. These stats dont lie. His return stats are weaker than pure serve bots, and his win% on serve is far from good enough to compensate.
Return games won HC 2020: 18.5%
Return games won HC 2019: 17.0%
Federer career HC: 27.2%
Djoko career HC: 32.0%
Roddick career HC: 20.8%
Berdych career HC: 24.1%
Raonic HC 2016: 19.6%
This is how bad Tsits return is. These stats dont lie. His return stats are weaker than pure serve bots, and his win% on serve is far from good enough to compensate.
oldmanfan
Legend
Ok. Sure thing.
But first:
Fedr has 20 slams, 310 weeks #1, 25+ masters, 6 WTFs.
Even in this weak era of tennis, get back to us after Tsits wins 15 slams, 200 weeks #1, 15 masters, 4 WTFs. That's .66-.75 of what Fedr had won, but you'll have somewhat of a case then, though still a reach. Tsits won 1 WTF, so he's on the board
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Your proclamations are a bit early, even though this Gen is pretty weak. If you don't think so, how come these up and coming superstars that are younger, faster, and stronger are still being beaten regularly by the Big3?
But first:
Fedr has 20 slams, 310 weeks #1, 25+ masters, 6 WTFs.
Even in this weak era of tennis, get back to us after Tsits wins 15 slams, 200 weeks #1, 15 masters, 4 WTFs. That's .66-.75 of what Fedr had won, but you'll have somewhat of a case then, though still a reach. Tsits won 1 WTF, so he's on the board
.Your proclamations are a bit early, even though this Gen is pretty weak. If you don't think so, how come these up and coming superstars that are younger, faster, and stronger are still being beaten regularly by the Big3?
I’m cracking up, what an opinion lol
Novichok
Professional
Unfortunately, there is no cure for trollitis.
InsideOut900
Legend
Holy fk
NatF
Bionic Poster
That's career as well. You should look at their best years as well for added vinegar on the wound lol.
ForehandCross
G.O.A.T.
You won't see tennis analyst make a post until next time Federer loses. And by then this thread will be buried by new ones. SAD.
Well, he has never been 2 sets up on Djokovic at a Slam final. But as I recall, vaguely, he has been there, 10 years ago at a Slam semi.
Maybe Tsisipas has a motivation problem at the Slams, when he's not facing the Big 2. He was tremendous in the past 3 Slams playing against Djokovic and Nadal.
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
Uso 07 Fed straight setted Djoker.
I realized my mistake as soon as I finished typing: '07 AO and USO, '09 USO.
TearTheRoofOff
G.O.A.T.
Like fine wine.
Wiggedbaldy
Rookie
It's ok he's only 24 he still got time .
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Omega_7000
Legend
It's ok he's only 24 he still got time
LMAO
Omega_7000
Legend
Looking beyond the records...
Topspin Backhand: Federer
Slice Backhand: Federer
Serve: Federer
Movement: Federer
Forehand: Federer
Overhead: Federer
Volley: Federer
DropShot: Federer
Return of Serve: Federer
Which aspect of Tsitsipas' game is superior to Federer's?
Topspin Backhand: Federer
Slice Backhand: Federer
Serve: Federer
Movement: Federer
Forehand: Federer
Overhead: Federer
Volley: Federer
DropShot: Federer
Return of Serve: Federer
Which aspect of Tsitsipas' game is superior to Federer's?
Ronaldo
Bionic Poster
His Will To Win!!!
…
Tsi is the weaker player in literally every department compared to Federer. Worse movement. Worse serve. Worse forehand. Worse backhand. Worse volleys. Worse overhead. Worse return. Worse slice. Worse at changing pace. Worse at generating speed. Worse touch. Worse gameplan. Worse at taking the ball early. Worst drop shots. Worse stamina. Worse at problem solving. Worse mental strength. Worse attitude. Worse era. Worst fashion, worse hair, worse wife, worse net worth, worse marketing, worse parents, worse life.
Possibly one of the worst takes I’ve ever seen.
Tsi is the weaker player in literally every department compared to Federer. Worse movement. Worse serve. Worse forehand. Worse backhand. Worse volleys. Worse overhead. Worse return. Worse slice. Worse at changing pace. Worse at generating speed. Worse touch. Worse gameplan. Worse at taking the ball early. Worst drop shots. Worse stamina. Worse at problem solving. Worse mental strength. Worse attitude. Worse era. Worst fashion, worse hair, worse wife, worse net worth, worse marketing, worse parents, worse life.
Possibly one of the worst takes I’ve ever seen.
Sampras-Bruguera 1993
Legend
I'm not much of a Federer fan but even I can't stand for that. LOL
ImmorTAL Big 3
Semi-Pro
Well that escalated
.By the way didn't know Tsitsipas have GF.
The Fedfather
Legend
He already is. 24 is just the new 14. The boy is only at the beginning of his tennis career.
Service Ace
Hall of Fame
Ban OP
Oh the things people say. Tsitsipas has none of Federer superpowers. He doesn’t take time off the opponent like Roger, he doesn’t spot serve like Roger, he doesn’t move like Roger, he doesn’t slice like Roger, his skills at the net don’t belong in Roger’s conversation, and he has a big mouth and an obvious lack of discipline, unlike Roger. Tsitsipas is an excellent player, no doubt. But he has a long and treacherous journey ahead of him. At this point there isn’t enough information. He has clearly improved though.
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TheFifthSet
Legend
It’s rare for one player to lag behind another in practically every conceivably aspect of tennis. Even a player like Tsitsi is better than Nadal and Djoko at certain things (first serve v both), Zverev has a stronger 1st than both of them and a stronger rally bh than Fed, Medvedev does a few things better than all of TB3 (first serve is better than Novak and Rafa’s, bh drive is better than Fed’s) etc. Across-the-board superiority is just not something you see very often, almost no matter the overall gap between the players (amongst Top 10-20’ers at least).
But Tsitsipas/Fed is an exception. Tsitsi literally does nothing better than Fed. First serve, second serve, first serve return/second serve return (off both wings), forehand DTL, forehand i/o, forehand c/c, running forehand, forehand pass, BH DTL/CC/on the run/off the pass, slice, defence/retrieving, overall movement (whether lateral or forward) net game, shot tolerance, overhead, lob, drop shots, offensive movement/footwork, stamina, mentality…really everything except for first serve top-end speed, big whoop.
OP might be the worst unironic tennis take I’ve ever read.
But Tsitsipas/Fed is an exception. Tsitsi literally does nothing better than Fed. First serve, second serve, first serve return/second serve return (off both wings), forehand DTL, forehand i/o, forehand c/c, running forehand, forehand pass, BH DTL/CC/on the run/off the pass, slice, defence/retrieving, overall movement (whether lateral or forward) net game, shot tolerance, overhead, lob, drop shots, offensive movement/footwork, stamina, mentality…really everything except for first serve top-end speed, big whoop.
OP might be the worst unironic tennis take I’ve ever read.
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socallefty
G.O.A.T.
OP should not be allowed to use the name Tennis Analyst after this travesty of a thread.
80s New Wave
Semi-Pro
Tsitsipas is better at bathroom breaks, fighting with his coaches box and posting on social media.
Djokodalerer31
Hall of Fame
Yes! Just 5 more years and he will finally break through and wins his first major...at very most 6 more years guys! We just have to be a little more patient is all!
H
Herald
Guest
You're going to feel very silly if he wins Rolland Garros
Rafa4LifeEver
G.O.A.T.
Bruh
Sputnik Bulgorov
Professional
He had a great draw at RG last year, but got crushed by Rune. Tsitsipas is beatable by many players. If he doesn’t make his move soon, he may find himself surpassed by Alcaraz, Sinner and Rune.
Djokodalerer31
Hall of Fame
Forget younger gen, i wouldn't be even surprised if he someone like Thiem or Zverev beat him to the title one day at the French Open! LOL
OP's annual appraisal to senior analyst is no more in question. Heck, even the title of analyst that he was holding is now in doubt. lol
DIMI_D
Hall of Fame
A couple of slams for tsitsi will be a fantastic career for him that window where he should of broken through and dominated passed a while ago if he kept progressing his game from 2019 onwards different story.. He is already 24 so even breaking through for a slam will be a big deal he will be lucky to get a couple of slams he is sandwiched between older greats big 3 which were now djokdal and these potential future ATGs like Alcaraz and rune and other up-comers if he can get 1-2 slams and world number 1 that will prob be the upper limits. It’s absolutely laughable to think he would come anywhere close to what Fed achieved. In order to have a chance at that u need to break through in your very early 20’s max winning slams and dominating like big 3, Sampras, Borg and now Alcaraz - where u can see 10 plus slams and that possibility of him doing something like the other guys mentioned.. If you look at history the guys that rack up heaps of slams etc win there first by 21 and are dominating the sport from 23-28 etc
Ronaldo
Bionic Poster
If? No When?
Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
I thought this was a Spencer Gore thread. I feel deceived.There I said it. I watched Federer since the beginning and I’ve been watching Tsitsipas for the last 4-5 years and I can tell you the Greek has a higher ceiling than the Swiss. He's a very special talent. For starters, I think Tsitsipas is a better baseliner and mentally stronger when compared to Federer. Yes I’m aware of what happened in USO 2020 so don’t bother mentioning it, cause it happens, and I’ve seen enough of Tsitsipas to know he’s one tough motherf*cker. Even Federer himself admitted the guy is tough as nails after struggling against him and losing the two biggest encounters between them.
I have no doubt he’ll achieve great things in the future; however, I don’t think he’ll have the same success Federer had. Tsitsipas’s generation is way more talented than Federer’s generation so unfortunately for him, he won’t have Federer’s luxury as the competition will be fierce. Roddick, Hewitt and Baghadatis are really nothing compared to Medveved, Sinner, Zverev and Thiem. Besides, Tsitsipas seems like a guy who has other interests in life than to keep hitting a ball until he’s 45 years old like Federer. Anyways, that’s not the point.
The point is I believe The Greek God has what it takes to take Federer’s game to the next level. He'll be performing and playing tennis at a higher level. That he’ll do should he put in the effort. His backhand and RoS still leave a lot to be desired and not at Fed’s level yet but he’ll get there. Federer kept improving even in his 30s so Stefanos has a lot of time ahead of him to improve.
One more thing, I’m not sure of this but I can see him becoming even a more popular player than Federer in the future. Two reasons, he’s better looking and more active in the social media, all what’s left is success which is coming his way soon!
#Your heard it here first.
Bump it in a few years.
Cheers.
Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
Provided the fine wine was aging uncorked.
Ronaldo
Bionic Poster
Wassa cork?
Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
A snobbery, never mind.Wassa cork?
Sputnik Bulgorov
Professional
I like Thiem and think he was the best of the bunch, but he’s just not the same player. With Zverev’s and Thiem’s comeback from injury, I think Tsitsipas will have the edge over them moving forward. His main threat as Djokovic ages will be Alcaraz and Rune, both of whom he’s never beaten in 5 total matches. Not a good sign when he’s supposed to have the physicality and maturity advantage at this point. He’s had Sinner figured out at present, but I have a feeling there will be a turnaround in the second half of the year.
Ronaldo
Bionic Poster
Put a cork in it
socallefty
G.O.A.T.
I guess no one else is winning any Slams unless Djokovic approves it and allows them - Nadal at the FO is the only exception.
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