***Stringway Machine Users Club***

Our footoperated MS200, which we make since 1992 is the actual parent, many very old ones are still in full operation.

This is such an old machine of one of the club members





No the MS140 has 360 degree rotation so does not need the Concorde.



The MS140 weighs 6,7 kg and the ML100-TH 17 kg.

The difference in weight is in the lever, weight and heavy turntable.

Technatic, gotta love the personalization I'm seeing in that photo. Custom made base legs with casters added.
Very nice
 

kabrac

Semi-Pro
I think that the Stringway machines have some features compared to other machines which are so attractive in use that the scale which is not engraved is a secondary matter.

Besides, we have good reasons for the ruler:

- Difficult to get 3 scales on the round lever and also in good view.

- Engraving the scales on the lever is very expensive,

Do remember that our products are produced in the Netherlands and not in China like most of the others.

- We would need 2 different levers in KG en in LBS
3 different scales?......lbs and kilos....that's only 2.

What would you compare your machine to?
Eagnas has a pretty much identical tension mechanism as Stringway. Does Stringway not have a patent on the automatic tension mechanism?? The Eagnas looks like an exact copy related to tension mechanism. Also, their tension rod is etched. That machine is also half the price of a Stringway. Probably made in China....either way, Netherlands or China....still far away from me.

What sort of regulations make it not cost effective to produce etchings on a rod?

All the screws, springs, concorde systems, thing- a-majigs, and so on, seem more complicated than need be. A simple metal rod with etchings for lbs and kilos is too out of reach?????

You can't say you live by the motto, " Every Detail Counts" if you don't have etchings on the rod.

It's like Stringway made the machine, shipped it, and then said, "Oh crap!!! "We forgot to put tension etchings on the rods"....." Oh well, we'll just send them a ruler haha haha"

That's Lazy as hell
 

kabrac

Semi-Pro
Let me ask you this.....suppose I lose the ruler.....how much is a replacement? Then I also have to take shipping into account...

If I needed a new rod for my Gamma, I bet it wouldn't cost $17 or so, plus shipping.
 

Technatic

Semi-Pro
@ Kabrac

Why so negative and suspicious?

3 different scales?......lbs and kilos....that's only 2.

Yes 3 scales:

- 1 for the small weight up to 22 lbs

- 1 for the big + small weight for up to 70 lbs

- 1 with 2 small weights up to 80 lbs.

If I needed a new rod for my Gamma, I bet it wouldn't cost $17 or so, plus shipping.
The ruler cost €7,49 plus shipping
 
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Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
3 different scales?......lbs and kilos....that's only 2.
The Gamma X-2 has three scales two pound scales on the top of the bar and one kilogram scale on the bottom. The two scales on the top will depend on whether or not you are using two weights for higher tennis tension or one for lower badminton tensions.
 

Binatang

New User
3 different scales?......lbs and kilos....that's only 2.

What would you compare your machine to?
Eagnas has a pretty much identical tension mechanism as Stringway. Does Stringway not have a patent on the automatic tension mechanism?? The Eagnas looks like an exact copy related to tension mechanism. Also, their tension rod is etched. That machine is also half the price of a Stringway. Probably made in China....either way, Netherlands or China....still far away from me.

What sort of regulations make it not cost effective to produce etchings on a rod?

All the screws, springs, concorde systems, thing- a-majigs, and so on, seem more complicated than need be. A simple metal rod with etchings for lbs and kilos is too out of reach?????

You can't say you live by the motto, " Every Detail Counts" if you don't have etchings on the rod.

It's like Stringway made the machine, shipped it, and then said, "Oh crap!!! "We forgot to put tension etchings on the rods"....." Oh well, we'll just send them a ruler haha haha"

That's Lazy as hell
I have a Stringway MS200 & an Eagnas Logic 90. I assure you the Eagnas doesn’t have an etched tension rod. It uses the same ruler!
 

kabrac

Semi-Pro
I have a Stringway MS200 & an Eagnas Logic 90. I assure you the Eagnas doesn’t have an etched tension rod. It uses the same ruler!
Is the rod the same length as the Stringway?

I don't know which Eagnas it is, but they have one model that the tension mechanism looks, and is supposed to act in the same function as that of the Stringway.

I've heard from other Stringway users that the tension rod is exceedingly longer than that of a dropweight from other companies.

Is it because of the automatic tension mechanism? Can anyone chime in on this
 

Binatang

New User
Is the rod the same length as the Stringway?

I don't know which Eagnas it is, but they have one model that the tension mechanism looks, and is supposed to act in the same function as that of the Stringway.

I've heard from other Stringway users that the tension rod is exceedingly longer than that of a dropweight from other companies.

Is it because of the automatic tension mechanism? Can anyone chime in on this
That would be the Eagnas Logic 90 which I have. I have 2 Eagnas drop weights & a foot pedal Stringway MS200. The Stringway clone does have a longer rod. Eagnas’ clone does work but please note everything about it is rougher than a Stringway. Getting what you pay for is one of life’s truisms!
 

kabrac

Semi-Pro
That would be the Eagnas Logic 90 which I have. I have 2 Eagnas drop weights & a foot pedal Stringway MS200. The Stringway clone does have a longer rod. Eagnas’ clone does work but please note everything about it is rougher than a Stringway. Getting what you pay for is one of life’s truisms!
I like the ms200. Is it hard to change tension and have you ever had to take it apart and mess with the spring inside?
 

Technatic

Semi-Pro
I like the ms200. Is it hard to change tension and have you ever had to take it apart and mess with the spring inside?
The spring is the “high quality power of the machine” you can not beat it, cheap accurate and reliable.

We sell MS200’s for more than 10 years to a sportshop chain on the Philipines they work day in day out never replaced a spring.

These machines are abused so much that we sell them parts that we never sold to other users.
 

Binatang

New User
I like the ms200. Is it hard to change tension and have you ever had to take it apart and mess with the spring inside?
I don't think its hard but obviously not as convenient as a electronic machine where you just press a few buttons on the console. For the MS200 there is tension knob just above the tool tray. There is short procedure to affect the change. My MS200 is relatively new so never had the need to take it apart. That being said most home stringers are relatively handy to begin with. So getting a little messy doing some maintenance should not bother us.
 

Technatic

Semi-Pro
My MS200 is relatively new so never had the need to take it apart. That being said most home stringers are relatively handy to begin with. So getting a little messy doing some maintenance should not bother us.
Because many people have doubts about the spring hereby a little more information:

The main trick is to overdimension the spring for the force that it has supply during stringing. In this way the stress in the material remains far below the allowable force so that the spring does not loose any tension.

2 options to adjust the tension are built in the MS200:

- With the outside calibration bolt.

- The eyebolt inside as shown on this picture.

But we are almost certain that stringers never need to adjust the eyebolt because we would have to tell them, this adjustment is not in the manual. We never get questions about it.

 

kabrac

Semi-Pro
Because many people have doubts about the spring hereby a little more information:

The main trick is to overdimension the spring for the force that it has supply during stringing. In this way the stress in the material remains far below the allowable force so that the spring does not loose any tension.

2 options to adjust the tension are built in the MS200:

- With the outside calibration bolt.

- The eyebolt inside as shown on this picture.

But we are almost certain that stringers never need to adjust the eyebolt because we would have to tell them, this adjustment is not in the manual. We never get questions about it.

So is the spring covered in the 10 year warranty?

Can parts be ordered or do you have to ship the whole machine back to the distributor?

Since we can't name names, speaking of the distributor, let's say if I needed a spring and could talk me through it, this would be the same company I buy the machine from.........the folks out of "Texas"?
 

Technatic

Semi-Pro
So is the spring covered in the 10 year warranty?
Certainly!

Can parts be ordered or do you have to ship the whole machine back to the distributor?
We never get machines back we always help users to fix it, and when necessary we send parts.


Since we can't name names, speaking of the distributor, let's say if I needed a spring and could talk me through it, this would be the same company I buy the machine from.........the folks out of "Texas"?
Everything that Alpha does not have on stock we supply directly and you can contact us directly with every question.
 

DanF1961

Rookie
I'm considering getting back into stringing. I used to string with a DW & Flying Clamps, but it's been a long time. I'm considering a Stringway with flying clamps (ML100-TH), I like constant pull and would be more comfortable with a DW or Stringway and Flying clamps. How much faster, if any is a Stringway model versus an Alpha or Gamma DW at pulling tension? The Alpha & Gamma models have the ratcheting feature that must help when the weight goes below parallel. Any advise is appreciated.
 

kabrac

Semi-Pro
I can speak in regards to the Alpha vs Gamma. Gamma is wayyyyyy faster for me in many aspects.

Gamma 2pt is way faster at securing a racquet and you have more room to work.

Gamma rotational gripper is way easier to operate than the linear gripper on the Alpha.

But Alpha and Gamma have 2 things that Stringway doesn't....lower price and etchings on their tension rod.

With respect to Stringway though, they make really good flying clamps, I have two of them. Both the double and triple. If I were to get a Stringway though, it would be the MS 200 with the foot pedal. And also the fact that they have a 10 year warranty seems also really good, although I do have a lot of confidence and am plenty happy with my Gamma Progression 200.
 

DanF1961

Rookie
Also I don't find the Gamma flying clamps bad either. They're actually pretty good.
Thanks, Kabrac - The Gamma Progression 200 is one of the four on my list along with the Klippermate, Alpha Pioneer DC Plus and the Stringway with flying clamps. I thought the Alpha linear gripper would have been faster then Gamma's rotational gripper, so I thank you for your input. The 2 point mount on the Gamma looks bigger/better than the 2 point mount on the Klippermate, along with the ratcheting I'm favoring the Gamma.
 

kabrac

Semi-Pro
Thanks, Kabrac - The Gamma Progression 200 is one of the four on my list along with the Klippermate, Alpha Pioneer DC Plus and the Stringway with flying clamps. I thought the Alpha linear gripper would have been faster then Gamma's rotational gripper, so I thank you for your input. The 2 point mount on the Gamma looks bigger/better than the 2 point mount on the Klippermate, along with the ratcheting I'm favoring the Gamma.
Trust me, I have owned both and currently starting my 4th year with the Gamma.

My first machine was the DC Plus. Linear grippers shouldn't be on dropweight machines, only cranks. The string kept popping out of my linear gripper on the DC and the clamps slip BIG TIME on slippy coated strings. I bought it brand new.

And the DC weighs a ton!!!! For a dropweight. Also the side supports that hold the racquet.....I would tighten them and during stringing, the racquet would giggle. I have also used an Alpha 6pt crank and the old Alpha Ghost or Phantom. I can't remember, but it did the same. And I didn't over tighten or under tighten. I know what I'm doing.... and the side supports did the same thing.

That said, the folks at Alpha felt like a next door neighbor, always responded to calls and emails really fast. I love Alpha string.

Point is the Alpha is overbuilt for its purpose.
I love My Gamma. I just wish I would have bought the blue one, the X, as it is compatible with the Gamma stand that you can get for $169. Any other questions, pm me and I'll be glad to help
 

Technatic

Semi-Pro
Stringing monos on the MS140.

In another thread we told about the stringer who had an expensive electronic machine and a MS140 The son, who is a pro player, only wants his racquets to be strung on the MS140.

In this link the dad tells about his experience with a new monofilament string which he only strings on the MS140.

http://www.stringway-shop.eu/epages/262587.sf/fr_FR/?ObjectPath=/Shops/262587/Categories/"SW Machines Portables"/SW_MS140LS__LTec_ParadOx

Our Stringway agent in France Works together with Tennis Pro and they did play tests comparing the MS140 with different electronic machines that they have.

The playability of the strings were clearly better when strung on the MS140.

WHY IS THIS?

The stiffer the string the higher the extra tension in the string on a machine which can overshoot the adjusted tension.

This results is a higher DT value and worse control on the DT value, because the extra tension in the shorter strings will be higher than in the longer strings.


It is impossible for the spring-drive-system of the MS200 and MS140 to overshoot the tension and therefore these systems supply a very accurate result especially with stiffer strings.
 

Technatic

Semi-Pro
Hi Guys,

Some good and bad news:

Our Stringlab 2 sells so quickly that it may be difficult to produce fast enough to avoid out of stock situation.

We are looking at options to upgrade the production but that is not so easy with such a high quality product (China is no option).

Any ideas are welcome.

 
Hi Guys,

Some good and bad news:

Our Stringlab 2 sells so quickly that it may be difficult to produce fast enough to avoid out of stock situation.

We are looking at options to upgrade the production but that is not so easy with such a high quality product (China is no option).

Any ideas are welcome.


Whenever I look at Stringlab, that thin wire attached to the measuring instrument freaks me out cause I think it will break very easily. I haven't pulled the trigger to buy one because of the concern. Anyone had any problems with the wire snapping off ??
 

MathieuR

Professional
Whenever I look at Stringlab, that thin wire attached to the measuring instrument freaks me out cause
It is not a wire, it's just a string to keep the parts together.

I myself removed it, and keep it in a "parts-box".
The disc is solid, does not contain any electronics.
 

Technatic

Semi-Pro
We are very happy that MS140 customers are so happy with their machine.

Because we want the machine to be as perfect as possible, we made a minor change for the new series that we just produced:


We replaced the balls with rubber O-rings by wheels with wide rubber tyres.

Because the tyres are much wider the friction on the table is much higher.



 

Technatic

Semi-Pro
Prestretch on de MS140 and dropweights

I received an email with the question if the “knot function” on the MS140 can be used to prestretch the strings.

This is not a very good idea, because the extra tension is too low and the prestretch should only take about 10 seconds.

BUT: It is very easy to prestretch strings on all our machines:

Just put your finger at the end of the bar and the tension is raised by 5 to 8 kg’s.

Prestretch tension does not have to be very accurate, it is only meant to remove too much remaining elongation.
 

Purist

Rookie
It might be worth adding, though I suppose subject to debate, that I believe John Elliot when he says poly (copoly etc) strings should not be pulled much if at all beyond the desired reference tension (the tension set on the dropweight bar). I string using the JET method and just let the bar tension the string for 10 seconds on the mains and about 20 on the crosses - this of course is at reference tension. People may think avoiding pulling beyond ref. tension is unneeded but I've had nothing but incredible results for myself and my few customers (which are just my hitting partners). I can get 20 plus hours of play with my L-TEC strings - they still feel great with no measurable loss of tension. I've only ever really cut out my poly strings because they're not sliding back like they should reducing spin generation (plus, I hate straightening strings now). Some of my hitting partners that don't hit the ball quite as hard as I do are playing with their rackets for nearly six months (playing on average 1.5 times per week). They too were/are shocked by this since they, like everyone else it seems, were "told" that poly should go dead and tension falls off a cliff after 10 hours or so.
 

MrSmith

New User
When I string the racquet with the soft strings on MS140, usually the first tension pull hit the bottom limit and I have to pull tension second time.
Do you suggest to press the bar on the second tension pull to prestretch the string and the repull it again?
 

bashley

New User
In case anyone is wondering, a Gamma RZR Bubba 137 sq/in racket fits on a ML100. The mounting pillars occupy the near maximum distance, maybe 3-4mm to spare on each end. Apparently, this racquet is the largest legal size. https://twitter.com/bashley
 

MathieuR

Professional
When I string the racquet with the soft strings on MS140,
I love my Stringway, but every system has made choices that have consequences. The tension head of a Stringway can not stretch a string as much as a crank or electronic cp. I can easily handle this: when I tension a soft string, I make sure to enter the string in the tension head whil using "max.pulling" by hand (easier when you do one turn around the hand; it's now a fully automatic movement).

Edit: I use the badminton weight on top of the "normal" weight to prestretch
 
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bashley

New User
I love my Stringway, but every system has made choices that have consequences. The tension head of a Stringway can not stretch a string as much as a crank or electronic cp. I can easily handle this: when I tension a soft string, I make sure to enter the string in the tension head whil using "max.pulling" by hand (easier when you do one turn around the hand; it's now a fully automatic movement).

Edit: I use the badminton weight on top of the "normal" weight to prestretch
Yes, this is an automatic tweak I do like you do with stretchy string. Either that or pull once, let the head drop, lift the weight to release the head while hand-pulling firm to get more of the string under the jaws. Just takes a couple of seconds and becomes a reflex routine. Totally unnecessary with poly string or lower stretch synguts/multis. Sometimes, when I'm well-organized I'll prestretch the string by wrapping the string once around a jackpost in my basement and hanging a 5 or 10 lbs exercise weight on the opposite ends. The loose ends I clamp between a couple pieces of softwood secured by a C-clamp. I hang it for an hour or two or overnight. It's not a cure, but I think it does help somewhat.
 

Technatic

Semi-Pro
Is the MS 140 still available in the US through the TX SW distributor or are they just out of stock?
The US agent often orders machines after getting orders from users. So he can certainly offer the MS140 but it may take some time.

But we also supply direct to all countries.

When I string the racquet with the soft strings on MS140, usually the first tension pull hit the bottom limit and I have to pull tension second time.

Do you suggest to press the bar on the second tension pull to prestretch the string and the repull it again?

Sometimes, when I'm well-organized I'll prestretch the string by wrapping the string once around a jackpost in my basement and hanging a 5 or 10 lbs exercise weight on the opposite ends.
The difference in elongation is caused by the remaining elongation.

Prestretching the whole length of string at maximum hand force will remove a lot of that remaining elongation. The tension unit needs less travel then.

I believe John Elliot when he says poly (copoly etc) strings should not be pulled much if at all beyond the desired reference tension (the tension set on the dropweight bar). I can get 20 plus hours of play with my L-TEC strings - they still feel great with no measurable loss of tension.
As you may know John is our agent in France and we tested all his L-TEC strings on elongation characteristic.

Very important principle in John’s strings is that he uses stiffer strings with less remaining elongation and a good el/re relation. Therefore the tension is very well maintained in his strings and the tension units needs a small travel.

BUT important aspect in his stringing is that he strings at low to very low tensions!!
In this way he combines good playability with minimum loss of tension.
 

Technatic

Semi-Pro
We are interested to know how many of the Stringway users also use:

- The Tension advisor to calculate stringing tensions.

- The SW calculator to "measure" the Swing Weight of the racquet?

And what are the comments.
 

MathieuR

Professional
I use the tension-advisor "always" (I sticker the frames I do with date and used kg's, so when the info is already on it, I use those kilo's)

Most people I string for have "no clue", so I have to decide for them. I (almost) always use DT28 for the calculation, and subtract 2kg from the result. Normally the endresult is 34-35DT. (after a few days ~32).
For o-ports I use the DT28 data.

So I use the tensionadvisor, but I have to blend in my experience; will have to do with my stringing-habits.

swingweight advisor: did not use it for 3-4 years; is a nice tool though.
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
We are interested to know how many of the Stringway users also use:

- The Tension advisor to calculate stringing tensions.

- The SW calculator to "measure" the Swing Weight of the racquet?

And what are the comments.
I use the TA and recommend it a lot. I do not use the SW calculator.
 

Technatic

Semi-Pro
A tennis coach from Aruba bought the MS140L and he send me these pictures of the “inauguration” as he called it.



 

bashley

New User
Thanks for the ML100 vs ML140 comparison document. Looks like there's a typo that ought to be fixed for clarity. The omission of the word "not" in the ML100 sentence addressing calibration.

Doc says:
- The stringer has to check the calibration on the MS140 and adjust it if necessary. The ML100 does need this check.

I'm into my 3rd year of using the ML100. After hundreds of stringings--tennis, badminton, squash, the darn thing still looks brand new, never had a single glitch, happy customer base. As an aside, I've been using the cross stringing tools (tennis only) for a couple of years. Quick, easy, reliable, sturdy, error-free. Occasionally, I won't use these tools deliberately, just to keep the finger-weaving groove from disappearing. But overall I prefer using the Stringway X-stringing tools.
 

Technatic

Semi-Pro
Thank you Bashley for the correction the mistake is corrected.

And of course thank you for the very positive statements about our Machine and cross stringer.

It gives great satisfaction for us that the relationship between users and their Stringway machine is often more than just a user and a technical tool. :D (y)
 
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