Stefanos Tsitsipas will never win a grand slam.

egrorian

Rookie
If Djokovic and Nadal stop winning Slams relatively soon (as seems likely), then Tsitsipas, along with Medvedev and Zverev is likely to do so. I don't see any of the Next Gen guys dominating so there will probably be a bit of a lull post The Big Three, similar to the brief period between Sampras and Federer when Hewitt, Safin, Ferrero and Roddick jostled for the major titles. I still think Hewitt doesn't get the credit he deserves though and he was the best of that quartet by a distance.
 

top10

Rookie
For a guy who has an all-court game, I'm really surprised how "deer in the headlights" he is on the grass courts. The fluidity and aggressiveness in his game just seems to disappear once he's on the green stuff.
It is not the grass courts only. Stef is still mentally drained by his RG final loss. Hopefully he gets some rest and good coaching to come back stronger for the hard court season.
 

Waves

Rookie
Re. the op, disagree. ST will share grand slams with other players of his age…when Novak gets bored and moves on to something else. Till then Stephanos can just take a seat next to all his peers, on the bench beneath ND’s throne. Like Djokovic said, he himself is the next gen. Haha!
 

zvelf

Hall of Fame
Just watched the highlights of the wimbledon 1st Round hammering to ...Tiafoe!
cmon , tsitsipas will never win a grand slam, and likely his sole GS final was the french open loss to Djokovic. I dont think he'll make another grand slam final.
The average TTW poster's predictions are about as accurate as someone throwing darts while blindfolded. Basing a prediction about Tsitsipas' entire career on the highlights of one match is indicative of what goes into these predictions.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
What do you mean, can't push Djokodal beyond their limits? And what is this arbitrary 11 months window you make do with? Rafa lost AO '20 to Thiem, AO '21 to Tsits. Novak lost '19 RG to Thiem, had a very tough RR loss in YEC in both '19 and '20 to Thiem. You aren't satisfied with tight competition or some losses, you want these two - and from your posts, it seems more so Novak- to lose time after time after time to the younger guys. Why? Just because you are rooting against them, they need to lose a ton?
They aren't even losing, let alone a ton.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
The fact is one thing you can’t deny is nadal and Djokovic have always had each other. They are virtually the same age. Just 11 months difference. Therefore on that basis alone they had it tougher than Fed.
Nope. Djokodal having each other hasn't been enough as they've only played 2 strong slam matches in the last 7 years.

Have you missed the amount of beatdowns the rest of their matches have been?
 

Djokovic_is_the_best#1

Talk Tennis Guru
Nope. Djokodal having each other hasn't been enough as they've only played 2 strong slam matches in the last 7 years.

Have you missed the amount of beatdowns the rest of their matches have been?
True I understand that point. They have dominated usually on their best surfaces. Therefore the rivalry has not been as intense like say 7-8 years ago. I was comparing it in terms of age.

Anyway my general conclusion is it’s pointless comparing the eras and nitpicking over little details. They have all benefitted at different points in time. It can be a purely subjective point on who we think out the big 3 had it most difficult.

At the end of the day the record books for each of them will decide it.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
I don’t agree about safin or Roddick. They were very good players but in my opinion not all time greats. They may have did well in the head to head over Novak but they didn’t win enough in my opinion to deserve an ATG status.

I can respect your opinion though. Roddick to be fair should have won a Wimbledon title. He was great on grass. Fed was too good for him to be fair. Although in 2009 and even 2004 Wimbledon finals showed Andy was a serial choker under pressure and not ATG material.

I agree though Feds early era wasn’t completely weak. It’s just in my opinion it’s hardly any different to what we have today in my view. That’s the argument I was making.

My reasonable conclusion is that both Federer and Djokovic have benefitted at different parts of their careers. Overall though it all balances out and the guy who has the greater number of major records will be rightly viewed the best in end.
Fed's era was better than tofay though. A 23-26 year old dominating is more normal than a 30's dude doing it.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
True I understand that point. They have dominated usually on their best surfaces. Therefore the rivalry has not been as intense like say 7-8 years ago. I was comparing it in terms of age.

Anyway my general conclusion is it’s pointless comparing the eras and nitpicking over little details. They have all benefitted at different points in time. It can be a purely subjective point on who we think out the big 3 had it most difficult.

At the end of the day the record books for each of them will decide it.
But that's not what you said. Now you're backtracking.
 

Djokovic_is_the_best#1

Talk Tennis Guru
Fed's era was better than tofay though. A 23-26 year old dominating is more normal than a 30's dude doing it.
Well maybe you have a point. Maybe it might edge it. Even still will people really remember this or who everyone was playing at different points?

At the end of the day it’s the records that matter. Federer, nadal or Djokovic have no control on who they play at different parts of their careers or who they get in the draw.

Every player lives in the present moment and just makes the most of their opportunities at that given point in time.

Even if you make a valid point, Djokovic still had it very tough at beginning having to overcome Fedal who were proven slam winners on all surfaces and the established world no1 and 2. Then after that he had peak Murray and wawrinka that was no picnic for him.

I agree right now it’s weak eta no doubt about it. Still though you can’t blame Djokovic for it or lessen his achievements at all. The same for Fed in his early career.
 

Djokovic_is_the_best#1

Talk Tennis Guru
But that's not what you said. Now you're backtracking.
I’m not. As I have never argued this current era is weak. I have admitted that many times. What I pointed out though was Fed had a period where his early era was weak too.

I’m just pointing out it’s not only Djokovic who has benefitted from the weak era. Fed did in his early career and let’s be honest Nadal has on clay too. Yes he’s a god on clay but he’s been so far ahead on that surface you could say the clay era was weak.

Albeit Djokovic and Federer were very good clay courters they still weren’t a specialist on it like Rafa. Then there was no one else who could challenge Rafa at RG or usually clay in general.

They have all benefitted from it. Rafa has also had some very lucky us open draws he’s capitalised on. Again not taking anything away from him but things have aligned for him well there.

The same for Djokovic and federer in some slams. Basically they have all benefited from weaker competition, weaker draws, main rival being injured at some point. Although because they are all ATG’s and special players they have also won so much due to their all court games, amazing mental strength and ability to keep reinventing themselves.

It’s more the fact people are conveniently forgetting earlier eras because we are living in this one. Due to this era being weak now which I don’t deny. That doesn’t mean we should forget eras in the past where tennis was weaker too. Some people have short term memories or selective memories on what they want to remember to suit their agenda.
 
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lordlosh

Semi-Pro
I stopped reading at the moment he said Tsitsipas choked at RG. This clearly state this guy is lacking knowledge of tennis. And the disrespect to Djoko is huge with that statement.
 

Ivan Lendl

New User
I see him win two, three slams. He has solid game and will probably improve serve and ROS in the future. Nadal and Djoker will be weaker with every passing year and Tsitsipas will fight for titles with his peers, and they are not formidable tennis force. I doubt he'll win Wimby, but RG, maybe AO - sure.
 

NoleIsBoat

Hall of Fame
you have 1 on one side of comparison
and you have ZERO on another side of comparison

if you compare 1 to 1, then you have 100% more to overcome
if you compare 1 to zero, then you have an infinite more difficulty to overcome

1 > ZERO that's a fact pal
Djokovic had experienced mid 30s Nadal on clay too.
He also had 2019 Nadal in AO F (one of best HC versions of Nadal statistically ever)
2018 W SF Nadal - one of best versions on grass
2019 W F Federer - one of best finals he played there with 94 winners and dominating most of the stats except tiebreaks.

If you think the above is 0 competition, I suggest you watch more tennis.
 

NoleIsBoat

Hall of Fame
who is challenging them?
can you please post the entire list of players that challenge:
Novak on grass
Novak on HC
Rafa on clay
Novak on grass - Nadal in 2018, Federer in 2019. 2021 tournament ongoing.
Novak on HCs - Nadal in 2019 (one of his best runs pre final, Novak too good) Thiem in 2020 (reached 5th set). Medvedev in 2021 (pre final 50/50 with bookies and TTW users)….
Rafa on clay - Djokovic (just won at RG), Thiem, Tsitsipas, Zverev over BO3

Now tell me, who challenged Federer on grass or HC between 04-07 where he hoovered up 11 freebie slams :whistle:
 

vex

Legend
Just watched the highlights of the wimbledon 1st Round hammering to ...Tiafoe!
cmon , tsitsipas will never win a grand slam, and likely his sole GS final was the french open loss to Djokovic. I dont think he'll make another grand slam final.
Have you seen this dude play beyond 1 match. He’ll probably win at least 3 slams if not more
 
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vex

Legend
He probably shall be one day, but he, like the rest of the youngsters, shall only be facing each other - and shall therefore inevitably triumph when one of them chokes a bit less than their opponent (see 2020 USO final).

Let's not pretend that he and his ilk are currently providing the loathsome Novak Djokovic with any true competition.
Please, Tsits is as good as anyone Fed faced aside from Djoker/Rafa. Just because he had a bad match on grass doesn’t change his game.
He’s very skilled
 

Jai

Professional
Have you seen this dude play beyond 1 match. He’ll probably win at least 3 slams if not more
I agree, the immense slamming is way overdone. He is a future slam winner, one could legit see him winning RG '23, perhaps even next year, who knows? And a few hc slams in the future as well. Grass IS going to be challenge until he improves his ROS and backhand slice. But this trashing is way overdone, probably a lot of it is coming from a few who fervently wished he would defeat Novak in the semis this Wimbledon, and are just gutted that possibility is now removed. :)
 
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Midaso240

Hall of Fame
I'd be surprised if he didn't win a few. Medvedev/Zverev I'm not so sure about, the game is getting taller sure but I think they're still outside the optimum size for multiple slam winning tennis.
 

dking68

Professional
This is actually looking more and more true. Alcaraz at 19 is already better than him and is probably below Sinner, who is actually more likely to win a slam over Tsitsipas
 

30T2

Rookie
Getting on this train too. The moment we knew was the FO final loss against djokovic. I like his game, but he is a mentally weak instagramanus.
 

EllieK

Hall of Fame
Totally agree with you. He’s going out regularly to players he should beat and he has not progressed. He is stagnant at this point, and definitely not improving or going forward.
 

ChrisRF

Legend
Totally agree with you. He’s going out regularly to players he should beat and he has not progressed. He is stagnant at this point, and definitely not improving or going forward.
He has the same problem as Zverev: Even the early rounds at Slams are always too close to 50/50, so that it's just not likely to come through 7 matches in a row.
 

jl809

Hall of Fame
He may never get a better shot than RG 21, and just like Meddy half a year later, he got outlasted physically by a guy in his mid 30s

If Chazlitos, FAA, Rune, Musetti etc all keep improving, and Zverev stays free of injury, it will be super tough for him to win a slam. But he will compete in so many before he retires that statistically he’ll probably win 1 at least
 

dking68

Professional
He may never get a better shot than RG 21, and just like Meddy half a year later, he got outlasted physically by a guy in his mid 30s

If Chazlitos, FAA, Rune, Musetti etc all keep improving, and Zverev stays free of injury, it will be super tough for him to win a slam. But he will compete in so many before he retires that statistically he’ll probably win 1 at least
Nah he won’t win any. Not with those horrible backhands and returns
 

ChrisJR3264

Semi-Pro
His time has passed. The growth of FAA (hoping he is putting it together) Carlos and sinner - if Novak sticks around another 3 years at the same level with Medvdev and possibly ruud - Titsipas is going to drop. His subpar performances in slams lately are a sign he doesn’t have the game to win tourneys against the best when they’re healthy.
 

roysid

Hall of Fame
I agree with OP. Tispys game is already declining. And he can lose to 10 different players now..when he gets into form even then he can be taken out by top players.
So yes..he is unlikely to win one
 

Djokodalerer31

Hall of Fame
There was a time (not so long ago mind you!) when i would think, that claim like this is absolutely bogus, but now as i see the likes of Auger-Aliassime, Sinner and Alcaraz rapidly rising and taking over the fake ones - Medvedev, Zverev and Tsitsipas i begin to really understand the new order, that is forming on the horizon...I don't think that anyone between Medvedev, Zverev and Tsitsipas will win any of grand slams anymore...maybe Medvedev maybe...if he is lucky enough, but Zverev and Tsitsipas - definitely not!...
 

big ted

Legend
There was a time (not so long ago mind you!) when i would think, that claim like this is absolutely bogus, but now as i see the likes of Auger-Aliassime, Sinner and Alcaraz rapidly rising and taking over the fake ones - Medvedev, Zverev and Tsitsipas i begin to really understand the new order, that is forming on the horizon...I don't think that anyone between Medvedev, Zverev and Tsitsipas will win any of grand slams anymore...maybe Medvedev maybe...if he is lucky enough, but Zverev and Tsitsipas - definitely not!...
i think medvedevs the real deal, hes mentally tougher than most of the others.. zverev, tsitsipas, auger, rublev, seem too erratic tho to win GS's
 

Robert C

Rookie
There was a time (not so long ago mind you!) when i would think, that claim like this is absolutely bogus, but now as i see the likes of Auger-Aliassime, Sinner and Alcaraz rapidly rising and taking over the fake ones - Medvedev, Zverev and Tsitsipas i begin to really understand the new order, that is forming on the horizon...I don't think that anyone between Medvedev, Zverev and Tsitsipas will win any of grand slams anymore...maybe Medvedev maybe...if he is lucky enough, but Zverev and Tsitsipas - definitely not!...
Ridiculous comment re Zverev given his play against Nadal in the French - Zverev's improvement had been incredible and he was so unlucky to get that injury.

Also makes no sense to be saying Medvedev can't win a slam now. He can beat Djokovic to a slam but obviously he can never win a single one again, crazy!

Use you head, not mindless feelings.
 

Krish0608

Legend
i think medvedevs the real deal, hes mentally tougher than most of the others.. zverev, tsitsipas, auger, rublev, seem too erratic tho to win GS's
Real deal? He's 27 next year and soon won't be able to keep with Alcaraz, FAA and Rune. He's the worst world no.1 in recent times. His base level is pretty high and consistent so he's able to beat most of the tour. But he always flops against the elite talents when they step up against him.
 

socallefty

Legend
Tsitsipas could win the French Open still as his weaknesses are masked on slow surfaces where he has more time and the higher bounce contact point that he likes better for his BH. He has made it to the semi and final of Roland Garros after all.
 

DIMI_D

Hall of Fame
He has been surpassed by Alcaraz ( from the get go), FAA, Rune, Sinner, it’s a big list now although sinner is usually an ok match up for him. He hasn’t progressed and stagnated and declined he needs a new coach with less influence from his father. He is a big big talent it’s a shame he has a all round game but never addressed some of his weaknesses like ROS and the slice is still average but improved under Phillipousis but it looks like he is gone now. His Dad is just overbearing and maybe just to hard on him and a confidence drain.
 

DIMI_D

Hall of Fame
Nadal, Novak, Med, Alcaraz are tier 1

tier 2 -FAA*, Sinner*, Rune, Zverev, Tsits, kyrigios, few others
The stars are who I see as slam champions soon or potential winners
 
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