Stringmaster Deluxe with Wise

dsp9753

dsp9753

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After some posts here, I bought a new stringmaster deluxe and attached my Wise v14 to it. I ordered it directly off their website and had it shipped to me in the US. The clamps and mounting system is much much better then my old alpha machine. Overall seems to be a huge improvement. I also purchased this from aliexpress and waiting for it to arrive!


Pics of my new setup. Thanks everyone for your help!

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the_faceless_player said:
Also, is that some Confidential 3.0 I spy down below? Always curious which version other people may be getting these days :)
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Not sure which reel you are referring to but I have the following.

Weiss Ultracable
Prince Vortex
Solinco Hyper G
Toroline Ether

My primary string that I love to play with is Mayami Big Spin. They arent currently shipping to the US so I have been trying a bunch of random strings.
 
dsp9753 said:
Not sure which reel you are referring to but I have the following.

Weiss Ultracable
Prince Vortex
Solinco Hyper G
Toroline Ether

My primary string that I love to play with is Mayami Big Spin. They arent currently shipping to the US so I have been trying a bunch of random strings.
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Ahh the blue stuff must be Ether. It looked a lot like a couple of the prototype versions I play with from Solinco.
 
@dsp9753,

I see that you have the Japan version of the Phantom Pro.

Any particular reason you got the Japanese iteration rather than the U.S. version?
 
Wes said:
@dsp9753,

I see that you have the Japan version of the Phantom Pro.

Any particular reason you got the Japanese iteration rather than the U.S. version?
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No “good” reason other than to satisfy my racqetholicness. Also, they are different models and the latest JPN version plays with a bit more power. The power level on my 305x says 750 while the JPN version says 825. I am not sure if the power levels are a 1 to 1 from the US to JPN.
 
My Clip Easy from china arrived and I just attached it. Replacing the tension head itself was quick and easy. It came with these metal raisers for the body of the stringer itself but no screws. After driving around for an hour I was finally able to get the right sized flat head machine screws. WIth the raiser I was able to get the full 360 degree rotation again.

My review of the tension head is that it saves about 1/2 second per pull. It is actually easier and quicker to put the string into the tensioner and to get it to pull. It seems to slightly crimp the string at the end though. I cant visibly see it but I can feel it. At the end of the day, its not something I am too concerned about as I already like shaped poly strings.

The diablo rises automatically to the height of racquet to always get a parallel pull on the strings. So this is the best of both worlds. Full 360 degree rotation and parallel pulls.
 
Steve Huff said:
Judging by this 1st picture, you have really limited the adjustment for stringing longer rackets. You might need to move the Wise back about an inch. Other than that, the setup looks sharp.
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What is the benefit of using this gripper/diablo set-up?
I just mounted one to a gamma 6004 frankinbuild and, other than the gripper jaws and the diablo being at a slight angle, I see no real benefit, especially when I have to move my table too far above the tensioner for my liking. The diablo and gripper jaws rise a out a 1/2"when they're activated.
 
dsp9753 said:
After some posts here, I bought a new stringmaster deluxe and attached my Wise v14 to it. I ordered it directly off their website and had it shipped to me in the US. The clamps and mounting system is much much better then my old alpha machine. Overall seems to be a huge improvement. I also purchased this from aliexpress and waiting for it to arrive!


Pics of my new setup. Thanks everyone for your help!

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IMG-0367.jpg

IMG-0368.jpg
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Hey! curious about the dimensions of the cart you have your tabletop stringer on top of?
 
dsp9753 said:
After some posts here, I bought a new stringmaster deluxe and attached my Wise v14 to it. I ordered it directly off their website and had it shipped to me in the US. The clamps and mounting system is much much better then my old alpha machine. Overall seems to be a huge improvement. I also purchased this from aliexpress and waiting for it to arrive!


Pics of my new setup. Thanks everyone for your help!

IMG-0366.jpg

IMG-0367.jpg

IMG-0368.jpg
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Where is this machine sold I couldnt find anything available.
 
dgdawg said:
What is the benefit of using this gripper/diablo set-up?
I just mounted one to a gamma 6004 frankinbuild and, other than the gripper jaws and the diablo being at a slight angle, I see no real benefit, especially when I have to move my table too far above the tensioner for my liking. The diablo and gripper jaws rise a out a 1/2"when they're activated.
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I don't use it all the time when I string poly or syn gut. But, when stringing a multi or a natural gut, the gripper can sometimes flatten the string enough that it's tough to pull through some grommets. Using the diablo eliminates that.
 
Sadly, tennisman no longer ships to the USA. I was ready to pull the trigger.
 
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Yeah I will be finally looking to upgrade my drop weight and had my eyes on these but so far the deluxe has been out of stock for quite a while. Need to contact them to see if its EoL or just a supply issue.
 
Lex said:
Sadly, tennisman no longer ships to the USA. I was ready to pull the trigger.
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FWIW, I ordered the deluxe LE V3 on 04/29/24. I also had read that they don't ship to the USA, but I e-mailed to ask, it didn't come up, and I just placed my order as usual. Shipping took forever, I just got the final piece of my machine last week, and I still haven't unboxed, but my order went through. Just a datapoint for you.
MaxSwing said:
Yeah I will be finally looking to upgrade my drop weight and had my eyes on these but so far the deluxe has been out of stock for quite a while. Need to contact them to see if its EoL or just a supply issue.
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I might have bought the last one in stock - it went OOS right after my order. I expect it's a supply issue, as they do sell the tensioner assembly separately on their site. I can't imagine that they'd have discontinued the machine, since it's built up of other components that they sell in other configurations. I e-mailed Dirk and he was quick to respond. There's an obvious language barrier, but they responded quickly (at like 10PM in Germany)!
 
I emailed tennisman and got this response yesterday:

we had some problems with customers who refused their credit card payment but received the money. So we lost a lot of money.



= At the moment we don´t send stringing machines so the USA



Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Best regards

D.Schöll
 
Lex said:
I emailed tennisman and got this response yesterday:

we had some problems with customers who refused their credit card payment but received the money. So we lost a lot of money.



= At the moment we don´t send stringing machines so the USA



Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Best regards

D.Schöll
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Is he saying some people dispute their credit card after they receive products?
Sounds like it's easy to do since it will show foreign transaction if it's through their website protal.
But that's sad......
 
creammi said:
Is he saying some people dispute their credit card after they receive products?
Sounds like it's easy to do since it will show foreign transaction if it's through their website protal.
But that's sad......
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Yes, I gather that's what happened. People disputed the charges. Shame.
 
garack said:
I thought they did? It is an opption on there website its just $97 shipping fee.
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Note that I did get a request for a separate, additional charge when I ordered my machine. It was an additional (paypal) invoice for +$180. Will depend on the machine, so don't rely too much on that website quote.
Lex said:
Yes, I gather that's what happened. People disputed the charges. Shame.
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That's a bummer. Not sure why my purchase went through :unsure:
 
diredesire said:
FWIW, I ordered the deluxe LE V3 on 04/29/24. I also had read that they don't ship to the USA, but I e-mailed to ask, it didn't come up, and I just placed my order as usual. Shipping took forever, I just got the final piece of my machine last week, and I still haven't unboxed, but my order went through. Just a datapoint for you.

I might have bought the last one in stock - it went OOS right after my order. I expect it's a supply issue, as they do sell the tensioner assembly separately on their site. I can't imagine that they'd have discontinued the machine, since it's built up of other components that they sell in other configurations. I e-mailed Dirk and he was quick to respond. There's an obvious language barrier, but they responded quickly (at like 10PM in Germany)!
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How happy are you now after a few months with that version 3 machine? Are there any issues so far? Would you recommend buying it?
 
Sarah99 said:
How happy are you now after a few months with that version 3 machine? Are there any issues so far? Would you recommend buying it?
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@Sarah99,
First off welcome to the forum.

I'll let @diredesire answer for himself.
However, in the meantime (seeing that you just joined the forum), you may want to check out DD's recent thread (from back in June) regarding his Stringmaster Deluxe purchase/ unboxing/thoughts.
I would think you'll find it an insightful read.

New Machine! StringMaster Deluxe LE V3

This top post is going to cover first impressions and unboxing. I'll probably continue to update this thread as I put more time on the machine. I'm not sure I'll have a ton of updates, but I'll probably barf some thoughts after putting a couple dozen frames on the machine once I'm past the...
tt.tennis-warehouse.com tt.tennis-warehouse.com

Cheers, Wes
 
Sarah99 said:
How happy are you now after a few months with that version 3 machine? Are there any issues so far? Would you recommend buying it?
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I've only put on a couple handfuls of frames on the machine, so take this with a healthy grain of salt...

I (still) think it's a great machine for the price, probably on the higher end of the value per dollar scale at this point in time. It's a tier of machine that's low on compromises, and base/basic performance is approaching upper/high-end tier machines. However, there's also still a small gap between, say, a Babolat machine (what I last owned) and this machine. If I haven't already said it, it feels like this machine was developed by a mechanical engineer and a final polish pass wasn't made by a(n industrial) designer. It's possible that with dozens (hundreds?) more frames that things will kind of wear in and get smoother, but my clamp bases are ever so slightly sticky (on the tracks/rails), and the push down mechanism still feels like there's a little more resistance than I'd expect (/want). I still haven't taken the time to sit and tinker with the machine to fine tune it - and to a certain degree, the reason I haven't is because you really shouldn't have to for a machine relatively new out of the box at this tier of machine. It doesn't bother me too much, but it's something I notice.

The one thing that actually does irritate me about the machine is that the brake lever/handle is catching string at least once a job, and I'll double down on my previous comments about the turntable rotating too freely. Weaving polys (I almost fully push weave) is irritating. The brake has a ton of friction to activate (although that could have just been due to my mishap during assembly...), and the handle is pretty out of the way to want to engage it just for a quick weave.

Overall, minor nitpicks - still a great machine and I don't feel bad about the purchase at all.
 
diredesire said:
I've only put on a couple handfuls of frames on the machine, so take this with a healthy grain of salt...

I (still) think it's a great machine for the price, probably on the higher end of the value per dollar scale at this point in time. It's a tier of machine that's low on compromises, and base/basic performance is approaching upper/high-end tier machines. However, there's also still a small gap between, say, a Babolat machine (what I last owned) and this machine. If I haven't already said it, it feels like this machine was developed by a mechanical engineer and a final polish pass wasn't made by a(n industrial) designer. It's possible that with dozens (hundreds?) more frames that things will kind of wear in and get smoother, but my clamp bases are ever so slightly sticky (on the tracks/rails), and the push down mechanism still feels like there's a little more resistance than I'd expect (/want). I still haven't taken the time to sit and tinker with the machine to fine tune it - and to a certain degree, the reason I haven't is because you really shouldn't have to for a machine relatively new out of the box at this tier of machine. It doesn't bother me too much, but it's something I notice.

The one thing that actually does irritate me about the machine is that the brake lever/handle is catching string at least once a job, and I'll double down on my previous comments about the turntable rotating too freely. Weaving polys (I almost fully push weave) is irritating. The brake has a ton of friction to activate (although that could have just been due to my mishap during assembly...), and the handle is pretty out of the way to want to engage it just for a quick weave.

Overall, minor nitpicks - still a great machine and I don't feel bad about the purchase at all.
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How about now? How do you like it?
 
Not to steal the thunder here but I have had mine since October last year although only done around 25 frames (mostly tennis but a handful of badminton and one squash) on it. I still think its a great machine but my only perspective is from a cheap and basic dropweight machine.

Slight bugbears are:
  • Turntable is buttery smooth - which is great but when weaving crosses its a bit of a pain and I have to steady it with a finger. Not a major problem and easily coped with
  • Tension head activation - it has two options, either the button behind the grippers or by just pushing the grippers closed. The button is very sensitive but easy to get used to however I find I have just got used to holding the string into the grippers and pushing them closed enough to activate
  • Brake handle - like DD said string does catch on it, I have the tabletop version and so I think this happens less due to the edge of the table but it does happen. Just got used to being careful as a resolution
  • The shoulder supports seem to protrude a little too far below the frame which makes it hard to clamp the last mains close to the grommets on some racquets - again only a minor gripe as you just plan ahead and check where the final main is in relation to the supports and even if it is a problem then its normally only the last 1cm or so that you cant reach
  • Length to the gripper head is quite far, meaning about 7" waste string after tie off on mains and about 4" on crosses. I mostly use reels so not a major issue but had to buy a unique string for a customer and so bought a single set and it was far too close to not being enough for the racquet. I guess I could have bridged at a worse case scenario
However overall I love it, its very well built, good weight and very little movement from the clamps on pull / release. Great adjustment on clamps with good gripping power - not have any issues with having to have the clamps too tight and therefore crimping the strings. I have the Ennoxx tension head and it does its job very well, I feel like I should use the memory feature more but generally leaving the default on 55lbs and then adjusting up and down depending on the customer is fine, memory 2 is then set for a default badminton. Its nice and smooth on pull and just havent had an issue with it in any way other than the overly sensitive button double pressing for example.
 
MaxSwing said:
Not to steal the thunder here but I have had mine since October last year although only done around 25 frames (mostly tennis but a handful of badminton and one squash) on it. I still think its a great machine but my only perspective is from a cheap and basic dropweight machine.

Slight bugbears are:
  • Turntable is buttery smooth - which is great but when weaving crosses its a bit of a pain and I have to steady it with a finger. Not a major problem and easily coped with
  • Tension head activation - it has two options, either the button behind the grippers or by just pushing the grippers closed. The button is very sensitive but easy to get used to however I find I have just got used to holding the string into the grippers and pushing them closed enough to activate
  • Brake handle - like DD said string does catch on it, I have the tabletop version and so I think this happens less due to the edge of the table but it does happen. Just got used to being careful as a resolution
  • The shoulder supports seem to protrude a little too far below the frame which makes it hard to clamp the last mains close to the grommets on some racquets - again only a minor gripe as you just plan ahead and check where the final main is in relation to the supports and even if it is a problem then its normally only the last 1cm or so that you cant reach
  • Length to the gripper head is quite far, meaning about 7" waste string after tie off on mains and about 4" on crosses. I mostly use reels so not a major issue but had to buy a unique string for a customer and so bought a single set and it was far too close to not being enough for the racquet. I guess I could have bridged at a worse case scenario
However overall I love it, its very well built, good weight and very little movement from the clamps on pull / release. Great adjustment on clamps with good gripping power - not have any issues with having to have the clamps too tight and therefore crimping the strings. I have the Ennoxx tension head and it does its job very well, I feel like I should use the memory feature more but generally leaving the default on 55lbs and then adjusting up and down depending on the customer is fine, memory 2 is then set for a default badminton. Its nice and smooth on pull and just havent had an issue with it in any way other than the overly sensitive button double pressing for example.
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At the risk of further derailing the thread, not much else to add. I'm happy to answer in detail in this thread if you have specific questions.

@MaxSwing covered a lot of great points, I have similar feelings on most points. My biggest irritation at this point is probably the string catching on the brake handle. It happens multiple times per job.

The 12/6 mounting points' threaded rod is a little short, so there's not a lot of travel. This wouldn't be a problem generally speaking, but the side mounts are quite long, I prefer my frame more floating in the center for better access for weaving, etc., and you have mounting issues similar to above's 4th bullet.

I also had a clamp adjustment I had to make, and I still think I'm just outside the sweetspot - I'm fairly sure there's a slight high point on my rail, so adjusting "just right" for clamping pressure results in a bit of the clamp catching when released in one spot. Pretty annoying.

Still happy with the machine, still think it's a great value. A few minor design changes would make it the uncontested champ in the price range, though, imo.
 
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diredesire said:
At the risk of further derailing the thread, not much else to add. I'm happy to answer in detail in this thread if you have specific questions.

@MaxSwing covered a lot of great points, I have similar feelings on most points. My biggest irritation at this point is probably the string catching on the brake handle. It happens multiple times per job.

The 12/6 mounting points' threaded rod is a little short, so there's not a lot of travel. This wouldn't be a problem generally speaking, but the side mounts are quite long, I prefer my frame more floating in the center for better access for weaving, etc., and you have mounting issues similar to above's 4th bullet.

I also had a clamp adjustment I had to make, and I still think I'm just outside the sweetspot - I'm fairly sure there's a slight high point on my rail, so adjusting "just right" for clamping pressure results in a bit of the clamp catching when released in one spot. Pretty annoying.

Still happy with the machine, still think it's a great value. A few minor design changes would make it the uncontested champ in the price range, though, imo.
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When I know I wont be stringing O ports any time soon, I will actually zip tie my clutch handle to the frame so string doesn't get in there.
I have a big ball on the end of mine. I remove it and bring the zip tie to the threaded end. When I need it, I pull the zip tie out and replace the ball.
It slips right back on when I am back in non O port mode.

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diredesire said:
I also had a clamp adjustment I had to make, and I still think I'm just outside the sweetspot - I'm fairly sure there's a slight high point on my rail, so adjusting "just right" for clamping pressure results in a bit of the clamp catching when released in one spot. Pretty annoying.
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Hi @diredesire - you mention the clamp issue but I havent come across that yet. I dont use a massive variety of string (2 or 3 polys and 4 syn gut options that most go for and all either either 16 or 17 gauge) and I find that I adjust between either the 4 or 5 setting on the clamp depending on the string but not had any issue with crimping or slippage.

Is there a particular string you find this issue on or have I just been lucky (or ignorant?!) about a potential issue?
 
WYK said:
When I know I wont be stringing O ports any time soon, I will actually zip tie my clutch handle to the frame so string doesn't get in there.
I have a big ball on the end of mine. I remove it and bring the zip tie to the threaded end. When I need it, I pull the zip tie out and replace the ball.
It slips right back on when I am back in non O port mode.
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Hi @WYK, unfortunately on the stringmaster the brake handle sticks out in line with the base - you can see it in DD's post http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/inde...tringmaster-deluxe-le-v3.770482/post-18178339

It is relatively short but but yes definitely catches string and no way to move it out of the way. Theres probably someone far clever than I that could do a 3D print of some sort of wedge cover to clip on but its not a massive one for me as I use the table top version and just place the machine so that the handle doesnt stick out over the edge of the table as much.
 
diredesire said:
It's possible that with dozens (hundreds?) more frames that things will kind of wear in and get smoother, but my clamp bases are ever so slightly sticky (on the tracks/rails), and the push down mechanism still feels like there's a little more resistance than I'd expect (/want).
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Still have sticky bases? If you do clean well with WD40. If your push down bases still have too much resistance try adjusting them.
diredesire said:
The one thing that actually does irritate me about the machine is that the brake lever/handle is catching string at least once a job, and I'll double down on my previous comments about the turntable rotating too freely.
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I don’t ever use the brake while stringing so I just too the brake lever out and stuck it in a drawer. About the only time I use the brake is to check calibration. I catch the string on the height adjustment knob at lot.

I don’t have the same machine you have, but I think the turntable and clamps are identical on my Tourna 700ES.
 
MaxSwing said:
Hi @diredesire - you mention the clamp issue but I havent come across that yet. I dont use a massive variety of string (2 or 3 polys and 4 syn gut options that most go for and all either either 16 or 17 gauge) and I find that I adjust between either the 4 or 5 setting on the clamp depending on the string but not had any issue with crimping or slippage.

Is there a particular string you find this issue on or have I just been lucky (or ignorant?!) about a potential issue?
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It's a base issue, not a clamp head issue. I have more or less zero complaints about the clamp head. They are a little "catch-y" when adjusting, but I rarely touch the setting, so I give it a pass.

Irvin said:
Still have sticky bases? If you do clean well with WD40. If your push down bases still have too much resistance try adjusting them.

I don’t ever use the brake while stringing so I just too the brake lever out and stuck it in a drawer. About the only time I use the brake is to check calibration. I catch the string on the height adjustment knob at lot.

I don’t have the same machine you have, but I think the turntable and clamps are identical on my Tourna 700ES.
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It's one physical location on the rail (clamp oriented inwards, moving the base, everywhere else is smooth), so not a problem with cleanliness or lubrication. I also generally avoid WD40, as it's a compromise as either a cleaning solution and a lubricant. I understand it's recommended for certain uses by folks representing companies, but (IMHO) that's mainly because it's widely available and/or widely owned. I've already gone through multiple rounds of full adjustments, and there's definitely a sweet spot that's narrower than I expected, and when I'm in the sweetspot, my clamp catches on one location on the rail.
 
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