Super Bulky Starting Knot

am1899

Hall of Fame
MRT friend of mine shared this with me, so I thought I would pass it on. It is more bulky than any starting knot I've ever tried. It's basically a double half hitch, then the tail goes through both loops of each half hitch towards the head of the racquet. Knot must be tightened in two steps - the half hitch closest to the head first, then cinch the second half hitch by pulling the short tail. Any questions feel free to ask.



Edit - please excuse the crude drawing
 

gkamieneski

Semi-Pro
Looks to me like it would be tough to tie right with the final end of it facing back down towards the frame. Can't say I see an advantage to it. Back to the starting clamp.
 

am1899

Hall of Fame
Not really, so long as it's cinched in 2 steps as I mentioned. IMO having the tail end going back towards the head is desirable for aesthetics.
 

struggle

Legend
Since the second half hitch is behind the first, how is this effectively bulkier than a pro knot in respect to the grommet in question?

Thanks. Just curious as I use a starting clamp.
 

Power Player

Bionic Poster
I do this exact knot and have been for months. It is highly effective.

advtanges for me -

- faster. It is a lot faster to tie this knot and move on then doubling back with a clamp, removing a starting clamp and then attempting to tie a knot with very limited space using my stringer (string way)

- cleaner. As stated, the string goes back to the head and as a result the finish is very clean looking.

- Reliable. This knot is large so while it does press against your grommet, it does not risk sliding through. You will not lose tension or have any slippage.
 

am1899

Hall of Fame
Since the second half hitch is behind the first, how is this effectively bulkier than a pro knot in respect to the grommet in question?

Thanks. Just curious as I use a starting clamp.
Not really sure I can explain why it's bulkier. For starters, the pro knot is only a half hitch with the tail going through it...this is a double half hitch...so that in and of itself would make the knot bulkier. Besides that?

Agree with power player's points also.
 

Will Wilson

Semi-Pro
I am interested in this as I just had a knot slip through the grommet as I don't have a starting clamp.

My question is, if you tighten the two halves in two steps, how do you get the tail back through the first loop as you've already tightened it? I am obviously missing something.....

Thanks for this as it will help me greatly.
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
I am interested in this as I just had a knot slip through the grommet as I don't have a starting clamp.

My question is, if you tighten the two halves in two steps, how do you get the tail back through the first loop as you've already tightened it? I am obviously missing something.....

Thanks for this as it will help me greatly.
You will have to completely tie the knot before you tighten it up meaning it is going to require more string. What type of knot are you using that slips through the grommet?
 

Will Wilson

Semi-Pro
You will have to completely tie the knot before you tighten it up meaning it is going to require more string. What type of knot are you using that slips through the grommet?
Regular double half hitch. Part of the problem is 18g mains and 17g crosses. I still don't understand how that tail gets back through the first loop if you've already tightened the first loop.
 

Jerry Seinfeld

Professional
The surgeons knot is the least bulky we use. The knot in the image is known to us as a fisherman's knot and it makes an awesome starting knot because it is bulky and you can pull tension directly on it if you choose with no worries about it pulling through.
 

am1899

Hall of Fame
I am interested in this as I just had a knot slip through the grommet as I don't have a starting clamp.

My question is, if you tighten the two halves in two steps, how do you get the tail back through the first loop as you've already tightened it? I am obviously missing something.....

Thanks for this as it will help me greatly.
You put the tail through both loops before anything is tightened:

1. Tie double half hitch - leave it loose, do not tighten anything.
2. Grab the loop of both half hitches with a finger. I try to put them together, one on top of the other. Then put the tail end of the string through both loops. Hold on to the tail for a sec, as it will try to come out - until you start step 3.
3. Grab "other side" of the string and pull - that is, grab the part of the string on the other side of the head of the racquet - the side you are eventually going to put in the tension head. Pull it as tight as you can by hand. This will cinch the 1st half hitch (the one closest to the grommet) up against the grommet.
4. Pull the tail tight - this will cinch up the 2nd half hitch
5. Pull full tension against knot
 
This knot is a double half hitch with the string coming back through. What you want as a starting knot is similar to this, but it isn't two half hitches. It is a figure 8 knot or a "fishing knot". You do two loops and then back through, but the loops do knot form half hitches. This prevents too much stress on the string. This starting knot is also nice, as you can just add an extra loop for really thin strings. I have a video on this I can post.
 

am1899

Hall of Fame
^^ Yup that's the one I used to use. Frankly I think this other one comes out bulkier FWIW.

Anyway just thought I would share this as another option. Beats tying a double half hitch (didn't know how to tie anything else as a beginner) and watching it pull through the grommet.
 
This actually wasn't intended as a starting knot. It is actually the USRSA recommended tie off knot. It works OK as a starting knot, but I am not a fan of it for some strings. I use the knot in this video. I think the guy actually starts tying the knot at around the 3:00 mark. If you do use this pretzel tie off knot as a starting knot, then you can also use it as a tie off knot and every knot will be the same.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ts_vXF8guoI&list=UU2CslIVb0E6OyhF-59TD_PQ
 

am1899

Hall of Fame
^^ This knot has one drawback for me - the tail end goes away from the frame. I'm not a fan of how it looks, but it works fine.
 
^^ This knot has one drawback for me - the tail end goes away from the frame. I'm not a fan of how it looks, but it works fine.
It is actually a lot "easier" on the string. And that can be demonstrated by how easily the knot can be moved down the string. For natural gut, I probably wouldn't use the tie off pretzel knot. But still, it is very rare to have a knot put so much force on the anchor string that it breaks. When you first cinch up the knot, the tail does point with the string. But, for most strings, you can actually take the tail and smooth it out and bend it to the side. Another benefit to this knot, is you can just add another loop for thinner strings ( you can add a third loop anyway, and it really gives it some bulk and sits up very nice against the grommet)

I actually used to use the bulky knot/USRSA tie off knot for my tie offs a long time ago, but for some strings, the knot wouldn't look "cinched up" . It was totally fine but if you looked close at it, it didn't look as tight as other tie off knots. As long as the knot does its function, that is all that matters.
 
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