Stringway triple flying clamp vs double clamp

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Imren

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So often buying two Stringway flying triple clamps and a single double clamp is recommended, but it seems most just use one of each during stringing. Is this because most of the drawback is "automatically" pulled out anyway on the next main pull due to the Swingway being constant pull? On a Gamma drop weight, the loss in tension will cause the bar the drop when the double clamp is released at the next pull, and so will require more readjustments to compensate on the double clamp side of the racquet. Would it make more sense to use two triple flying clamps on a non-stringway DW? I have a Gamma X-2 and after 30-40 racquets, no amount of cleaning will bring the plastic clamps back to snuff. I know the cost of the Stringway clamps are high compared to my X-2, but my little X-2 is so light and puts away so nicely, I don't want to part with it. One little Rubbermaid tub holds all my stringing equipment and keeps the wife from complaining. During all this downtime, I figured I would treat myself to some decent clamps and tryout the Jaycee/JET method. Thanks for any advice!
 
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You could have the X.2 clamps too loose so they don't grip the string good enough. The Stringway clamps should help but you may end up with the same problem.
 
Thanks for the tip. My Gamma clamps started out excellent and just needed some TLC from time to time. I now have to thoroughly clean them after every other racquet or they visibly slip. It took me a few racquets to get the clamp adjustments down for different gauges, types, and brands; but I am pretty good at it now. The effort to close the clamps without slipping is higher than I ever remember, to the point that I am crushing my polys to control slippage. I typically string between 45 - 50 lbs. Contrary to other comments I have read, the gripper has been going strong with only one major cleaning. For the few racquets I do, I love my X-2. Ironically, I don't even play tennis. I string for my two kids who play on their varsity team. Stringing has become such a fascination hobby, that I sometimes fear I am using my kids as guinea pigs to try out new strings and methods. Between the cost of racquets, shoes, and lessons, I will be stringing on my X-2 for a while longer.
 
I noticed that my strings will also slip if I over-tighten my gamma clamps. I had to back it off a bit for it to grip properly. Seems like there is a sweet spot
 
Plastic parts will tend to bend when pressed too hard into a hard polyesters. You could also try re-dusting the diamond dust as another option to buying metal clamps.
 
I know with the Stringway machine I was looking at (MS200) the tensioner automatically takes up any slack from slipping clamps as they are released; so using a double clamp on one side of the mains and a triple on the other is not as consequential. However, on the X-2, the disparity of slip between the triple and double clamps will require more DW adjustments on one side than the other. Probably better to use the same clamp types on the mains for the X-2.
 
Imren said:
Thanks for the tip. My Gamma clamps started out excellent and just needed some TLC from time to time. I now have to thoroughly clean them after every other racquet or they visibly slip. It took me a few racquets to get the clamp adjustments down for different gauges, types, and brands; but I am pretty good at it now. The effort to close the clamps without slipping is higher than I ever remember, to the point that I am crushing my polys to control slippage. I typically string between 45 - 50 lbs. Contrary to other comments I have read, the gripper has been going strong with only one major cleaning. For the few racquets I do, I love my X-2. Ironically, I don't even play tennis. I string for my two kids who play on their varsity team. Stringing has become such a fascination hobby, that I sometimes fear I am using my kids as guinea pigs to try out new strings and methods. Between the cost of racquets, shoes, and lessons, I will be stringing on my X-2 for a while longer.
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When I was a teen I was a Boy Scout, and used to really get into stuff like this: making Indian regalia, doing leatherwork, woodcraft stuff, etc. Stringing reminds me of all this, where you're kind of doing crafts.
 
Imren said:
I know with the Stringway machine I was looking at (MS200) the tensioner automatically takes up any slack from slipping clamps as they are released; so using a double clamp on one side of the mains and a triple on the other is not as consequential. However, on the X-2, the disparity of slip between the triple and double clamps will require more DW adjustments on one side than the other. Probably better to use the same clamp types on the mains for the X-2.
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Maybe, but can't you just use the triple clamp like a double clamp as well? I think the biggest help the triple will provide is when you get to the main tie offs where the strings are farther apart.

So I just ordered a double and triple today actually so I haven't had a chance to actually use them yet. My question is, pertaining to what I said above, would it make sense to pull one final main and clamp with the triple, tie it off, then pull the other final main, clamp with the triple on the other side and tie it off? Does anyone think there would be tension loss doing it this way?
 
jugheadfla said:
Maybe, but can't you just use the triple clamp like a double clamp as well? I think the biggest help the triple will provide is when you get to the main tie offs where the strings are farther apart.

So I just ordered a double and triple today actually so I haven't had a chance to actually use them yet. My question is, pertaining to what I said above, would it make sense to pull one final main and clamp with the triple, tie it off, then pull the other final main, clamp with the triple on the other side and tie it off? Does anyone think there would be tension loss doing it this way?
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There will always be a bit of tension loss with flying clamps, just got to make sure your consistent with your method. I'm betting you won't be able to tell the difference either way once your hitting with it. ;)
 
I’m trying to order 2 triples and a double but can’t find anyone selling Stringway clamps that delivers to Australia
 
If your using a Gamma X-2 don’t waste your money buying a Stringway double clamp just buy two triple clamps. The triples work much better on the Gamma machine and can do anything the double clamp will do.
 
The picture shows the use of the triple plus the double.
The best option is to use 2 triples, so that you can tension the mains symmatrically.

You need the double, depending on the racquet, for the cross strings in the middle if these are at a small distance from each other.

plyk3u8Jj
 
Silly question to some, but what's the advantage of those double and triple clamps used with a Stringway? Specially with an MS200?
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Stringway Official said:
The picture shows the use of the triple plus the double.
The best option is to use 2 triples, so that you can tension the mains symmatrically.

You need the double, depending on the racquet, for the cross strings in the middle if these are at a small distance from each other.

plyk3u8Jj
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So I received my double and triple clamp yesterday and tried stringing my first racket with it. Love the clamps , but on the side where I used the triple clamp for the mains, it seemed like the tension on those strings were higher than the side I used the double clamp on. Is that normal? Should it make much of a difference?
 
jugheadfla said:
So I received my double and triple clamp yesterday and tried stringing my first racket with it. Love the clamps , but on the side where I used the triple clamp for the mains, it seemed like the tension on those strings were higher than the side I used the double clamp on. Is that normal? Should it make much of a difference?
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Go hit with it, it shouldn't make too much difference.
 
jugheadfla said:
So I received my double and triple clamp yesterday and tried stringing my first racket with it. Love the clamps , but on the side where I used the triple clamp for the mains, it seemed like the tension on those strings were higher than the side I used the double clamp on. Is that normal? Should it make much of a difference?
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The same thing happened to me which led me to buy another triple clamp for even stringing of the mains. In my case the difference was pretty noticeable making my racket lopsided so I had to cut them out.
 
Louis33 said:
The same thing happened to me which led me to buy another triple clamp for even stringing of the mains. In my case the difference was pretty noticeable making my racket lopsided so I had to cut them out.
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Well I guess that proves that the Triple clamps really do make a significant difference preventing drawback
 
Silly question to some, but what's the advantage of those double and triple clamps used with a Stringway? Specially with an MS200?
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@Bloke
I do not think that the double plus the triple offer more advantage to specific machines Stringway or others.

We see 2 types of buyers:

1. Stringers who buy a new Stringway machine and prefer flying clamps over fixed clamps. Because the flying clamps are the same quality as our fixed clamps it is a matter preference.

- Our well known French agent (Jayceeparis of the JET method) only uses flying clamps and only hardly sells machines with fixed clamps.

- German stringers are very convinced of the advantage of fixed clamps and seldom buy machines with flying clamps.

2. Stringers who love their machine but are not satisfied with the fixed or flying clamps of that machine.

Stringway machines with flying clamps can be upgraded later to fixed clamps easily, but very few people do that. This can prove that stringers are satisfied with the flying clamps
 
Just a warning (a good warning actually) for anyone going from the Gamma clamps to the Stringway clamps, you will notice that with the Stringway clamps your DT after your racket is strung will be significantly higher and closer to your reference tension then you may be used to. I have been stringing my rackets with the Gamma clamps for the past 6 months and literally every time I would lose about 4 lbs off of the RT. Yesterday I strung one racket with the Gamma's and one with the Stringways, same exact technique, same tension, same string, same racket...Stringways were less than .5 from the RT where again the Gamma's were 4lbs off. I can vouch for the extremely low amount of drawback that the Stringways provide. Just need to adjust my RT's now so I can be closer to what I am used to.
 
FIRETennis said:
I spoke with a pro stringer that did thousands of frames with metal flying clamps on his Wilson Baiardo and the resulting tension was just as accurate as with the machine's fixed diamond clamps.
I bit the bullet and ordered two clamps and what a HUGE difference compared to the plastic Gamma clamps.
Worth every penny.
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The plastic clamps that came with my Gamma machine are absolutely crap. They started off ok and then slowly degrade in performance.
No amount of cleaning seems to work anymore and I have to tighten them so much that even poly strings get crushed.
I can’t wait for these Stringway clamps.
 
Louis33 said:
If your using a Gamma X-2 don’t waste your money buying a Stringway double clamp just buy two triple clamps. The triples work much better on the Gamma machine and can do anything the double clamp will do.
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@Louis33 Can you quickly describe your technique for starting the mains with 2 triples? I have another triple coming in on Monday and I'm trying to figure out in my head the best way to do this.
 
Just got my triple and double clamps for use with my humble Klippermate. They're a big improvement over the original clamps I have - less pressure is needed to hold the strings, there is less string pullback and deformation, and the clamp strength is much easier to adjust.

For my first racket I used the triple on the last mains on each side before tying off, and as a double clamp for the widely spaced upper and lower crosses on my 16x18 Pro Staff Classic. Good stuff.
 
gazz1 said:
The plastic clamps that came with my Gamma machine are absolutely crap. They started off ok and then slowly degrade in performance.
No amount of cleaning seems to work anymore and I have to tighten them so much that even poly strings get crushed.
I can’t wait for these Stringway clamps.
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My experience exactly.
The metal clamps are so much better but as another poster said, your resulting tension will be higher than before and much closer to the reference tension pulled.
You should account for that in your stringing.
 
jugheadfla said:
@Louis33 Can you quickly describe your technique for starting the mains with 2 triples? I have another triple coming in on Monday and I'm trying to figure out in my head the best way to do this.
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I always string 2 piece so for starting the mains I first clamp in the middle of the two center mains staggering the first triple clamp then with the other triple clamp I string 3-4 mains on a side always clamping three strings then I move back to the middle main and tension then clamp three strings and progress down that side. Same method as the gamma clamps.
 
Louis33 said:
I always string 2 piece so for starting the mains I first clamp in the middle of the two center mains staggering the first triple clamp then with the other triple clamp I string 3-4 mains on a side always clamping three strings then I move back to the middle main and tension then clamp three strings and progress down that side. Same method as the gamma clamps.
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I seem to be running into an issue with tensioning the first mains properly. My only difference from what you are doing is that I am using a starting clamp. I start by tensioning 1R while having the starting clamp on the 1L. I stagger a triple clamp on the 2 mains, then I tension 2R clamping 3 strings, then out to 4R the same way, Then I come back and tension 1L, remove the starting clamp, then clamp 1L, 1R, and 2R together, then out to 5L and so on. It seems like because I held with only 2 strings for 1R and 3 strings for 1L that they are off. I'm wondering If I should just use a double to tension 1R and 1L and then just use the triple for all the rest. I'm going to try that out and see how that goes. I'm still getting used to these stringway clamps, can't seem to consistently get all the mains tensioned properly.
 
Although the idea of SW flying clamps is good, but as a skeptic, I would love to see if anyone use StringMeter to measure say 16 mains and 19 cross strings on 3 sticks, 1 with fixed clamps, 2 with SW flying clamps, and 3 with Gamma flying clamps.
I guess conceptually I still am not certain using flying clamp can achieve as even tension across the center 6 main strings as say fixed clamps. But again, there are multiple ways people start using flying clamps and with fixed clamps. I am just curious and love to have data to back up the claims.
 
tennisbike said:
Although the idea of SW flying clamps is good, but as a skeptic, I would love to see if anyone use StringMeter to measure say 16 mains and 19 cross strings on 3 sticks, 1 with fixed clamps, 2 with SW flying clamps, and 3 with Gamma flying clamps.
I guess conceptually I still am not certain using flying clamp can achieve as even tension across the center 6 main strings as say fixed clamps. But again, there are multiple ways people start using flying clamps and with fixed clamps. I am just curious and love to have data to back up the claims.
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There is a stringer that did this. He compared metal flying clamps with a Wilson Baiardo fixed clamps using a Stringmeter and an RDC.

"The results, as measured by a Babolat Racquet Diagnostic Center (RDC) and a Stringmeter, consistently show stringing with the Claws produce results nearly identical to the fixed clamps. While RDC stringbed stiffness results off the machine are identical, there is a slight variance when measured at 24 hours off the machine. Here’s the interesting part…the fixed clamps often show a steeper drop in stringbed stiffness after 24 hours than the Claws. Also the Stringmeter reveals greater tension consistency across the stringbed in the mains when measuring racquets strung with the Pro Stringer Claws vs. fixed clamps"
 
FIRETennis said:
There is a stringer that did this. He compared metal flying clamps with a Wilson Baiardo fixed clamps using a Stringmeter and an RDC.

"The results, as measured by a Babolat Racquet Diagnostic Center (RDC) and a Stringmeter, consistently show stringing with the Claws produce results nearly identical to the fixed clamps. While RDC stringbed stiffness results off the machine are identical, there is a slight variance when measured at 24 hours off the machine. Here’s the interesting part…the fixed clamps often show a steeper drop in stringbed stiffness after 24 hours than the Claws. Also the Stringmeter reveals greater tension consistency across the stringbed in the mains when measuring racquets strung with the Pro Stringer Claws vs. fixed clamps"
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Thank you for the quote.
The next questions is how does the Claws creates a string bed having with less steeper drop in stiffness than fixed clamps. I want to examine that in my head.
And may I add, the effect of double and triple on either side of mains.. how does that look with StringMeter measurement.
 
@FIRETennis there was a stringer? Who? Is there a video?

@tennisbike how do the Pro Stringer Claws out preform fixed clamps? That would depend on the fixed clamps, clamp bases, how clean the clamps are, how clean the bases are, and how they’re adjusted.
 
Yes I’ve seen their write up. BTW they‘re out of business now because of COVID-19 I’ve heard.
 
Irvin said:
Yes I’ve seen their write up. BTW they‘re out of business now because of COVID-19 I’ve heard.
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Out of business, really? Here is the link I just found about the Claws.
That is too bad. I learned much about low tension poly, JayCee and JET method from the blogs. There is some product pushing, but still found it pretty informative, most of it.
 
tennisbike said:
Out of business, really? Here is the link I just found about the Claws.
That is too bad. I learned much about low tension poly, JayCee and JET method from the blogs. There is some product pushing, but still found it pretty informative, most of it.
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They’re still posting blogs I believe but their store is or was temporarily closed for Business.
 
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We never stopped playing down here in Florida. One of the clubs never shut down so we kept going. I think its been somewhat proven that tennis is a rather safe sport to play in these times as long as you follow distancing rules.
 
Louis33 said:
If your using a Gamma X-2 don’t waste your money buying a Stringway double clamp just buy two triple clamps. The triples work much better on the Gamma machine and can do anything the double clamp will do.
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Well the Stringway clamps made a BIG difference. I’m very happy with the results.
I have needed to drop the tension by 4-5 lbs to get the same stringbed stiffness.
 
jugheadfla said:
I seem to be running into an issue with tensioning the first mains properly. My only difference from what you are doing is that I am using a starting clamp. I start by tensioning 1R while having the starting clamp on the 1L. I stagger a triple clamp on the 2 mains, then I tension 2R clamping 3 strings, then out to 4R the same way, Then I come back and tension 1L, remove the starting clamp, then clamp 1L, 1R, and 2R together, then out to 5L and so on. It seems like because I held with only 2 strings for 1R and 3 strings for 1L that they are off. I'm wondering If I should just use a double to tension 1R and 1L and then just use the triple for all the rest. I'm going to try that out and see how that goes. I'm still getting used to these stringway clamps, can't seem to consistently get all the mains tensioned properly.
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I just purchased a Stringway ML 100 with flying clamps and I'm interested in the best approach for achieving consistent stringbed stiffness. I'd be interested to know if you had better success using a double to tension 1R and 1L and then a triple for the rest as you mentioned. Based on your experience, would you recommend this approach?
 
mgervase said:
I just purchased a Stringway ML 100 with flying clamps and I'm interested in the best approach for achieving consistent stringbed stiffness. I'd be interested to know if you had better success using a double to tension 1R and 1L and then a triple for the rest as you mentioned. Based on your experience, would you recommend this approach?
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I am still tinkering with my routine, but so far pulling 1R and 1L while using a double clamp has had the best results. My current routine is to put a starting clamp on 1L, pull 1R clamp 1L and 1R with a double. Pull 2R, triple clamp 2R 1R and 1L.....and so on out to 4R. I then go back and pull 1L, remove the starting clamp and double and then put the double back on once I get to the proper tension. Then pull 2L, remove the double and start using the triple for the rest. Its not perfect, but it is working well so far.
 
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