Discussion in 'Pros' Racquets and Gear' started by Chauvalito, Jan 5, 2009.
Bosworth is a genius. period!
Now his racquet looks as weird as he does...
I think the usual head shape designs leave the upper part of the hoop dead. Maybe this shape will help.
I remember the year Gilbert switched to the Bosworth 210 he had been using the Gotfried Auto. (wood racket) till then. Gilbert won the prize for serving the most aces at the Memphis Indoor. the prize was an oriental rug very nice one actually. Gilbert never known for a big serve cleaned up in the ace dept. in that tournament.
The Bosworth racquets never broke; they are some of the strongest frames ever. Contractual agreement$ led Rafter back to Prince, who after playing 8 (eight) ATP tour tournaments with a 10 sided Bosworth, went back to Prince.
I used to think back in the 80s when Fox made these types of racquets that they were cool looking. I think it's hideous now! Yuck!
Stepanek is playing quite well against Gasquet with his new racket.
I find it amazing that he can switch during the off season and get deep into one of his first tournaments of the year, while the Joker loses in the first round with his new racket.
I would argue that Stepanek's switch was much more drastic.
So whats the difference between the two players, both having change rackets but with only one being successful?
Don't knock Success
Bosworth has made quite a bit of money designing racquets for several major companies.
Even TW a couple of years ago brought out a whole set of different Bosworth classic racquets to peddle to us at premium prices.
If you ever played with one of his raqcuets, you would probably have more respect for him. I have played with four or five different versions (none of the octagon versions) of Bozzes including two different ones made by FOX.
All of them played quite well.
Maybe the switch was not more drastic - he got it customised to exactly where he wants it.
As for Djoko - I don't think the stick really affected his game, he is just seeking something to blame for his loss.
Stepanek finds it easy to change remember at the masters cup he borrowed Jokers.
You are quite right about the customization. I should have been more clear, in that I was referring to the change in frame design, head shape, possibly flex and string pattern etc for Stepanek.
Whereas Djokovic's change is more straight forward. I don't know that for sure, the rackets could be completely different (Djokovic).
I don't think we will ever know 100%. In principle you are right, the Djoko move is more of a "small step". Personally I think it is probably really, really close to his 2008 stick, his "complaints" are just sour grapes and looking for excuses.
i have a friend who won 6.0 houston ult tennis league and he can play with any racquet. once i was at the tennis center and they had about 30 vintage rackets lined up side by side on the wall, he said I can beat you with any of those.
my best friend was working at the tennis center so he didn't mind when i snagged the wilson t2000 and said, here bi@@@, try'n beat me w/this, lol
sure enough he beat me like 6-2. but in some ways wooden racquets play better than modern racquets.
I beat my 4.5 friend in 3 straight tiebreakers using a pancho gonzalez woodie and he was using his flexpoint prestige
Love the old Bosworth Fox 210 racquet that guys like Brad Gilbert used. This is an updated personalized version. The head looks a bit odd but plays very solidly and well.
Congratulations to Radek. he has won Brisbane using his new stick.
Congratulation to Bosworth as well...they should put the results up on their website.
Too bad this stick will not be mass produced but it's hard to compete unless you are one of the few tennis giants with a mass share of the market.
I really did enjoy the way mine played.
The Worm gets the girl and the trophy! Radek rocks.
i was thinking the same thing. I emailed bosworth directly asking a question and got no reply. btw, they're based in Boca Raton Fl which i found interesting since a bunch of tennis pros live there like vince spadea etc...
Another angle showing Radek Štěpáneks lead tape placement
He actually looks normal in that picture... Given he's... "smiling".
I was about to say the same.... Noticed he does look much better with this post.
I think this is Radek's killer smile that attracted Hingis and Nicole V.
It looks like the sweetspot is located very high in the hoop by Bosworth.
WOWWWW!!!! I just got an email response from bosworth with my inquiry on Stepaneks' Racquet
Sorry for the delay in responding to your inquiry. As you mentioned, Radek Stepanek has indeed switched to our Bosworth Tour 96 racquet. We have been working with Radek for the past four years, helping him determine the optimal specs for his racquets. Once he had the opportunity to play on one of our own racquets he felt it was the best racquet he has ever played with. His results at the start of the 2009 season show that the transition has been a successful one!
Radek plays with quite a unique handle. His racquet has a handle that is quite wide (as opposed to the stock "Flat" shape on Volkl/Head racquets). We build a very large buttcap onto his handles, and build quite a lot of weight into the head of the racquet. The handle is gripped with a Bosworth leather grip, over which he is using an overwrap. Radek's racquet measures a standard length of 27 inches. The buttcap on Radek's racquet have his own "RS" logo in white on a blue background.
If you would like me to build you a racquet that is exactly the same as his I can do that. If you would prefer to get the same type of racquet but built to specs that would better suit your game I would be able to do that as well. I would need your contact and shipping information, and it would take about three days for the racquet to be built. Payment would be arranged over the telephone.
I hope you were able to watch the Final of the ATP Brisbane 2009 tournament yesterday. Radek worked very hard over the past 6 weeks and the hard work really paid off. We are very proud to be associated with him.
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Lee, that's a very nice mail, Jay looks like a cool guy.
Didn't know they build rackets for customers too, i thought only for pro's, strange...
Any idea about the price of such a racket?
^^^yeah, i think this is the only way to get a custom racquet the pros use unless u find some paintjobs on the bay. I sent an email asking if they could make me a replica of stepanek's racquet. how much do you think it would cost? over $200? i don't want to email them w/rates because i'm not really serious yet
i have a funny feeling that they sent that same email to a Lottt of people
I'm very sure it's more then 200$, it takes some skills to custom a racket like that, anyway keep us posted.
It´s interesting to see that Stepanek plays a racket that is constructed exactly how he likes it and still places lead on the frame.
If a K90 costs 200 bucks, and they are mass shipped from China by the thousands, how can you expect a custom racket that gets special attention from a true racket tech (not from some robotic factory worker), and is built to your specific desired specs to cost the same??
A K90 might cost you $200, but it costs Wilson nowhere near that mark to make it.
Which is EXACTLY my point. If Wilson and Head can make a racket with such low costs and sell it for 200 dollars how can somebody expect a Bosworth "custom made" with specific specs to cost the same?? It doesn't cost the same to make so it can not and should cost the same for the end consumer.
There's one on the big auction site for $85...
well, it is not so plain and simple...you should consider at first distribution costs, which are not paid by Bosworth that sells directly to the end customer, then Bosworth could also prefer to sell at competitive prices rather than gain big returns over a single frame.
anyway, it would be interesting to compare Bosworth and Vantage final prices, maybe for US costumers Bosworth could be not too expensive
just a side note...
Jay must be his son or brother? Further searches on the net, I found that Warren Bosworth is the Chairman of the company.
Jay is Warren's son.
i have dealt with both jay and warren both very nice to deal with and EXTREMELY kmowledgeable. from what i recall for $400 you could get a racquet made to your specs using their 96 sq in frame. for $2500 you could sppend time with them trying a myrad variations of weights balances and grips to come up with a truly customized racquet. their prices may have changed. vantage costs $221 your choices of frame sizes is greater as is choice of stiffness and string patterns there is also a difference in how the racquets are made to spec with bosworth frame very light and lead put in the hoop and handle. vantage the finishing touch for weight and balance is in the handle so the frame itself has more grafite and is more evenly dispersed as i understand it giving a lower swingweight for the same weight and balance.having played with both thier feels are different. like everything noone can say which is better chocolate or vanilla. its up to you to decide. bosworth is a class operation and you shouldnot be disappointed in the quality ,pride , and service they put into their work
I too have dealt with Warren Bosworth and second the view that he is good to deal with. I bought a Yonex RQ260 from the Bosworth Vintage collection on TW. I liked it so much that I wanted a second. The second racket that came from TW had been hacked around a bit in customisation so I got in touch with Bosworth direct to see if they could offer any advice on salvaging the second racket or whether they had any remaining stock of the 260s. They couldn't have been more helpful in trying to find me a racket match.
I also asked them about RD7s and again they couldn't have been more helpful in trying to find one. Ultimately, we couldn't agree on price, but I was really struck by how genuine the whole operation was. The telephone receptionist was so nice to deal with that it made me want to go to Boca Raton on holiday.
If you talk to Warren Bosworth you discover that he has had a very varied career and many interests. He hasn't just been a remarkable and innovative racket and string pioneer. From my dealings with the Bosworth business I feel confident that if they made you a racket they would put a lot of effort into getting it right for you, whether you play for money on TV or in your local park on Sunday.
Thanks for posting this.
That is quite cool that Bosworth responded in the manner that they did. I had no idea that they had been Stepanek's racket preparer prior to his switch.
Thanks for posting Leelord.
OK boys. i talked with Bosworth and you can get the racket exactly like Stepanek is using for only $385. and you get $40 discount if you buy several frames.
You can also have this same racket Custom made to any spec you wish. starting at static weight of 10.5 oz. and make any SW you wish.
Hey the Buckteeth is gone ????????
Yep, real cool. Try getting Wilson to answer like that.....
Bosworth's are not original designs
Bosworth remakes old designs. They may have designed them in the first place but a "Bosworth" racquet is like a re-issue. Old school tech is still totally viable on the tour. Fed basically playing with a Pro-Staff 85, DelPo with a PS 95.
Stepanek is definitely a candidate for that accurate volleying Fox. Gilbert was all about that style of play as well.
One more thing... it's not Stepanek's teeth that are so "interesting"... it's his LIPS :shock: <basically his entire jaw>
I have a similar story. I found a mint condition Manuel Orantes slazenger woodie at a street thrift shop in the village and the person sold it to me for $5. They couldn't believe it was a tennis racket when I told them it was. They thought it was a squash racket. Then my friend saw it and he's like there is no way you can play tennis with that and he told me he could beat me easily if I used it. So I used it and beat him 6-1 6-0. The power on the racket was extremely low but it has some nice attributes.
(Neo) Classic vs Modern
that's a cool story. I've always wondered how bad Rog would beat me with a wooden frame. Lol
It brings up another matter... in regards to champions of yesterday vs today's top players. I have no doubt that Mac, Connors, Becker, Lendl etc. would be right at home in modern tennis with their strokes intact. After all if Stepanek can win with an 80's racquet essentially, are you telling me McEnroe wouldn't be a MAJOR FACTOR in the semi's of slams? Connors, any of them, even as far back as Laver. Their games were highly efficient and with just a few weeks I'm sure could get used to the extra spin of the modern game.
Also, if any of you out there are teaching kids. If they whip their racquet around too much (junior racquet or otherwise), just put one of those classics in their hand. Tell them you just want them to try it. All the kids I've done this with do it just for kicks, but then an amazing thing happens!! They stroke correctly! I use an old metal Yonex for this. I think Rosewall used it. Weighs two pounds. What a difference it has made for some of these kids. Try it if you haven't already. It's hilarious.
Rosewall used a SEAMCO when he first went to a metal frame. He actually used it for a longer period of time than Laver who painted his Dunlop Forts Gold to mimic the Chemold Aluminum frame he tried to use .
Here's a pic of my old tech...
What dampener is that in the racquet?
lol thx for sharing
That is a Bosworth O dampener, weighs a little less than 2 grams and is much thinner and more flexible than the Sampras one.
Looks like the electrical wiring grommet you buy at the hardware store for.25 cents. That's how we used to roll in the eighties. LMAO
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