String advice for Ultra Tour 18x20?

Pitti

Rookie
Hi everyone. I’ve registered to this forum to see what string advice can you give me:

I’ve recently returned to tennis after a 10 year hiatus. I was a consistent club player by the time I gave it up. I’m an all court player, with a 1hbh. I’m aggressive, and like to open angles and attack short balls coming to the net. I don’t play with tons of topspin but not completely flat, and I use something in between an eastern or semi western drive grip.

I’ve bought 3 months ago a Wilson ultra tour and I like it. I’ve been playing with a full bed of xone biphase at 24kg (53lbs), but I find that I’m breaking it in 8-10h of playing. I’ve been playing with multi because I was afraid I could hurt myself due to the technique I could have lost, and my off-center 1 handed backhands. I also spend lots of hours at work using a computer and sometimes my right elbow and shoulder feels sore and slightly sensitive. I’m regaining my technique, but I’m now playing way better than 3 months ago.

I’m not sure if I have ever played with a poly. My coach at that time changed the strings for me and I never bothered to ask what they were. There was a time in which I played with some yellow curly strings. But I can’t really know what was I using.

Now, in my town there’s only a place where I can change strings, and they just put the strings they carry, so you must buy there. They usually have some multis (xone 1.24, TGV 1.30, Duramix 1.30, XR3 1.30, sensation 1.35 and RipControl 1.30) and some polys (LXN alupower 125, Blackcode, Rpm blast and sometimes Head Lynx).

What string do you recommend me for my ultra tour that will last me more than the xone biphase, and in what tension range should I put it not to hurt myself?

Thank you very much



Edit: Grammar.
 

Jura-SB

Rookie
Hi everyone. I’ve registered to this forum to see what string advice can you give me:

I’ve recently returned to tennis after a 10 year hiatus. I was a consistent club player by the time I gave it up. I’m an all court player, with a 1hbh. I’m aggressive, and like to open angles and attack short balls coming to the net. I don’t play with tons of topspin but not completely flat, and I use something in between an eastern or semi western drive grip.

I’ve bought 3 months ago a Wilson ultra tour and I like it. I’ve been playing with a full bed of xone biphase at 24kg (53lbs), but I find that I’m breaking it in 8-10h of playing. I’ve been playing with multi because I was afraid I could hurt myself due to the technique I could have lost, and my off-center 1 handed backhands. I also spend lots of hours at work using a computer and sometimes my right elbow and shoulder feels sore and slightly sensitive. I’m regaining my technique, but I’m now playing way better than 3 months ago.

I’m not sure if I have ever played with a poly. My coach at that time changed the strings for me and I never bothered to ask what they were. There was a time in which I played with some yellow curly strings. But I can’t really know what was I using.

Now, in my town there’s only a place where I can change strings, and they just put the strings they carry, so you must buy there. They usually have some multis (xone 1.24, TGV 1.30, Duramix 1.30, XR3 1.30, sensation 1.35 and RipControl 1.30) and some polys (LXN alupower 125, Blackcode, Rpm blast and sometimes Head Lynx).

What string do you recommend me for my ultra tour that will last me more than the xone biphase, and in what tension range should I put it not to hurt myself?

Thank you very much



Edit: Grammar.
I'm playing with Ultra tour strung with Polyfibre TCS 1.25,23/22 kg and really enjoy it. Tried with black code 1.28 at same tension. Also awesome combination if you like shaped poly (I prefer round).
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I have an 18x20 Tour 100P and my favorite is Zyex Mains and Poly crosses at 47/44. A second great choice is just a full bed of 17g synthetic gut.
 

Big Bagel

Professional
Don't go full poly if you want to play longer. It won't break as quickly, but the playability will be done in about the same amount of time. I would recommend asking if they either have or can get some natural gut so that you can do a gut/poly hybrid with whatever gut you like/can get (Babolat VS or Tonic or Luxilon Natural Gut are probably the easiest to get a hold of) with a round poly in the crosses. I haven't tried a gut/poly hybrid with any of the polys you mentioned they have, but as long as it's round it should be alright.

I would suggest asking for the 15L (1.34) version of x-one biphase, but since it's already an 18x20 string pattern, that might make it too closed of a pattern, although it's still worth a shot if they won't do gut or you don't want to pay for the gut.
 

Pitti

Rookie
Jura-SB and el_zopilote:Thank you for sharing your string combos and your suggestions.

Big Bagel: I think they have the 15 version of Wilson Sensation. What do you think of a full bed of that particular string? Natural gut for sure would be a pleasure to play, and I’ll try it someday. But now it is slightly out of my budget.

They also let you combine the multifilament and monofilament they carry if you want a hybrid, which is something I have never done.
 

markus.lohse.9

New User
I play the Ultra since severel weeks one with the Yonex Monopreme with 22/21 kg and one i think with Alu Power but i donˋt know it exactly. Alu Power all is ok but not perfect because of my arm problems. The Monopreme is realy good very good but have no spin potential. Next try is my old Kirschbaum Hybrid with Touch Natural and Evolution.


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ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
@Pitti ... the 1.24 x-one is 17g, probably why you are breaking it quickly. Rip Control is suppose to have good durability and spin for a multi ... but according to reviews/ratings will have less power than x-one. Everyone likes different feel, so no way to know which multi in their list you will like. Wilson Sensation was very popular at one time. I hit with it a long time ago and liked it, but 16g. Might be worth trying it in their 15g and see ... will last you longer than 17g x-one.
 

1HBHfanatic

Hall of Fame
i would look into 16g multis, w.nxt(1.30mm), h.velocity(1.30mm),
another interesting string IMO, on the wilson.ultra.tour.18/20 raket was babolat.ORIGIN, also 16g (1.30mm)
or head.fxp.tour 16g

their is a new string from luxilon coming out, called "luxilon.smart", should also work well with this tight pattern raket
anyway, good luck with the hunt
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
i would look into 16g multis, w.nxt(1.30mm), h.velocity(1.30mm),
another interesting string IMO, on the wilson.ultra.tour.18/20 raket was babolat.ORIGIN, also 16g (1.30mm)
or head.fxp.tour 16g

their is a new string from luxilon coming out, called "luxilon.smart", should also work well with this tight pattern raket
anyway, good luck with the hunt
He said one stringer in town ... and has to use their strings because they won't let him bring strings. I think given that, it's time to buy a stringer and buy his strings from TW. (y)
 

esgee48

Legend
10 hours on 17 Ga multi is pretty good. I can break 17 Ga multis in under 6 hours easily. Try 16 Ga or 15L as that should last you around 50% longer. Don't be afraid of using thicker strings. The only thing you need to find is the right ref tension for each string choice. That will occur with the 2nd or 3rd string job using the same string.

If you are worried about arm health, stay away from all poly stringbeds. If you use them, be prepeared to restring the frame every 12-16 hours.

If you only have one stringer in town, you are at their mercy unless they will accept strings from customers. Since they don't, I would learn to string my own racquets. The process is not rocket science. Check out the videos available at the top of the Stringing Machines/Stringing Techniques Forum or at the top of this forum. It would be the YouTube thread.
 
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Pitti

Rookie
@markus.lohse.9 : Thank you for sharing your current string combination. I wouldn't mind trying alu power, but I'm afraid it can be harsh for my arm.

@ByeByePoly and @1HBHfanatic and @esgee48:

I have never been a huge stringbreaker because I play with low to moderate topspin and a fairly eastern grip. I do attack the ball with my drive, and I like to play at the net whenever I can, and sometimes I play serve and volley games, which probably expands the life of the strings. I feel quite unconfortable being defensive at the baseline, but I enjoy attacking from there with my drive. I'm currently playing twice a week on indoor hard courts.

I thought poly strings were meant to last more than 10-15 hours. But if they can be bad for the arm, and they lose tension and properties in the same time I break a multifilament, I'll probably stick with the latter ones as long as I can get them to last that time. Another question: does the same happen with hybrid multi/gut & polyester strings? I suppose the answer is yes, since the poly would lose their properties at the same pace so I would have to restring in the same 10-15 hours, but correct me if I'm wrong.

So I will probably start by following your advice by trying the thicker multifilament strings they carry, and start considering a stringing machine in the medium term so I can get whichever string I want through TW.

Thank you very much!
 

Pitti

Rookie
And what about stringsavers? Are they really useful? Would they let me get some extra hours out of a full bed of multifilament?
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
And what about stringsavers? Are they really useful? Would they let me get some extra hours out of a full bed of multifilament?
String savers (ss) can make multis last longer, but can make the strings feel different, particularly if you put a bunch in. Two schools of thought on them ... put them in right after stringing in area you break strings, or chase the fray/notch (when you notice a bad fray/notch pop one in). Do you break in the same place/area every time? I do, and although I don't love ss, I recently started putting a few in where I break all the time ... and it seems to be working. Buy the babolat ss if you get them. I would try the 16g or 15l multi first and see how long until it breaks ... might be all you need.

OK ... I am someone who played rpm blast for 5 years, and ended up with bad TE and couldn't play matches for 8 months. I play multi now (fb Velocity ... we have a small thread :-D). So I am not the person to recommend poly ... but can explain the poly/multi. Lots of players use the poly mains (more spin, more durability, control), but use synethic gut or multi in cross to make it more arm friendly. I played RPM Blast 2+ months at a time. I had never heard of poly going dead quick and becoming dangerous to the arm until I joined here in summer 2016 (with TE ... it's why I found this place .... TE discussions in the health forum). I would think poly/multi would be safe enough for 20 hours play ... but depends on players and elbows. If you are happy without poly ... stick to multi or syn gut ... safer for arm. All multis are not equal on power and spin. X-one is rated as one of the most powerful, so @53 lbs that is probably very powerful. A multi like Velocity is less power, very muted and great spin for a multi. Since you play flattish with some s&v ... feel might matter more to you than other traits like spin. Trying the Sensation 15l really might be a good first test ... might like it and might last long enough. That said ... x-one is very popular these days ... I haven't hit it. They just recently started making it in 15l.

Hybrids are a never ending string rabbit hole ... might want to save that hobby :eek: for when you buy a stringer. I know ... don't have a stringer $$$ :mad:.
 
I'd try a hybrid of the ALU Power and Xone. Put the ALU in the mains, drop the tension 10%, and put the Xone in the crosses at your usual 53lbs. and see how that goes.
 

mhkeuns

Hall of Fame
The Ultra Tour really plays the best with 17G full poly, but if you more hours on your string, you may want to go thicker. Just go with your favorite poly.
I don't usually play with synthetic gut or multi filament, so I wouldn't be able to recommend any good string choices.
I didn't like it with gut/poly hybrid for some reason.
 

Traffic

Hall of Fame
I thought poly strings were meant to last more than 10-15 hours. But if they can be bad for the arm, and they lose tension and properties in the same time I break a multifilament, I'll probably stick with the latter ones as long as I can get them to last that time. Another question: does the same happen with hybrid multi/gut & polyester strings? I suppose the answer is yes, since the poly would lose their properties at the same pace so I would have to restring in the same 10-15 hours, but correct me if I'm wrong.
I re-string my son's racquet (Pure Strike 98 16x19) every 12hrs. He plays with HyperG18 which goes dead after about 12hrs.

So if you are getting 10-15hrs of 17g multi, then that is great. You're not going to get more longevity out of poly; not safely anyway.

I would try @esgee48 recommendation of going with a 16g.

Otherwise, it's just the cost of playing good tennis. Pick up a used stringing machine and order an inventory of strings and string frequently.
 

Pitti

Rookie
@ByeByePoly I’ll probably get some babolat ss and use them as the strings deteriorate. I don’t want to risk my elbow more than necessary by playing tennis, even if I have to restring slightly more often. I also have other hobbies which add a little strain to the elbow, so I don’t really want to make a bad string choice. The xone is powerful, but I’m playing with the ultra tour in stock form, which is low-powered, so they kind of compensate. I’ve read it is worth to add some lead to this racquet and will probably try it, but I have no idea about what should I do. Just adding more weight to the throat to make it some kind of a proStaff? Just a little bit (1-2 gr) at 12? I like that I can easily move it on its stock form, so “reaction shots” are easy... well. That’s a completely different issue. Again, thank you very much for your advice!

@StringGuruMRT @mhkeuns @Traffic I think I’ll avoid polys by the moment, and just try thicker multifilament strings. I’m getting between 8-10h out of the xone biphase. If I can expand the string life with a thicker gauge and/or some string savers if required, that would be enough by the moment for me. I may try hybrids in a future. Thank you for your advice.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
@ByeByePoly I’ll probably get some babolat ss and use them as the strings deteriorate. I don’t want to risk my elbow more than necessary by playing tennis, even if I have to restring slightly more often. I also have other hobbies which add a little strain to the elbow, so I don’t really want to make a bad string choice. The xone is powerful, but I’m playing with the ultra tour in stock form, which is low-powered, so they kind of compensate. I’ve read it is worth to add some lead to this racquet and will probably try it, but I have no idea about what should I do. Just adding more weight to the throat to make it some kind of a proStaff? Just a little bit (1-2 gr) at 12? I like that I can easily move it on its stock form, so “reaction shots” are easy... well. That’s a completely different issue. Again, thank you very much for your advice!

@StringGuruMRT @mhkeuns @Traffic I think I’ll avoid polys by the moment, and just try thicker multifilament strings. I’m getting between 8-10h out of the xone biphase. If I can expand the string life with a thicker gauge and/or some string savers if required, that would be enough by the moment for me. I may try hybrids in a future. Thank you for your advice.
Strange they require you to use their strings. My stringer could care less ... he charges me $15 for stringing if I bring in my own string, and $15 + his string cost if I use his.
 

Pitti

Rookie
Strange they require you to use their strings. My stringer could care less ... he charges me $15 for stringing if I bring in my own string, and $15 + his string cost if I use his.
It is because it is a big general sports retailer which has a tennis section and the stringers are not “free” to do what they want. So the idea is that you pay for the string in the shop so the retailer benefits instead of buying it on TW/similar so they don’t get their benefit margin.

Edit: What an awful grammar. I hope you understood what I meant. English is not my mother tongue and sometimes I write strange sentences.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
It is because it is a big general sports retailer which has a tennis section and the stringers are not “free” to do what they want. So the idea is that you pay for the string in the shop so the retailer benefits instead of buying it on TW/similar so they don’t get their benefit margin.

Edit: What an awful grammar. I hope you understood what I meant. English is not my mother tongue and sometimes I write strange sentences.
Oh ... not just a stringer shop, that makes sense.

I wouldn't worry about grammar here ... most of us in the US can't even do one language right. ;)
 

Notirouswithag

Professional
if your going to use a poly go a soft poly in 17g. The Ultra Tours feels best and shines with a thinner gauge string.

Tried 16g in there and hated it, i cut it out and immediatley put in some 17g black bear bear claw and have been stuck on it since.
 

mrmike

Semi-Pro
I just picked up an Ultra Tour and strung it with Prince syngut Duraflex 16. If you’re like me and can’t play poly, this is a good option since it’s stiffer and more control oriented than multis, but softer than poly. Another benefit of syngut is its cheap so I can restring whenever I feel the playability drops off. It’s weird but I’ve tried every expensive string in the book and keep going back to synthetic gut.
 

1HBHfanatic

Hall of Fame
I just picked up an Ultra Tour and strung it with Prince syngut Duraflex 16. If you’re like me and can’t play poly, this is a good option since it’s stiffer and more control oriented than multis, but softer than poly. Another benefit of syngut is its cheap so I can restring whenever I feel the playability drops off. It’s weird but I’ve tried every expensive string in the book and keep going back to synthetic gut.
have you tried babolat.origin?? its a very interesting string, its a mix between syn.gut and multi,, also luxilon "smart" string(coming soon)
both these strings are good options on low power racquets
 

mrmike

Semi-Pro
have you tried babolat.origin?? its a very interesting string, its a mix between syn.gut and multi,, also luxilon "smart" string(coming soon)
both these strings are good options on low power racquets
Thanks for the suggestion, I've seen Origin out there since it came out but never gave it a try. Maybe the price scared me off but it looks like it has some interesting qualities. May be worth trying.
 

Pitti

Rookie
Well, I finally broke my strings last week, (right now I'm playing just 1-2h per week). Until now, I had been playing with a Wilson Ultra Tour 97 in stock form, strung with Xone Biphase 1.24 at 53 lbs.

I'm taking my racquet to the shop this afternoon, and will probably restring it with either a full bed of:
  1. RIP Control 1.30 (I've read it's low-powered but durable and with a decent spin)
  2. Wilson sensation 1.35 (I've read it has decent power and spin, but maybe less durability)
Which tension would you advice me to use with my Ultra tour with a full bed of each of those strings? Thank you very much.
 

hurworld

Hall of Fame
Well, I finally broke my strings last week, (right now I'm playing just 1-2h per week). Until now, I had been playing with a Wilson Ultra Tour 97 in stock form, strung with Xone Biphase 1.24 at 53 lbs.

I'm taking my racquet to the shop this afternoon, and will probably restring it with either a full bed of:
  1. RIP Control 1.30 (I've read it's low-powered but durable and with a decent spin)
  2. Wilson sensation 1.35 (I've read it has decent power and spin, but maybe less durability)
Which tension would you advice me to use with my Ultra tour with a full bed of each of those strings? Thank you very much.
Why increase in gauge? Might make the stringbed feel boardy with dense pattern 18x20.
 

johndphammd

New User
I’ve loved playing with head lynx edge in the Wilson ultra tour. The string gave me the spin and power I was missing (strung at 48 pounds). The matching blue color looks nice too!
 

mrmike

Semi-Pro
Thanks for the suggestion, I've seen Origin out there since it came out but never gave it a try. Maybe the price scared me off but it looks like it has some interesting qualities. May be worth trying.
So I installed a set of Origin 16 at 58 lbs. and my first impression is very positive. Seems to have a very crisp feel yet easy on the arm. If the tension holds up this could be my favorite string ever! Not a big topspin player so that is not a requirement. Feel is way above my usual Prince Duraflex setup.
 

USPTARF97

Hall of Fame
Playing Wilson 6.1 18x20’s
Max Power 1.25/ Gosen Micro Sheep 1.30
48/48

Since your stringer has Alu Power and X one Biphase that would be an awesome set up.

Alu Power/X-one.
 
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1HBHfanatic

Hall of Fame
So I installed a set of Origin 16 at 58 lbs. and my first impression is very positive. Seems to have a very crisp feel yet easy on the arm. If the tension holds up this could be my favorite string ever! Not a big topspin player so that is not a requirement. Feel is way above my usual Prince Duraflex setup.
its good,, keep a mental note on how long it holds the tension,,
i was pleasantly surprised myself, it took 2x longer than other strings to show signs of string fatigue
btw, what color did you go with? natural or black??
 

mrmike

Semi-Pro
its good,, keep a mental note on how long it holds the tension,,
i was pleasantly surprised myself, it took 2x longer than other strings to show signs of string fatigue
btw, what color did you go with? natural or black??
I used natural for the first try. Hopefully it will go on sale sometime and I’ll pick up some more.
 
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