Stop the nonsense please - the only ATP player in the last 40 years who came closer than Djokovic in the CYGS chase was Djokovic himself

Adman

Rookie
Djokovic 2021 stopped at 27/28. Djokovic 2016 stopped at 16/28. All the “comparisons” with other players in the last 40 years are pure nonsense and a monstrous travesty of reality.

Especially, comparing Djokovic’s achievements in the CYGS chase to Federer’s is like comparing the construction of a full house, where only the front door is missing to a house not even built at 50%.

Stop the nonsense now!
 

RaulRamirez

Legend
I get your main point. If you consider a CYGS to be superior to a NCYGS (I do), then Novak's 2021 came the closest by far to achieving it in the OE. (Since Laver did it in 1969).

It's hard to believe that the only other guys to win AO and RG to start the year were Wilander88 (18/28), Courier92 (16/28) and Djok16 (16/28).
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
I get your main point. If you consider a CYGS to be superior to a NCYGS (I do), then Novak's 2021 came the closest by far to achieving it in the OE. (Since Laver did it in 1969).

It's hard to believe that the only other guys to win AO and RG to start the year were Wilander88 (18/28), Courier92 (16/28) and Djok16 (16/28).
Couple of reasons for this, the attendence from the top players at the AO wasn't great until the late 80's. Plus the AO for many years in the 70's to early 80's was actually started in December, so it wasn't even the first slam of the year technically but the last. From 1982-1985 it actually started in November and finished in December, before skipping a year in 1986 and resuming in its now usual January slot from 1987.

The likes of Borg would have had a great shot at the AO-FO double if not for the above, also Lendl who was in one of his best years in 1986 would have had a good shot at winning the AO-FO double that year as well.
 

Sudacafan

Bionic Poster
I get your main point. If you consider a CYGS to be superior to a NCYGS (I do), then Novak's 2021 came the closest by far to achieving it in the OE. (Since Laver did it in 1969).

It's hard to believe that the only other guys to win AO and RG to start the year were Wilander88 (18/28), Courier92 (16/28) and Djok16 (16/28).
I just said this in other thread: CYGSwise, Borg has to be mentioned here when he scored 20/28 in 1978 and 1980, and 19/28 in 1979 in the years he won the Channel Slam when the AO was temporarily moved to December, being the last slam of the year. Had he won the USOs of those years, he would have gone to Australia to participate in the AO. In those years, the AO was not played by the top players.
 
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Madinolf

Rookie
Only to have won all Slams twice in the OE.
Only to have held all four Slams at the same time in the last 52 years.
Only to have gone 1 win away from the Grand Slam in the last 52 years
 

Hitman

G.O.A.T.
I just said this in other thread: CYGSwise, Borg has to be mentioned here when he scored 20/28 in 1978 and 1980, and 19/28 in 1979 in the years he won the Channel Slam where the AO was temporarily moved to December, being the last slam of the year. Had he won the USOs of those years, he would have gone to Australia to participate in the AO. In those years, the AO was not played by the top players.
Connors famously once said that if Borg had won the USO, he would make the trip to AO to stop him winning the CYGS.
 

RaulRamirez

Legend
Couple of reasons for this, the attendence from the top players at the AO wasn't great until the late 80's. Plus the AO for many years in the 70's to early 80's was actually started in December, so it wasn't even the first slam of the year technically but the last. From 1982-1985 it actually started in November and finished in December, before skipping a year in 1986 and resuming in its now usual January slot from 1987.

The likes of Borg would have had a great shot at the AO-FO double if not for the above, also Lendl who was in one of his best years in 1986 would have had a good shot at winning the AO-FO double that year as well.
Good point, but still: Perhaps, 35 years have seen the present set-up, and with close to full attendance at the AO, and the list of men who have won AO-RG is very small.
 

Fedforever

Hall of Fame
When someone actually does achieve it all this will be irrelevant which is a good reason to hope the person who does is currently about fifteen and not an embryo.
 

Aretium

Hall of Fame
If rafa and Roger had to face Medvedev in those attempts, how would it end?

In all seriousness these debates are just hypothetical
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
Good point, but still: Perhaps, 35 years have seen the present set-up, and with close to full attendance at the AO, and the list of men who have won AO-RG is very small.
I blame Nadal lol. Fed probably does it 3x without Rafa, Djokovic 4x. Andre and Pete not being elite clay players probably didn't help either.
 

MeatTornado

G.O.A.T.
Djokovic 2021 stopped at 27/28. Djokovic 2016 stopped at 16/28. All the “comparisons” with other players in the last 40 years are pure nonsense and a monstrous travesty of reality.

Especially, comparing Djokovic’s achievements in the CYGS chase to Federer’s is like comparing the construction of a full house, where only the front door is missing to a house not even built at 50%.

Stop the nonsense now!
How dare we discuss tennis hypotheticals on a tennis forum.

Shut down GPPD. Only match threads allowed now since they're the only reality.
 

hoodjem

G.O.A.T.
Connors famously once said that if Borg had won the USO, he would make the trip to AO to stop him winning the CYGS.
I wonder when Connors said this. After USO 1978 he was Borg's pigeon; before that it was pretty competitive.
 

RaulRamirez

Legend
I blame Nadal lol. Fed probably does it 3x without Rafa, Djokovic 4x. Andre and Pete not being elite clay players probably didn't help either.
And Nadal, in turn, can blame Roger and Novak, etc....
It is - even noting the various reasons - hard to believe that Courier and Wilander were the only other guys to do it in the last 34 (actually a little more) years. Of course, they were very good players, but in a world with Roger, Rafa, Lendl, Agassi (and Pete, though not a clay monster)...
 

GabeT

G.O.A.T.
Isn’t Novak the only player to have won 27 consecutive slam matches in a year? From memory but didn’t Laver have to win only 26 consecutive matches for his CYGS?
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Djokovic 2021 stopped at 27/28. Djokovic 2016 stopped at 16/28. All the “comparisons” with other players in the last 40 years are pure nonsense and a monstrous travesty of reality.

Especially, comparing Djokovic’s achievements in the CYGS chase to Federer’s is like comparing the construction of a full house, where only the front door is missing to a house not even built at 50%.

Stop the nonsense now!
Yeah, Djokovic 21 was closest. (a travesty tbh, but a fact nonetheless)
Also, Wilander 1988 stopped at 18/28. So closer than Djoko 16.
 
Djokovic 2021 stopped at 27/28. Djokovic 2016 stopped at 16/28. All the “comparisons” with other players in the last 40 years are pure nonsense and a monstrous travesty of reality.

Especially, comparing Djokovic’s achievements in the CYGS chase to Federer’s is like comparing the construction of a full house, where only the front door is missing to a house not even built at 50%.

Stop the nonsense now!
Or comparing a house with the front door missing to one with a door missing from one of the rooms off the landing.
 

topher

Hall of Fame
Couple of reasons for this, the attendence from the top players at the AO wasn't great until the late 80's. Plus the AO for many years in the 70's to early 80's was actually started in December, so it wasn't even the first slam of the year technically but the last. From 1982-1985 it actually started in November and finished in December, before skipping a year in 1986 and resuming in its now usual January slot from 1987.

The likes of Borg would have had a great shot at the AO-FO double if not for the above, also Lendl who was in one of his best years in 1986 would have had a good shot at winning the AO-FO double that year as well.
Also worth mentioning Connors was undefeated in slams in 1974, 20-0. He along with other players were banned from RG and he unsuccessfully tried to sue to play.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
Also worth mentioning Connors was undefeated in slams in 1974, 20-0. He along with other players were banned from RG and he unsuccessfully tried to sue to play.
I did think about Connors, but I wasn't confident he could beat Borg - though if he was going to that would be the year to do it.
 

topher

Hall of Fame
I did think about Connors, but I wasn't confident he could beat Borg - though if he was going to that would be the year to do it.
Yes that was Borg’s first RG at age 18, Connors also had a good H2H at that stage and beat him and RG finalist Orantes back to back on American clay that year I believe. Not the same as Euro clay, but I’d heard that tournament (Indy) had the slowest US clay and closest to red clay.

And Jimmy admits in his book even if he’d won RG he may not have still won Wimbledon and US afterwards. In the end if you don’t win the CYGS it’s just all ifs and buts.
 

Sudacafan

Bionic Poster
The current highest possible match count for a CYGS should be 31/31 matches.
Imagine a qualifier winning the AO, and then the other three slams.
Impossible to win more than one slam needing to play qualies, as the points awarded from the AO win would be enough to avoid them in the next slams.
Imagine Raducanu’s breakthrough to be in AO 22 instead of USO 21. Her CYGS scoreboard starts at 10/10.
 

Lleytonstation

G.O.A.T.
Djokovic 2021 stopped at 27/28. Djokovic 2016 stopped at 16/28. All the “comparisons” with other players in the last 40 years are pure nonsense and a monstrous travesty of reality.

Especially, comparing Djokovic’s achievements in the CYGS chase to Federer’s is like comparing the construction of a full house, where only the front door is missing to a house not even built at 50%.

Stop the nonsense now!
Yet it does not matter cause he didn't win it.
 

TripleATeam

G.O.A.T.
The current highest possible match count for a CYGS should be 31/31 matches.
Imagine a qualifier winning the AO, and then the other three slams.
Impossible to win more than one slam needing to play qualies, as the points awarded from the AO win would be enough to avoid them in the next slams.
Imagine Raducanu’s breakthrough to be in AO 22 instead of USO 21. Her CYGS scoreboard starts at 10/10.
Couldn't a player willingly take a WC into qualies and forgo their guaranteed spot?
 
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ChaelAZ

G.O.A.T.
Djokovic 2021 stopped at 27/28. Djokovic 2016 stopped at 16/28. All the “comparisons” with other players in the last 40 years are pure nonsense and a monstrous travesty of reality.

Especially, comparing Djokovic’s achievements in the CYGS chase to Federer’s is like comparing the construction of a full house, where only the front door is missing to a house not even built at 50%.

Stop the nonsense now!

Oh my gosh! You are soooo right! Congrats on the best almost man! Way to almost get something and choke it away though! So close! It was like building a whole house but missing the front door!
 

killerboss

Semi-Pro
Federer's got to all 4 finals numerous times, Nadal has won 3 slams on different surfaces, even Djokovic himself has accomplisehd similar achievements to what we've seen this year. Great year for Djokovic but it's nothing we haven't seen before. Nearly man isn't the same as THE calendar GS.
 

ttwreader

Semi-Pro
Federer's got to all 4 finals numerous times, Nadal has won 3 slams on different surfaces, even Djokovic himself has accomplisehd similar achievements to what we've seen this year. Great year for Djokovic but it's nothing we haven't seen before. Nearly man isn't the same as THE calendar GS.
Have you seen any player winning 27 consecutive major matches from the beginning of a year?
 

Strale

Semi-Pro
OP why do you take those claims seriously? Do you honestly believe that anyone who understands and follows tennis would actually claim such nonsense?

It is just trolling and emotional outburst of butthurt.
 

Sunny014

Legend
Nah the NCYGS is legit and definitely his most impressive achievement
Many buffoons have done CYGS (both genders combined) or at least come close to it.

But nobody has won 13 slams on 1 surface.

Nadal's achievement is higher than any CYGS type stuffs which people do all the time.
 

Sunny014

Legend
All you need is a weak phase in tennis to do CYGS.

Novak came close in 2021, Laver did it twice in 60s when all slams were played on similar surfaces, women's tennis do it all the time because of their rubbish field.

You need to get real @Kralingen, these terms like CYGS, NCYGS, DCS etc etc are just hyped terms created and sold by some folk.
 

Kralingen

Legend
All you need is a weak phase in tennis to do CYGS.

Novak came close in 2021, Laver did it twice in 60s when all slams were played on similar surfaces, women's tennis do it all the time because of their rubbish field.

You need to get real @Kralingen, these terms like CYGS, NCYGS, DCS etc etc are just hyped terms created and sold by some folk.
eh 4 slams in a row is still super impressive given that no one except for Laver had done it. I have a feeling if Federer did it you would never stop talking about it.

and when I say achievement I really mean only 1 season. Otherwise the most 'impressive' achievement would be the 20 slams, right?
 

Sunny014

Legend
eh 4 slams in a row is still super impressive given that no one except for Laver had done it. I have a feeling if Federer did it you would never stop talking about it.

and when I say achievement I really mean only 1 season. Otherwise the most 'impressive' achievement would be the 20 slams, right?
Even if Federer did it I would never have talked about it, it would be silly to talk of 1 season only, at least a 4-5 years peak is needed to be talked about.

I don't hype people winning 4 or 5 slams in a row, all that is done in weak eras, thats why women have the most NCYGS done while among men between Laver and Novak's 2015 nobody held all 4 slams together because field was always tough, even in Fed's peak the existence of peak Nadal ensured the field was tough, but 2014 onwards after Nadal went down and Federer reached 34 yrs of age the field became club class in the absence of next gen

That why someone like claydal has been rank 1 with a gap of 12 years apart, this is common sense dude. If a guy who cannot dominate the field year round can be YE1 12 years apart while guys like Fed/Sampras/Lendl/Connors all had 5-6 years apart with the 1st YE1 nd last, then what does it tell you ???? .... duh!!!|

Thats why I dont regard CYGS as worth being discussed, it is a blueprint of weak era when someone hits CYGS or NCYGS
 

Sunny014

Legend
Nothing in Tennis is more impressive than winning 13 french opens in 16 years

CYGS is NOTHING compared to Nadal's ultimate feat of athleticism

Even winning 20 slams is inferior to winning 13 FOs in 16 years, that achievement alone should make Nadal the GOAT Athlete in Tennis
 
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